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[Wonderllama4]

I love Dragon Age and it joins the short list of games I have more than 100 hours on, all of which I consider the best games ever:

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Gears of War 2
Fallout 3
Mass Effect
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

this only includes games that actually tell me the number of hours played... I remember playing a lot of Pokemon and Mario Party way back when

[DragonRageGT]

Always something new in each playthrough. Can you imagine how many stuff like these you're missing with such "one playthough per game only"?

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[k9medusa]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Don't understand the Fade hate. Although I have only done it twice but it was really fun both the times, and pretty quick on my second try!

I don't understand that either  -- I wish that they where more fade areas to go to.  I also like the deep roads -- with all the action it helps out to balance the dialog in other areas....  To each their own - Shurgs -

[Vv Half OrcVv]

Ι personally dislike that I can't play with my main character twice the story and the expansions just like mass effect,nwn(1,2)and baldurs gate series.I am a completitionist so I do almost everything on my first playthrough so I am bored to build up from the begining a new character.I also believe that with 3(as a dwarf,a human and an elf) playthroughs. You can see almost everything the game has to offer(if you are making different choices in each of them) .The origins are very interesting but after completing them your race and your choices are all that matters.Just my opinion.I believe that is a great game but after doing everything I would like to play again with my main character without starting at lvl1 with crappy equipment

[Grizzly46]

Zy-El wrote...

I'm on my 7th playthrough and I've yet to even try any of the Dwarf origins. I've been playing all three classes using Humans and Elves. Also, I go through different combinations of specs within each class as well as characters of both sexes. With all of those available permutations, I am quite entertained and there is significant replay value.

I suspect those who are bored with this game have only played one class, one race the same way each time - yeah, of course, that would get boring. Whereas I tend to alternate with each playthrough. First time, I played as a Human Rogue then a City Elf Rogue then a Human Warrior then an Elven Mage then a Dalish Rogue. Each playthrough is different and I see more of the game from different viewpoints. Like I said, I've yet to try the Dwarf origins and am tempted to do so.

Replayability depends on how you approach the game.

I played the game once and got bored - how about that then? Simply put, what I crave in ANY game is a good story geing told, and the story in DAO is simply not good enough. Sure, it has plenty of eye candy, but that is about the only redeeming trait it has - for the rest of the specs, most tend to fail - voice acting, loyalty missions, weapon types... No, one playthrough, then uninstall and return it to my poor buddy...

[Zy-El]

Not your cup of tea . . . so be it. What games do you enjoy? Asking out of curiousity.

[CultKiller]

I must be the oddball in the group. If I can get my character through Lothering, I'm good. I enjoy the origins but Ostegar and Lothering are very boring after a few playthroughs imo. Other than that I have enjoyed 500+ hours of playtime between PS3 (no longer have PS3 version), PC, And Awakening (PC).

[Chastain]

I'm reeeeally dragging through my 2nd playthrough.



I loved it at first, but some parts just went on too long or simply weren't well done. The Fade stuff, and the entire dwarf area and deep roads in particular really can be a drag.



I haven't done Awakenings yet as I wanted to finish up my 2nd playthrough.

[I Valente I]

I love the game, but I just can't bring myself to play through it again right away. I think because it's SO long, that I would really have to invest a lot of time into it. It'll probably be one of those games that I play yearly or so(like BG's and Zelda:OoT)





Replayability is an interesting thing for me. because it doesn't so much depend on the options a game offers for a different experience, but rather, the experience itseslf, and whether or not it's worth living again. One of my most replayed games, Zelda: OoT, goes EXACTLY the same each time through, it doesn't bother me. Other games never differ in story yet I play through them countless times because the gameplay is so good and varied( Early Splinter Cells, Baldur's Gate series).



But with Dragon Age, even though it offers so many different choices and endings, the gameplay is what's keeping it from bringing me back, because it's still going to be very similar. I'm not saying it's not replayable, just that it doesn't have that "great replay value" title that other games have.

[Synnworld]

I played a few times, I want to play more but just can't. I mean first off the fade....enough said. Ozammar I really have no problem with, but what I do was the fact after each origins; some stuff feels like it will not change at all. Maybe a few witty banters but thats about it.
The game doesn't even feel that long to me really.

Modifié par Synnworld, 21 avril 2010 - 09:16 .

[Trintrin86]

I have played through 4 times. Working on a 5th. I just love messing around with the story choices. Since I'm playing for story only I just put the difficulty on easy and speed through mundane dialogue.

[Urshakk]

CultKiller wrote...

I must be the oddball in the group. If I can get my character through Lothering, I'm good. I enjoy the origins but Ostegar and Lothering are very boring after a few playthroughs imo. Other than that I have enjoyed 500+ hours of playtime between PS3 (no longer have PS3 version), PC, And Awakening (PC).

Nah, you're not. I feel the same, Ostagar / Korcari Wilds / Lothering are real boring for me after countless playthroughs. Everything else after that is fun for me.

[Gentleman Jack]

I have played so many hours it is hard to believe. I have no life that is for certain, Playability is awsome!! The only game I can compare it too is the zelda franchise, which you can only replay twice with out repeating what you have already done. I only have one more achievement to get and don't even have all the playthroughs close to done to complete it. I see something and learn something different everytime.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey all.

I have only done 1 1/2 playthroughs to date. I will probably buy the PC version (I own the 360 version) before attempting another game. The console controls just are not great for this type of game.

As regards replay value of the game itself. I think you have to say pretty good. I mean it gives you six origin stories, each with their own unique opening level. It also gives you freedom of choice of where to go in the second act. So I think its a thumbs up in that area. Personally I would have played it much more if I had the time (I work two jobs).

While generally pretty good I don't think the overall structure of the game is perfect. If we break the game down to its constituent parts we can see that of the major sections in act two (Redcliffe, Haven, Orzammar, Brecilian Forest and Mages Tower) are very lopsided (in terms of length) towards the Mages Tower and Orzammar. The Mages Tower sort of carries it off because that section is divided into two strikingly different parts, whereas the Deep Roads is more or less the same theme throughout. So if the game drags anywhere its in the Deep Roads.

Personally I would have probably reduced the Origins stories to three (one for each race) with maybe some minor differences for certain classes. However, what I would have done would have been to inject a unique side quest based on the characters class during Act Two (when you have the freedom to go anywhere on the map).

[Icinix]

Several playthrough's done and several to go.

Main reason. Mods.

[DragonRageGT]

Urshakk wrote...

CultKiller wrote...

I must be the oddball in the group. If I can get my character through Lothering, I'm good. I enjoy the origins but Ostegar and Lothering are very boring after a few playthroughs imo. Other than that I have enjoyed 500+ hours of playtime between PS3 (no longer have PS3 version), PC, And Awakening (PC).

Nah, you're not. I feel the same, Ostagar / Korcari Wilds / Lothering are real boring for me after countless playthroughs. Everything else after that is fun for me.

Agreed. Those are the worst parts for me too. What I do is to have the party stay back and solo them all! Except when not possible like inside a Lothering tavern or Ishtal 4th floor, where there no room for the party to stay back. Always in NM too.

And what keeps me bringing me back to the game, besides the story, the different origins and different paths across the tale, is actually the gameplay. How I sucked when I first played (in Hard) and had to restart in Normal, play a couple dozen hours and then restart in Nightmare. And every run after that first NM, it gets easier and easier and faster too. And such evolution from a noob to an elite player - to hell with modesty - can be seen in some of my videos. Those that are not a record of the funny stuff, but of the combat and gameplay too. They are not my most viewed vids but they are the ones I'm really proud of. Of course the funny stuff specially with my modded Leliana and her amazingly hot armor will always be on the top!

Mind you that I'm an obssessive-compulsive, when games are concerned. In all my playthroughs I have to do everything! I don't skip a single side quest. I go for around 97% world explored in each of those runs (of course only an especific type of rogue can have it 100%, which I have played too). I buy all the best weapons my sovereigns can buy and find the best items and sets. I have a top form party with the best gear even when they are to be held and let me solo. I craft around 4000 items and make around 5,000 sovereigns per run. Every run. And I have many runs. All around 100 hours long.

And it's a hell of a fun. Great game. Very few other games got me doing that. I mean, long ago, before the bots, I used to do 100 Mephisto Runs in Hardcore D2 LOD Hell diff, for the drops. Could've been rich on e-bay. But I also used to spend many hours rp'ing with other people in some NWN's Permanent Worlds. That's what I miss the most in DA. It definitely should have a mplayer of some sort.

[Reaverwind]

I Valente I wrote...

But with Dragon Age, even though it offers so many different choices and endings, the gameplay is what's keeping it from bringing me back, because it's still going to be very similar. I'm not saying it's not replayable, just that it doesn't have that "great replay value" title that other games have.

That's my hangup - once you get out of the Origins - there's very little difference in gameplay. Playing a different class doesn't do much to change how combat plays out, given that I'm usually having to play all the classes anyway thanks to the lovely party AI. Choices made have very little impact on completing the major questlines, which is a shame for a game that places significant emphasis on the story.

[Urshakk]

RageGT wrote...
Agreed. Those are the worst parts for me too. What I do is to have the party stay back and solo them all! Except when not possible like inside a Lothering tavern or Ishtal 4th floor, where there no room for the party to stay back. Always in NM too.

And what keeps me bringing me back to the game, besides the story, the different origins and different paths across the tale, is actually the gameplay. How I sucked when I first played (in Hard) and had to restart in Normal, play a couple dozen hours and then restart in Nightmare. And every run after that first NM, it gets easier and easier and faster too. And such evolution from a noob to an elite player - to hell with modesty - can be seen in some of my videos. Those that are not a record of the funny stuff, but of the combat and gameplay too. They are not my most viewed vids but they are the ones I'm really proud of. Of course the funny stuff specially with my modded Leliana and her amazingly hot armor will always be on the top!

Mind you that I'm an obssessive-compulsive, when games are concerned. In all my playthroughs I have to do everything! I don't skip a single side quest. I go for around 97% world explored in each of those runs (of course only an especific type of rogue can have it 100%, which I have played too). I buy all the best weapons my sovereigns can buy and find the best items and sets. I have a top form party with the best gear even when they are to be held and let me solo. I craft around 4000 items and make around 5,000 sovereigns per run. Every run. And I have many runs. All around 100 hours long.

And it's a hell of a fun. Great game. Very few other games got me doing that. I mean, long ago, before the bots, I used to do 100 Mephisto Runs in Hardcore D2 LOD Hell diff, for the drops. Could've been rich on e-bay. But I also used to spend many hours rp'ing with other people in some NWN's Permanent Worlds. That's what I miss the most in DA. It definitely should have a mplayer of some sort.

Me and you are a lot alike then.

I really like the combat in this game, sure it's simple, but its fun which is the whole point. For the most part, I do explore almost all of the world and do most of the side-quests. I tend to avoid the ones that just give gold on my recent playthroughs, and complete the ones that give me a useful item. Like Careless Accusations (for Seal of Red Rat ring) or Dereliction of Duty (for Frostshear ring).

Depends on what class I'm playing for how much gold I try to stack up, sometimes I don't need any of the unique items from vendors, and sometimes I need quite a few of them. Usually I end up around 80-100 hours gametime on my playthroughs. Ah, good 'ol D2 days. Yes, I remember waking up in the morning, turning on the Meph / Pindle bot and going to school and coming back to see what I found.

Modifié par Urshakk, 21 avril 2010 - 10:35 .

[Nukenin]

I've distilled the play of the game to a simple coin toss.  Heads, I win, tails, you lose.  I am able to thus replay very quickly, and can manage as many simultaneous plays of the game as I have coins to toss.

I recently expanded to include Awakening—Heads, Awakening, tails, asleepening.  Again, I simply expound  and extol the virtues of a given character while tossing the relevant coin.  This enables me to play thousands upon thousands of games in quick succession until my coin flippity falls asleep.

This technique works for all versions of the game, and is completely bug-free unless you have a coin with a bug squashed on it.  Yech! 

It also supports non-standard characters.  Want to play a dwarf mage?  Flip it!  Want to play a High Dragon Templar Witch of the Wild?  Flip it!  Want to play a biofueled grungespawn quarter-berserker?  Flip it!

Complex plot structures like romances are supported as well.  Want to play a gnome who has a one-night stand with Alistair before entering into a long-term relationship with Duncan's Beard while seeing Wynne every even Thursday and swapping steins with Oghren around the campfire during the new moon while sharpening Sten's sword with a whetstone in the mornings?  Just flip it!  Want to turn the party camp into a monster party with every NPC in the game piled together in a massive sprawl of limbs and torsos and the occasional appearance of a brow glistening with sweat?  Just flip it!

The replay is insane and infinite.    If you have good tactile sense, you don't even need a light source.

Multiplayer is supported as well, though make sure you check with your fellow players to see if PvP is supported before you go tossin' coins at 'em.

[Urshakk]

^^ lol, Nukenin strikes again!

[Grizzly46]

Zy-El wrote...

Not your cup of tea . . . so be it. What games do you enjoy? Asking out of curiousity.

You talking to me? RPGs first and foremost, without a question. But as good as DAO is graphically, what as I said need, crave and want from a game is simply not there. The main plot is lame ('ooh, they are attacking every 400 years, because... some gods tells them too? Ooh, that is a strong incitement indeed...'), the stories told by the NPCs are too long and bland to listen to - after a while I started up a long convo and went doing other stuff, and when the chatter stopped, I went back and picked a reply that seemed to be the most appropriate, considering if anything would be useful, it would end up in my journal. Telling stories is great, if the story teller is good (almost noone was) and the story good (few were), but otherwise it was a chore. I was SO happy when I found I could skip those lengthy convos. The side-quests were... doable, as they almost always are. Nothing special, even if I though it was cowardly to use boards, sacks and chests to deal out quests, just to cut down on voice-acting - but considering the quality on much of that, it was not a loss...

Note that almost EVERYTHING else in the game was fine - the mechanics, the weapons, the rune smithing, the inventory system and so on, but the most important parts, the (voice) acting and story was subpar. And that is why this is not a game with replay value.

[DragonRageGT]

huh.. you sound just like a German fan of Gothics and Risen friend of mine. heh.



But honestly, there are people that say Frank Sinatra could not sing with his awful voice, Tom Jobim was a lame composer, Beethoven was a deaf tone pianist, Giselle Bunchen is ugly, Tom Hanks is a lame actor, Tolkien created a lame universe with lame stories and characters, Brazil sucks at football, Pele was the worst player ever, Michael Jordan couldn't play basketball to save his life, Denmark has the ugliest women population in this planet, men never landed in the moon, the world is square and the sky is falling on our heads!



Some of them also call themselves Napoleão Bonaparte and think they can invade Russia!

[miltos33]

A game has good replay value for me when it either gives me a free roaming open world to explore or many different options to build my character. Dragon Age belongs to the latter category and therefore I find it highly replayable.

[Grizzly46]

RageGT wrote...

huh.. you sound just like a German fan of Gothics and Risen friend of mine. heh.

But honestly, there are people that say Frank Sinatra could not sing with his awful voice, Tom Jobim was a lame composer, Beethoven was a deaf tone pianist, Giselle Bunchen is ugly, Tom Hanks is a lame actor, Tolkien created a lame universe with lame stories and characters, Brazil sucks at football, Pele was the worst player ever, Michael Jordan couldn't play basketball to save his life, Denmark has the ugliest women population in this planet, men never landed in the moon, the world is square and the sky is falling on our heads!

Some of them also call themselves Napoleão Bonaparte and think they can invade Russia!

Yes, apparently I'm in minority here as with most subjects on the forum, but I stand by my claim that DAO is not a good enough game to replay. It was ok, but not the earth shaking experience some seems to think it was. The technology was there, but I would rather replay Fallout 1 and 2, Mass Effect 1 and 2 or the entire Baldurs Gate saga again than DAO, or even Neverwinter Nights 1.

And the Gothic series was good, but a little too bug ridden to be fully appreciated.

Modifié par Grizzly46, 22 avril 2010 - 05:01 .

[Upper_Krust]

Just for a bit of fun and self indulgence I brainstormed how I would (attempt to) better fit the basic building blocks of the game.

This approach had me break up the game into four distinct chapters (lets call them) rather than the three in DAO. As I noted in my previous post I also dropped the origin stories down to 3 instead of 6 (one for each race) but converted a second race specific level from existing levels late in the game.

In tandem with each level I added the two strongest monster themes of that respective area.

Chapter One

Levels played in order...

Origin Level (1 of 3: Dwarf, Elf and Human) ~ Variable
Crypts of Ostagar (this would be a new level) ~ Undead + Oozes 
Korcari Wilds ~ Darkspawn (Genlocks) + Animals
Tower of Ishal ~ Darkspawn (Genlocks)

Chapter Two

Initial choice of three stages (Brecilian Forest, Mages Tower, Redcliffe), each of which has two 'levels' that need to be played in order...

Brecilian Forest ~ Plants + Animals (and some Werewolves)
Undead Cairns (four mini dungeons - rather than simply single encounters) ~ Ghouls

Mages Tower (Lower Levels) ~ Wizards + Demons
Mages Tower (Upper Levels) ~ Demons + Abominations

Redcliffe Town & Dungeons ~ Humans + Oozes
Redcliffe Castle ~ Humans + Dragons

After those levels have been completed you can head to Orzammar...

Carta Hideout ~ Rogues + Traps (and some Darkspawn)
Anvil of the Gods ~ Darkspawn (Hurlocks) + Golems

Chapter Three

Again, as with chapter two, an initial choice of three stages (Fade, Haven, Werewolf Lair) from this point, each with two levels.

Frostback Mountains (this would be a new level) ~ Monsters + Demons
Fade ~ Demons + Undead (Ghouls)

Haven Town & Temple ~ Human Fanatics + Dragons
Dragon's Lair ~ Dragons + Undead (Zombies)

Werewolf Lair ~ Werewolves + Plants
Elven Ruins (Lower Levels) ~ Undead (Skeletons) + Oozes

After those levels have been completed...

Dead Trenches ~ Undead (Ghosts) + Golems (and some Darkspawn)
Deep Roads ~ Darkspawn (Shrieks) 

Chapter Four

Origin Level Part Two (one per race)

- Dwarf: Jarvia's returned and working with Antivan Crows in Denerim: Rogues + Golems
- Elf: Elven Alienage ~ Wizards + Oozes
- Human: Arl Howe's Estate  ~ Warriors + Dragons

Landsmeet ~ Humans + (captive) Monsters

Final Battle: Denerim ~ Undead + Darkspawn
Final Battle: Fort Drakon ~ Demons + Darkspawn

Anyway, I was just messing about. However, structurally I think its an overall improvement. Notably in breaking up the (too) long stages of the game (Mage's Tower and Orzammar)