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[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

There is more continuity between ME 1 and ME 2 than Awakenings. Awakenings is pretty much a spinoff and its a bloody expansion pack.

I agree with Onyx.

I think everyone here needs to realize just how rushed Awakening was (name another game that had an expansion released less than four months after the original game...) Dragon Age can't be compared to Mass Effect in regard to its expansion.

There is almost no continuity in Dragon Age. It's as if the writers of Dragon Age saw all the trouble the Mass Effect writers were going through maintaining Shepard and the other characters throughout a trilogy and just scrapped the idea of carrying over decisions.

Also, I FORGOT WHAT WE WERE ALL ARGUING ABOUT.

Modifié par Ecael, 17 avril 2010 - 02:09 .

[kraidy1117]

Azint wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Funny, when I worked for Cerberus I just defeted the Collectors, did not givet he base and told TIM to **** off and quit. Why is it that people try so hard to make it that no one will return from ME2...........

On the other hand; why do people try so hard to make it that people will return from ME2?

We are not the writers here.

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

[JeanLuc761]

Yeled wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Also ignoring the fact that the council supports you even while you work for Cerberus (if you let them.)

But, your point does stand, ANYONE can be written out if Bioware really wants to do it.  I just doubt they can be written out realistically.

Right.  The key word is "realistically."  It seems to me BioWare doesn't much care about that if they have a mind to ignore it.

Indeed.

I thought the ME1 LI's were written out fairly well (especially Ashley/Kaiden's, which actually made a ton of sense right off the bat), but I still think there was more to be explored there.  Liara's though...man if you miss that one dialogue option it makes almost zero sense as to why she can't come with you.

**** the Shadow Broker, total eradication of all sentient life is a tad more important Liara!

[NICKjnp]

I don't mind... it keeps them alive until the next game.

[Yeled]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

My Shepard quit Cerberus, nice try.

Hmm.  I must have missed that option.  Because I got railroaded into working with them until after the mission was over.  Only then could I quit.

In my book that means I worked with them, just like if you were a spy for five years and then quit, you'd still have been a spy.  You must have gotten a better copy of the game than I did.

*shakes head*

Funny, when I worked for Cerberus I just defeted the Collectors, did not givet he base and told TIM to **** off and quit. Why is it that people try so hard to make it that no one will return from ME2...........

I'm not trying to make no one return.  I'm fine if they do.  I'm just saying BioWare will do what it wants, and can come up with any scenario it wants. I thought much the same way you did after ME1.  I've learned my lesson.  For some reason you don't see that they've already done exactly what you fear they will do in ME3.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Bioware pulls that ME3 will sell poorly. I sure as hell won't be buying the game, so will alot of people. Also Bioware will lose alot of resepct if they did this.

Will you seriously not buy the game or are you just saying that?  I bet a lot of the more vocal people on these boards that are really concerned about this won't be buying the game, but the majority of ME gamers, the average Joes and Janes that play and don't come here, will still buy it.  They might be bummed someone's a cameo but they won't care.

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wrong, they said ME2 was the empire strikes back of video games, not the temple of doom of video games.

They've probably said both.  However, in the thread on the old forums, a dev likened ME to 'Indiana Jones' and not 'Star Wars' in order to quell those upset over the ME1 LIs getting a cameo in ME2. 

I think it was the media that likened ME2 to 'Empire Strikes Back' but a BW dev stated that 'Indiana Jones' or 'James Bond' was a better analogy. 

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Azint wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Funny, when I worked for Cerberus I just defeted the Collectors, did not givet he base and told TIM to **** off and quit. Why is it that people try so hard to make it that no one will return from ME2...........

On the other hand; why do people try so hard to make it that people will return from ME2?

We are not the writers here.

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

There is more continuity between ME 1 and ME 2 than Awakenings. Awakenings is pretty much a spinoff and its a bloody expansion pack.

I agree with Onyx.

I think everyone here needs to realize just how rushed Awakening was (name another game that had an expansion released less than four months after the original game...) Dragon Age can't be compared to Mass Effect in regard to its expansion.

There is almost no continuity in Dragon Age. It's as if the writers of Dragon Age saw all the trouble the Mass Effect writers were going through maintaining Shepard and the other characters throughout a trilogy and just scrapped the idea of carrying over decisions.

Also, I FORGOT WHAT WE WERE ALL ARGUING ABOUT.

I will agree with you agreeing with me and the rest of those statements are pretty much the same way I feel.

Also sorry for derailng the thread!

I could go into more about LI's from ME1 to ME2 compared to DA:O to DA:A but that would result in spoilers.  

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

There is more continuity between ME 1 and ME 2 than Awakenings. Awakenings is pretty much a spinoff and its a bloody expansion pack.

I agree with Onyx.

I think everyone here needs to realize just how rushed Awakening was (name another game that had an expansion released less than four months after the original game...) Dragon Age can't be compared to Mass Effect in regard to its expansion.

There is almost no continuity in Dragon Age. It's as if the writers of Dragon Age saw all the trouble the Mass Effect writers were going through maintaining Shepard and the other characters throughout a trilogy and just scrapped the idea of carrying over decisions.

Also, I FORGOT WHAT WE WERE ALL ARGUING ABOUT.

I will agree with you agreeing with me and the rest of those statements are pretty much the same way I feel.

Also sorry for derailng the thread!

I could go into more about LI's from ME1 to ME2 compared to DA:O to DA:A but that would result in spoilers.

I agree with our agreement of you agreeing with me and me agreeing with you, and I find you quite agreeable.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Bioware pulls that ME3 will sell poorly. I sure as hell won't be buying the game, so will alot of people. Also Bioware will lose alot of resepct if they did this.

Will you seriously not buy the game or are you just saying that?  I bet a lot of the more vocal people on these boards that are really concerned about this won't be buying the game, but the majority of ME gamers, the average Joes and Janes that play and don't come here, will still buy it.  They might be bummed someone's a cameo but they won't care.

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wrong, they said ME2 was the empire strikes back of video games, not the temple of doom of video games.

They've probably said both.  However, in the thread on the old forums, a dev likened ME to 'Indiana Jones' and not 'Star Wars' in order to quell those upset over the ME1 LIs getting a cameo in ME2. 

I think it was the media that likened ME2 to 'Empire Strikes Back' but a BW dev stated that 'Indiana Jones' or 'James Bond' was a better analogy. 

Thats one dev, where Casey and Ray both said empire strikes back.

As for me not buyinmg it. I will not buy it. Sorry but Bioware pulling that crap with ME3 is telling me ME2 was a big waste of time and the connections I made with the charatcers was for nothing.

[Azint]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

I am analyzing this at the point of a writer. And my point still stands that writing out any of these characters-- especailly those from Mass Effect 2-- will be a poor decision because so much emphasis was put on them.

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Azint wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Funny, when I worked for Cerberus I just defeted the Collectors, did not givet he base and told TIM to **** off and quit. Why is it that people try so hard to make it that no one will return from ME2...........

On the other hand; why do people try so hard to make it that people will return from ME2?

We are not the writers here.

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

I don't bring that up in arguments tho Ecal. I look at the thing that both Bioware and EA care about, profit.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Thats one dev, where Casey and Ray both said empire strikes back.

As for me not buyinmg it. I will not buy it. Sorry but Bioware pulling that crap with ME3 is telling me ME2 was a big waste of time and the connections I made with the charatcers was for nothing.

Well, it seems they compare it to 'Star Wars' when it's convenient and 'Indiana Jones' when it's convenient. 

I honestly won't buy the game either if they ME1 LIs get another pointless crap cameo.  I know this won't make much of a difference to BW, as most people will still buy the game, even if disappointed.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Thats one dev, where Casey and Ray both said empire strikes back.

As for me not buyinmg it. I will not buy it. Sorry but Bioware pulling that crap with ME3 is telling me ME2 was a big waste of time and the connections I made with the charatcers was for nothing.

Well, it seems they compare it to 'Star Wars' when it's convenient and 'Indiana Jones' when it's convenient. 

I honestly won't buy the game either if they ME1 LIs get another pointless crap cameo.  I know this won't make much of a difference to BW, as most people will still buy the game, even if disappointed.

Some will but biowares rep will be damaged big time and profit will not be that good and the one thing EA likes is profit.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Some will but biowares rep will be damaged big time and profit will not be that good and the one thing EA likes is profit.

I doubt it.  Most gamers aren't going to drop ME at the final act and never find out what happened to their Shepard or the ME characters and what happened with the Reapers, etc.

As far as it damaging their image, they have marketing spinsters to handle that.  I think they'll be fine.

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

I don't bring that up in arguments tho Ecal. I look at the thing that both Bioware and EA care about, profit.

That's not what the writers care about, though. I don't think they get huge bonuses for writing about a character a certain way. Plus, your signature still suggests some bias on your part.

These threads keep turning into people defending characters they like and attacking characters they don't. I just want to know why the story was so poorly written for certain characters.

I couldn't care less if all 17 squadmates and the Normandy crew/AI became minor cameos in Mass Effect 3 -- as long as they gave good reasons for each and every one of them (and focused on the main plot). I wouldn't care if all 17 became squadmates either. Most people here can't honestly say that about themselves, on the other hand.

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Because unlike some people here who act on love for there characters or stuff, I am looking at a buisness point of view and profit.

I don't bring that up in arguments tho Ecal. I look at the thing that both Bioware and EA care about, profit.

That's not what the writers care about, though. I don't think they get huge bonuses for writing about a character a certain way. Plus, your signature still suggests some bias on your part.

These threads keep turning into people defending characters they like and attacking characters they don't. I just want to know why the story was so poorly written for certain characters.

I couldn't care less if all 17 squadmates and the Normandy crew/AI became minor cameos in Mass Effect 3 -- as long as they gave good reasons for each and every one of them (and focused on the main plot). I wouldn't care if all 17 became squadmates either. Most people here can't honestly say that about themselves, on the other hand.

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

I never said one character deserved closure over the other. I'd prefer that all of them get some amount of closure. At the same time I wouldn't care of none of them did, either. After all, I haven't completed any of the romances in ME1 or ME2 to care enough about any of them.

When I talk about whether characters will return or not, I don't take the fact that they can be romanced into consideration. BioWare treats romances like side missions, except some side missions actually take more time to complete. Romances aren't essential to the main plot nor do they affect any part of the game outside the Normandy. It's been that way for the last two games.

Modifié par Ecael, 17 avril 2010 - 02:32 .

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

I never said one character deserved closure over the other. I'd prefer that all of them get some amount of closure. At the same time I wouldn't care of none of them did, either. After all, I haven't completed any of the romances in ME1 or ME2 to care enough about any of them.

When I talk about whether characters will return or not, I don't take the fact that they can be romanced into consideration. BioWare treats romances like side missions, except some side missions actually take more time to complete. Romances aren't essential to the main plot nor do they affect any part of the game outside the Normandy. It's been that way for the last two games.

But if liara, Kaidan or Ash are able to be on your team then Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Thane and Jacob will also need to be recruitable. Bioware has something big planed for Liara, shes the only character who can not die and has played a bigger part out of the games.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

The ME2 LIs could get closure an not be squad mates.  The squad mate thing isn't a necessity. 

This would work for the ME1 LIs as well.  All romances could get closure with none of them being in your squad.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

The ME2 LIs could get closure an not be squad mates.  The squad mate thing isn't a necessity. 

This would work for the ME1 LIs as well.  All romances could get closure with none of them being in your squad.

I don't want to beat the Reapers with a bunch of no bodiues at my side. I want Miranda and Garrus at my side.

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

The ME2 LIs could get closure an not be squad mates.  The squad mate thing isn't a necessity. 

This would work for the ME1 LIs as well.  All romances could get closure with none of them being in your squad.

I don't want to beat the Reapers with a bunch of no bodiues at my side. I want Miranda and Garrus at my side.

I agree, but jlb is indeed right.  Closure doesn't necessarily have to be with a squadmate.  

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

I never said one character deserved closure over the other. I'd prefer that all of them get some amount of closure. At the same time I wouldn't care of none of them did, either. After all, I haven't completed any of the romances in ME1 or ME2 to care enough about any of them.

When I talk about whether characters will return or not, I don't take the fact that they can be romanced into consideration. BioWare treats romances like side missions, except some side missions actually take more time to complete. Romances aren't essential to the main plot nor do they affect any part of the game outside the Normandy. It's been that way for the last two games.

But if liara, Kaidan or Ash are able to be on your team then Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Thane and Jacob will also need to be recruitable. Bioware has something big planed for Liara, shes the only character who can not die and has played a bigger part out of the games.

BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

The ME2 LIs could get closure an not be squad mates.  The squad mate thing isn't a necessity. 

This would work for the ME1 LIs as well.  All romances could get closure with none of them being in your squad.

I don't want to beat the Reapers with a bunch of no bodiues at my side. I want Miranda and Garrus at my side.

I agree, but jlb is indeed right.  Closure doesn't necessarily have to be with a squadmate.  

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why because i want my LI from ME2 to come back? I think people who had LI want them to be in ME3 since it's you know, the last act in the trilogy and we need closure. Why should Liara, Ash and Kaiden get closure (which most likely they will) yet Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack and Thane don't?

I never said one character deserved closure over the other. I'd prefer that all of them get some amount of closure. At the same time I wouldn't care of none of them did, either. After all, I haven't completed any of the romances in ME1 or ME2 to care enough about any of them.

When I talk about whether characters will return or not, I don't take the fact that they can be romanced into consideration. BioWare treats romances like side missions, except some side missions actually take more time to complete. Romances aren't essential to the main plot nor do they affect any part of the game outside the Normandy. It's been that way for the last two games.

But if liara, Kaidan or Ash are able to be on your team then Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Thane and Jacob will also need to be recruitable. Bioware has something big planed for Liara, shes the only character who can not die and has played a bigger part out of the games.

BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

I hope we get to kill TIM in ME3.................