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[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...

Onyx why do you keep posting incomplete sentences? I do not know what they mean...

Must I?  Really?

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[Nightwriter]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Onyx why do you keep posting incomplete sentences? I do not know what they mean...

Must I?  Really?

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Heavy Risk...

[jlb524]

*senses priiiiize meme on the horizon*



This was a good thread and now it's dooomed!

[DarthCaine]

I'm tired of people whining about people that whine about characters whining!

[enormousmoonboots]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

On-topic, my definition of whining goes something like [(unrealistic expectations + inflated sense of self-importance) x how often you're forced to listen to it]/skill of voice actor.

VA skill is on a scale of 0-1 (consider eloquence and comprehensibility as an alternative for non-voice-acted mediums), and how often you're forced to listen is not optional conversations, it's stuff in cutscenes that you must watch to see the game progress.

So I don't really consider any of the Mass Effect characters whiny. Dull, yes. Whiny, no.

[jlb524]

No one character in ME really whines so people need to stop whining about it so others will stop whining about their whining about it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

jlb524 wrote...

No one character in ME really whines so people need to stop whining about it so others will stop whining about their whining about it.

[Nightwriter]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

On-topic, my definition of whining goes something like [(unrealistic expectations + inflated sense of self-importance) x how often you're forced to listen to it]/skill of voice actor.

I approve of this formula.

[8erserker]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. That whole "Now they're dead. Shows what I know" line really irks me and just made his whole character uncharacteristically emo. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

Modifié par Jorran Khaar, 16 avril 2010 - 09:11 .

[jlb524]

Applying enormousmoonboots' formula, no one whines. Not Jack, not Kaidan, not Thane, not anyone else.



I'm glad we have reached this conclusion. This thread has proved productive against the forces of whining about whining.

[GodWood]

What's the actual definition of emo?

[Ray Joel Oh]

I think complaints about whining just reflect how little some people care about some characters. All the issues they deal with are pretty danged big deals, and you'd have to be pretty monstrous to blow them off for feeling bad about them in real life. I don't think that's necessarily the fault of the characters, just an indication of how people feel about them. And I do think male characters get a shorter amount of leeway for feeling bad about their terrible situations, for whatever reason.  It's pretty unfair.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 16 avril 2010 - 09:15 .

[8erserker]

GodWood wrote...

What's the actual definition of emo?

Basically being a drama queen.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. That whole "Now they're dead. Shows what I know" line really irks me and just made his whole character uncharacteristically emo. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

Garrus ME 2 = Alistair except Garrus ends up being a bit more rational than Alistair ends up (Spoilers for DA, you know what I'm talking about)

[sonsonthebia07]

I've had it with these goddamn snakes on this goddamn plane!

GodWood wrote...

What's the actual definition of emo?

Vampires-in-training. That's just my short-sighted view.

[8erserker]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. That whole "Now they're dead. Shows what I know" line really irks me and just made his whole character uncharacteristically emo. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

Garrus ME 2 = Alistair except Garrus ends up being a bit more rational than Alistair ends up (Spoilers for DA, you know what I'm talking about)

I've never played DA. What's Alistair like?

[Nightwriter]

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm tired of people whining about people that whine about characters whining!

(I secretly created this thread to create a never ending chain of whining).


See, first characters “whine”.

Then people whine about the “whining”.

Then I whine about the people whining about whining.

Then you whine about my whining about people whining about whining.

Then others whine about your whining about my whining about people whining about whining.

End result: we’re all whiners.

IT’S MAGIC.

[enormousmoonboots]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

Sulking? Seriously? He's a little subdued because the only people he's had non-murderous interactions with for the past two years all just died, indirectly because of him, and he was sitting practically on top of their bodies for two days. You'd be a ray of sunshine after that?

And I honestly have no idea where you're getting sulking, because the very first thing he does after getting his face duct-taped back together is go see you and make jokes.

Are you just unaware of the meanings of the words 'emo' and 'confident'?

[Sesshomaru47]

When did Kaidan complain about anything?

[Ray Joel Oh]

Jorran Khaar wrote...
I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. That whole "Now they're dead. Shows what I know" line really irks me and just made his whole character uncharacteristically emo. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

So he should just be "Welp, sucks for them!  Let's go to the suicide mission, new team!"

The change in his emotional state from before and after the loyalty mission gave more weight to its importance, imho.  He's not still kicking himself afterwards.  Though unfortunately you don't get a very good sense of that with MaleSheps since he runs out of things to say so quickly. :c

[8erserker]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Sulking? Seriously? He's a little subdued because the only people he's had non-murderous interactions with for the past two years all just died, indirectly because of him, and he was sitting practically on top of their bodies for two days. You'd be a ray of sunshine after that?

And I honestly have no idea where you're getting sulking, because the very first thing he does after getting his face duct-taped back together is go see you and make jokes.

Are you just unaware of the meanings of the words 'emo' and 'confident'?

Yea, I know. I edited the post because I realized that too. And I believe I know what the words mean, yes. It's not an opinion you share, but it is not a new opinion either. Chill-ax.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

So he should just be "Welp, sucks for them!  Let's go to the suicide mission, new team!"

No way. I'd say that's TOO callous. Somewhere in between...

Modifié par Jorran Khaar, 16 avril 2010 - 09:18 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Garrus was too emo. He really should learn some confidence. And Thane's too kick-ass to be affected by any whining.

Yeah, he's such a wimp. He'd never be the kind of guy who would go off the grid and raise a vigilante team in the ass hole of the galaxy. Definitely not the type to respond to injustice with physical violence and anger to the point of obsession.

I don't think he's a wimp. But I do think he lacks confidence in his conversations with Shep. That whole "Now they're dead. Shows what I know" line really irks me and just made his whole character uncharacteristically emo. Team's dead. Sulking's unprofessional for someone who's as cool as Garrus.

Garrus ME 2 = Alistair except Garrus ends up being a bit more rational than Alistair ends up (Spoilers for DA, you know what I'm talking about)

I've never played DA. What's Alistair like?

Italics = spoiler

"Fairly similar situation except Alistair wasn't in charge.  Also Alistair is very sarcastic but a little bit unstable emotionally compared to Garrus.  So personality wise they aren't that similar but the situation and how it affected them is.

[Nightwriter]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

I've never played DA. What's Alistair like?

I loved Alistair. My female character always romanced him.

People say he whined, but I've never thought so. I found him hilarious, sweet, and romantic. He grieved over Duncan (his mentor) like a real person, it's true, and didn't get over it quickly, but his voice actor carried off his character so well for me this felt completely realistic and even gave his character new depth for me.

It's all really down to opinion.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Alistair is willing to show a lot more vulnerability than Garrus. And consequently, Alistair gets called a whiner a lot more than Garrus, too. Though again, it's something that is better balanced out with happier conversations if you're playing female Warden/female Shepard.

[DrAbysmal]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

When did Kaidan complain about anything?

Kaidan literally says he doesn't want to be a whiner, and that he's moved on from the past and is focused on the mission (this is why the parallel with Jacob is drawn so much, because Jacob basically doesn't say anything about his past ever). Shepard has to keep questioning him about it before he opens up. It doesn't seem like an experience he was particularly proud of, you force him to tell you about it, and then you call him a whiner.