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[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

I'm not saying it's smart; in fact, it's probably the absolute worst thing Bioware could ever hope to do.

But it is possible.

[Onyx Jaguar]

[quote]Ecael wrote...[quote]Some one whom I don't remember wrote...


But if liara, Kaidan or Ash are able to be on your team then Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Thane and Jacob will also need to be recruitable. Bioware has something big planed for Liara, shes the only character who can not die and has played a bigger part out of the games.[/quote]
BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.[/quote][/quote]

How on Earth does this happen...

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 17 avril 2010 - 02:44 .

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

That's Dragon Age 2 for you...

[kraidy1117]

My name is Bioware and I am going to waste more money on new VAs for new squadmates in ME3 that no one will probaly like and will not get closure. We could save money by just using old characters from ME and ME2, but lets just use more of our money and ****** off fans!!!!

[KotOREffecT]

I thought they handled Ash/Kaiden well. That scene with Ash, and then the follow up love letter was touching and really meant something. She was just standing her ground and prolly thought Shep turned on her and the Alliance, in way, he kinda can. I think both sides(the council and Shep/Cerberus) think one another is turning on them or the cause to stop the Reapers. Shep is just tired of the bs dismissing, and when Ash stood her ground on Horizon, I told her Cerberus was right because they are taking a stand unlike the Council.



So with that, I think bioware captured the scene right, and it made it a bit more darker for Sheps that romanced her or Kaiden. Because as Shep, we assume they turn their backs on us, but they really dont, and I'm sure we'll be seeing more of them in ME 3 for the conclusion. It made for some good drama I thought..

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

That's Dragon Age 2 for you...

DAO2 is not part of a trilogy............

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

How on Earth does this happen...

The holograms require that the character be present in the zone. Thus, the Illusive Man's room is located inside the Normandy, but is completely inaccessible. Using a noclip mod allows you to reach him.

(EDIT: I'm actually using the word actually too often, actually...)

Modifié par Ecael, 17 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[JeanLuc761]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

That's Dragon Age 2 for you...

Out of curiosity, since I haven't been paying ANY attention:  Has Bioware marketed Dragon Age as a "continuity series" like Mass Effect?

If not, then doing it in DA2 kinda makes sense.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

It could happen.  Garrus and Miranda could be there fighting in the final battle and doing their part but it just happens outside of your squad and you see the action during cutscenes.

I don't think the ME2 people will walk off and do their own thing like the ME1 people did (which was completely ridiculous, IMO).   If alive, they will help you in some way against the Reapers. They may aid you in other ways that do not involve joining you, though.   Some may very well join you, but I don't expect all of them to.

Modifié par jlb524, 17 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

That's Dragon Age 2 for you...

DAO2 is not part of a trilogy............

And rightfully so. The writers don't want to go through all the trouble that the lead writers of Mass Effect are.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So we will get rid of this band of badass's and get a bunch of new guys who will not get any closure during the big battle.................

Ya thats so smart <_<

That's Dragon Age 2 for you...

Well the difference between Dragon Age and Mass Effect is that DA:O was a complete story more or less.  Mass Effect kind of leans on its two prospective sequels.  But other than that yes.  From a realistic perspective I would only expect a few characters to make the transition in a fashion that would make people happy.  I would hope that they would all make the transition.  But other than that I ultimately do not care if they make the transition as that is not really the reason I play the ME games.  I like the characters but not having them doesn't break the game for me.  In other words I pretty much would have said the exact same thing you did on a previous post to Kraidy.  So yeah.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

How on Earth does this happen...

The holograms require that the character actually be present in the zone. Thus, the Illusive Man's room is actually located inside the Normandy, but is completely inaccessible. Using a noclip mod allows you to reach him.

Fantastic! 

Are there any  rendered rooms that were left inside the Normandy that weren't implimented in game?

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

BioWare hasn't said whether any of those will be on Shepard's team, so you can't say which one deserves to come back because the other does. The Illusive Man gives you quests just like Liara in ME2, plays a major part and doesn't die (with exceptions...) but that doesn't mean he's going to be your squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

How on Earth does this happen...

The holograms require that the character actually be present in the zone. Thus, the Illusive Man's room is actually located inside the Normandy, but is completely inaccessible. Using a noclip mod allows you to reach him.

Fantastic! 

Are there any  rendered rooms that were left inside the Normandy that weren't implimented in game?

The Normandy does have vents and dark areas above the ceilings (and even below the floors, I believe). It was designed in that fashion to more accurately portray the scale of the ship when walking from room to room.

[kraidy1117]

You know what would be funny.... if TIm is in fact somewhere on the ship in a place you can't get to him. That would be funny as hell.

[Ecael]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Out of curiosity, since I haven't been paying ANY attention: Has Bioware marketed Dragon Age as a "continuity series" like Mass Effect?

If not, then doing it in DA2 kinda makes sense.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well the difference between Dragon Age and Mass Effect is that DA:O was a complete story more or less.

kraidy1117 wrote...

DAO2 is not part of a trilogy............

It was going to be. Unfortunately, Dragon Age's development took nearly 5 years instead of 2 and half. Dragon Age: Origins was supposed to be released before Mass Effect 1. Instead it was released right before Mass Effect 2.

It gave them much more time than the other team to add dialogue, choices and quests to make a completely stand-alone game. I don't know why they kept the "Origins" subtitle though -- it's not like you'll be continuing your Origin story into Dragon Age 2.

[kraidy1117]

Ecael wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Out of curiosity, since I haven't been paying ANY attention: Has Bioware marketed Dragon Age as a "continuity series" like Mass Effect?

If not, then doing it in DA2 kinda makes sense.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well the difference between Dragon Age and Mass Effect is that DA:O was a complete story more or less.

kraidy1117 wrote...

DAO2 is not part of a trilogy............

It was going to be. Unfortunately, Dragon Age's development took nearly 5 years instead of 2 and half. Dragon Age: Origins was supposed to be released before Mass Effect 1. Instead it was released right before Mass Effect 2.

It gave them much more time than the other team to add dialogue, choices and quests to make a completely stand-alone game. I don't know why they kept the "Origins" subtitle though -- it's not like you'll be continuing your Origin story into Dragon Age 2.

New origins in DAO2 most likely. There was a bunch cut out from DAO.

[Beholderess]

First of all, I know that I shouldn't blame the characters for that situation. Writers are to blame instead=). Having said that...

1) I am not mad at Ash/Kaidan/Liara for refusing to stop whatever they are doing and join Shepard's squad. After all, Wrex is staying where he is, and he has damn good reasons for that. I don't remember many people complainig about Wrex not leaving with them.

2) However, I am mad at Ash/Kaidan for complete lack of trust. Once they see Shepard working with (with! not for!) Cerberus, they cannot see anything elce. As if an allegiance to an organisation is worth more than friendship/love. Again, I don't ask Ash/Kaidan to come with me. I ask them to trust Shepard's judgement. Do they really have so little faith in someone they claimed to respect?
For constrast, Tali has much more personal reasons to hate Cerberus than Ash. Yet when Tali meets Shep, she chooses to trust him/her, she still sees her friend, not the stupid uniform. That's loyalty. That's friendship. And Ash/Kaidan seem to be...lacking...that quality.

[95Headhunter]

To go back to the OP, I personally wasn't pissed off at Ash/Kaidan. What most people don't seem to realise is that they are independent characters. They have their own opinions, their own motivations and their own morals. Ash/Kaidan made their decision on Horizon. Was I gutted that I couldn't bring Kaidan with me? Was I sad that he rejected my femshep? Sure, but the only character I get to control is Shepard - I don't get to decide what anyone else does.

That was what Bioware wanted Ash/Kaidan to think and do, and that's what happened.

And to all the people saying they won't buy ME3 if certain people aren't in it, and if certain outcomes don't conform to your expectations, we all know that's just not true - and you know it too. How do I know? Well, for one thing your arguing so passionately on the game's dedicated forum. That alone says you care about your Shepard, that you've invested in the story Bioware have crafted, and you couldn't possibly go without seeing how it all pans out. Kid yourself for now, if you want, but you know full well that once Bioware restarts the hype engine, you'll start whining about all the changes, just like you did before ME2, when deep down you're insanely excited and have already made your preorder.

As an, admittedly very very part time, writer, it really irks me when people criticise you for doing things that they wouldn't have done, or for having an independent character make a decision the reader doesn't personally like. That's not the point. This is Bioware's story, let them tell it the way they want. If you end up not liking it, fine. Whinge all you want. But don't write it off before we've even heard the slightest detail about it.

I, for one, couldn't be more excited about ME3. I don't really care who comes back. Sure, I'd love to see Garrus again, I'd love to have Jacob and Kaidan back, I'd love Miranda and Liara to be back on the squad but if the pre-release material says they all died of intergalactic herpes in the meantime, as sucky as that would be, I'd still order ME3 as soon as I could, because ultimately the most important character to me is Shepard. And I want to see the story finished, however Bioware decide to do it, and however ultimately superficial the 'big choices' might be.

[/rant]

[TuringPoint]

95Headhunter wrote...

To go back to the OP, I personally wasn't pissed off at Ash/Kaidan. What most people don't seem to realise is that they are independent characters. They have their own opinions, their own motivations and their own morals.

...

But isn't every choice they make the fault of their writers?  I mean, kind of?

[95Headhunter]

Alocormin wrote...

95Headhunter wrote...

To go back to the OP, I personally wasn't pissed off at Ash/Kaidan. What most people don't seem to realise is that they are independent characters. They have their own opinions, their own motivations and their own morals.

...

But isn't every choice they make the fault of their writers?  I mean, kind of?

Sure, if you want to look at it from a real world point of view. But as soon as you start seeing every character as a series of lines of dialogue written by some disconnected, omniscient writer, you start to lose your connection to the story.

My point is that if you go around blaming the writers for a character doing something you didn't personally agree with, you're distancing yourself from the plot and analysing it as a piece of writing, rather than a story you're engaged with. And yeah, if a writer does an especially bad job, it becomes harder and harder to mesh a character's decisions with the personality they had already developed. For example, if the writers had decided to have Ash/Kaidan walk away from you because their research into human flight was nearing completion and they wanted to return to Earth to fight crime with the aid of their robot duck and Mass Effect caravan, then you'd have a legitimate argument that the writers didn't know what they were doing, and that would pull you out of the story (or, if you're a bit weird, make it awesome ).

But people accusing the writers of messing up the plot just by having those characters make a personal choice, they're artificially breaking themselves out of the story, rather than recognising that sometimes people make choices we can't understand and getting on with it.

[Beholderess]

It doesn't matter who I am seeing as making the choice - character or writer. What matters is that I don't fave to like said choice, or agree with it=).
In fact, it is much easier to justify Ash/Kaidan from the writer's perspective (their dumping of player helped to 1) Establish just how much things have changed in 2 years 2) Make players free to pursue ME2 romances 3) Enforce the general "dark feeling" of the chapter) than from in-character one. I understand why writers did what they did. But I no longer wish to have anything to do with the people who make choices like Ask/Kaidan made. They are free to betray me, I am free to forget about them.

Modifié par Beholderess, 19 avril 2010 - 12:26 .

[ExtremeOne]

Those 2 were nothing but complete clowns with how disrespectful they were towards Shepard Bioware should had a option for Shepard to have deal with them. but no instead Bioware had to play protection agency for the ME 1 lovers who would have been out raged if anything bad happened to those 2. Op you must be a ME 1 lover or mark because I wanted to vent both of them

[ExtremeOne]

KotOREffecT wrote...

I thought they handled Ash/Kaiden well. That scene with Ash, and then the follow up love letter was touching and really meant something. She was just standing her ground and prolly thought Shep turned on her and the Alliance, in way, he kinda can. I think both sides(the council and Shep/Cerberus) think one another is turning on them or the cause to stop the Reapers. Shep is just tired of the bs dismissing, and when Ash stood her ground on Horizon, I told her Cerberus was right because they are taking a stand unlike the Council.

So with that, I think bioware captured the scene right, and it made it a bit more darker for Sheps that romanced her or Kaiden. Because as Shep, we assume they turn their backs on us, but they really dont, and I'm sure we'll be seeing more of them in ME 3 for the conclusion. It made for some good drama I thought..

  


Oh it was not dark at all. It was some stupid crap oh because Shepard is working with Cerberus Ashley and Kaiden get all pissed off as if someone turned on them. those 2 did not give a crap about Shepard only the stupid Alliance and its do nothing attitude. Bioware did not want their poor little ME 1 clowns hurt but it was really sad that Shepard is able to pimp slap some a reporter in the game but he can not deal with 2 disrespectful and non grateful alliance jerks 

[Splinter Cell 108]

I'm not pissed at the ME1 LIs. I understand their mistrust of Cerberus, I really don't want to work with them. I hate to admit it but there is no other options, the Council doesn't care or don't want to incite a panic helping out and the Alliance is filled with useless racists and politicians like Udina. The only two useful people in the Alliance are Captain Anderson and Admiral Hackett and even they can't help you out much.



I really do wish all the LIs would get more attention though, one meeting and an Email is just not enough. Liara also gets even less attention than the other two which makes me angry since she's my favorite LI for a male Shepard.

[lastpawn]

I'm not mad at them. For me to be mad at the LIs, they would have to do something in-character which would make me mad. This didn't happen. I'm mad at the lazy writing which forced them out of the plot.