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[Lara Denton]

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

[Xandurpein]

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

True love is a little possessive...

[Lara Denton]

Xandurpein wrote...

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

True love is a little possessive...

Yes, and you can safely say it is a lot more possessive than a little... but if it's love, she would keep the real thing.

[nos_astra]

laradenton wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

laradenton
wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png But that is not love.

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True love is a little possessive...

Yes, and you can safely say it is a lot more possessive than a little... but if it's love, she would keep the real thing.

She can't. She's a city elf and at that point the real thing will be either King, leaving Ferelden or dead.
A damaged city elf could maybe think death is an option.

A little like Romeo & Juliet ... only without the second party consenting to the plan and probably very much insane. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

Edit: The only other option I see is what Xandurpein mentioned before.

Someone who is selfish enough to pretend to love him and then throw him to the wolves. But that's bordering on evil again. In my book you just don't kill people you care for ... not without a really good reason. And the Landsmeet doesn't provide a terribly good reason as Alistair doesn't do anything exceptionally threatening.

Modifié par klarabella, 19 avril 2010 - 10:49 .

[sylvanaerie]

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

PC just exceeded Leli in the "nutcase" department...

[Xandurpein]

sylvanaerie wrote...

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

PC just exceeded Leli in the "nutcase" department...

Your head is so pretty. I just wanna keep it in a jar!

Modifié par Xandurpein, 19 avril 2010 - 11:05 .

[sylvanaerie]

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

PC just exceeded Leli in the "nutcase" department...

Your head is so pretty. I just wanna keep it in a jar!

Yea...Crazy in Alabama...I mean Ferelden.

[Xandurpein]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

PC just exceeded Leli in the "nutcase" department...

Your head is so pretty. I just wanna keep it in a jar!

Yea...Crazy in Alabama...I mean Ferelden.

I thought keeping pickled parts of your lover in a jar was an Orlesian custom.

[nos_astra]

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

laradenton wrote...

On the realm of insanity anything it's possible. She would go like: "Ah, Alistair, how I miss you!", then she would start to cuddle with his head and kiss his rotten lips, right? But that is not love.

PC just exceeded Leli in the "nutcase" department...

Your head is so pretty. I just wanna keep it in a jar!

Yea...Crazy in Alabama...I mean Ferelden.

I thought keeping pickled parts of your lover in a jar was an Orlesian custom.

Right, very creepy.

Modifié par klarabella, 19 avril 2010 - 11:52 .

[Mlai00]

I think there is also a difference in male vs female line of thought, when dealing with the unexpected disappointment of Alistair's hissyfit during the Landsmeet.

A man who is his buddy would, in a male line of reasoning, think "This is my fault that I did not see this coming. I was blind." So if you're a good man, you can't punish someone else for a mistake on your part.

A woman, however, does not have that "own up like a man" ingrained in them from birth. A woman would think "He has a fatal flaw! He betrayed me!" Even if she acknowledges that she failed to see this beforehand, the emphasis is different: "I failed to see his fatal flaw!" She's a woman. She's not going to own up to anything. Alistair is the man; it's his fault.

A lawful good woman would have much more self-justification to kill Alistair than a lawful good man.

[Aisynia]

/facepalm

[SurelyForth]

Mlai00 wrote...

I think there is also a difference in male vs female line of thought, when dealing with the unexpected disappointment of Alistair's hissyfit during the Landsmeet.

A man who is his buddy would, in a male line of reasoning, think "This is my fault that I did not see this coming. I was blind." So if you're a good man, you can't punish someone else for a mistake on your part.

A woman, however, does not have that "own up like a man" ingrained in them from birth. A woman would think "He has a fatal flaw! He betrayed me!" Even if she acknowledges that she failed to see this beforehand, the emphasis is different: "I failed to see his fatal flaw!" She's a woman. She's not going to own up to anything. Alistair is the man; it's his fault.

A lawful good woman would have much more self-justification to kill Alistair than a lawful good man.

[sylvanaerie]

Mlai00 wrote...

I think there is also a difference in male vs female line of thought, when dealing with the unexpected disappointment of Alistair's hissyfit during the Landsmeet.
A man who is his buddy would, in a male line of reasoning, think "This is my fault that I did not see this coming. I was blind." So if you're a good man, you can't punish someone else for a mistake on your part.
A woman, however, does not have that "own up like a man" ingrained in them from birth. A woman would think "He has a fatal flaw! He betrayed me!" Even if she acknowledges that she failed to see this beforehand, the emphasis is different: "I failed to see his fatal flaw!" She's a woman. She's not going to own up to anything. Alistair is the man; it's his fault.
A lawful good woman would have much more self-justification to kill Alistair than a lawful good man.

Umm thats TOTALLY not how I would think as a woman.  So...what population of females are you speaking for?

[Aisynia]

Someone who has dated the wrong women apparently.

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Umm thats TOTALLY not how I would think as a woman.  So...what population of females are you speaking for?

Yeah, between my boyfriend and myself he's way more likely to blame Alistair for being a manchild and I'm way more likely to blame my PC for not being more Duncan-esque in my approach to Grey Wardening.

Obviously we're broken, gender wise.

[Xandurpein]

I have known men who are very good at blaming things on everyone but themselves, and I honestly needed a few days to stop blaming everything on Alistair myself. It's not a female thing really.

[Mlai00]

I wuv trolling. 8-D

[7th_Phoenix]

Uh... wha...? o_O



Execute Alistair... and you've romanced him?!

[ejoslin]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

Uh... wha...? o_O

Execute Alistair... and you've romanced him?!

Sure. I've done it. My justification was, well, I didn't have one.  I was just seeing how things played out.

[errant_knight]

Mlai00 wrote...

I wuv trolling. 8-D

Please don't troll my thread. It's not appreciated. The topic is how the female PC justifies killing Alistair when in a relationship. In your scenario, it would be pique, which hardly seems like a resonable justification for execution.

Moving on, a number of people have suggested that their PC loves Alistair, but is able to put those feelings aside 'for the good of Fereldan (in that character's view). My question, do you really think that's love or some other emotion (or lack of ability to truly connect) that they're feeliing but calling/believing to be love? My personal feeling is that it's impossible to really love someone and call for their death. Unless you find them in the garage dismembering the children and the family pet, in which case one would surely stop loving them, and not longer be feeling such when killing them. So my argument holds, love would have to cease before execution.

[mousestalker]

errant_knight wrote...
Moving on, a number of people have suggested that their PC loves Alistair, but is able to put those feelings aside 'for the good of Fereldan (in that character's view). My question, do you really think that's love or some other emotion (or lack of ability to truly connect) that they're feeliing but calling/believing to be love? My personal feeling is that it's impossible to really love someone and call for their death. Unless you find them in the garage dismembering the children and the family pet, in which case one would surely stop loving them, and not longer be feeling such when killing them. So my argument holds, love would have to cease before execution.

My PC had to fall out of love with him for her to consent to his execution. I can't imagine ever consenting to killing someone you still love. Ex-boyfriends, on the other hand... (j/k)

/OOC: That city elf was one of six CEF's I've played and one of 20+ characters. It's also one of the two playthroughs that really upset me (The other being the one where Alistair killed the AD and died). 

[Carmen_Willow]

I am in a scenario this time around in which Alistair will have to die (I want to see if Anora shows up in Awakenings), and frankly, I may choose this ending. My reasoning is different. I was having a fling with someone else when he offered me the rose and then wanted me to break up. When I asked him not to make me choose, he had nothing further to do with me romantically. So, technically, I don't qualify, but secretly I think I'm in love with him but too hurt by the way he turned his back on me (and too proud) to do anything about it. So, I can refuse Morrigan's offer and let him go that way, or support Anora and see him executed. I will hate that. The one and only time I spared Loghain before, I was so upset by Alistair's attitude that I had to play in over again. I hated going through the entire finale without him along. It wa awful. So, I don't know if I can betray him that way. I can see him die, but I don't know if I can screw my courage to the sticking place and go along with his execution.



It is a rational decision to make however. If you decide to support Anora, getting rid of the rival is a sure way to prevent future rebellions....as Bhelen well knows. Ruthless but practical.

[errant_knight]

Just read the bits between the Dukes of Hazard reference (yay!) and the trolling.... Very helpful folks! It's possible for any of the origins to feel the need to call for Alistair's death, but for a character to do so when engaged in a romance, I think they have to be one or some of:
-duplicitous, stringing him along for her own reasons, perhaps even vindictive.
-just having a fling, and cold hearted/ruthless enough that she can keep that completely separate from her political choices.
-mentally unstable, able to overreact to the point that a demonstration of flaws, or a disagreement becomes worthy of execution. (it could be argued that #2 is also an example of poor mental health as that kind of lack of empathy is a tad on the psychopathic side)

Modifié par errant_knight, 19 avril 2010 - 05:41 .

[Tokion]

mousestalker wrote...

I had a city elf that executed Alistair. They were still in a relationship, but she didn't appreciate how he reacted in the Alienage. There was the whole "we aren't going to get mugged" comment, with the total surprise that she had been engaged and then meeting her father after Caladrius (Wynne lost approval with my PC on that one as well. No, Wynne, I'm going to spare the S O B who kidnapped and imprisoned my father and now wants to use his life force for some blood magic ritual).

She had asked about his childhood, his upbringing, his likes and dislikes and suddenly she was aware that he had never asked anything about her. The blinders fell off. When he pitched about sparing Loghain she found herself agreeing with Anora. It broke her heart, but she wound up consenting to Alistair's execution. Alistair was, in her opinion, acting like a child. A childish man with a claim to the throne would be a threat to the unity of the kingdom as long as he lived.

She wound up refusing Morrigan's Dark Ritual and killed the arch demon herself out of grief and self loathing. She felt the worst punishment she could give to Loghain was to let him live with himself and with Alistair dead, she didn't want to live.

Very much like a Greek tragedy.

A great story! But the moment was ruined when she was mysteriously brought back to life in awakening......

I am beginning to see why fans are complaining about the connection between the 2 games.

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

Mlai00 wrote...

I wuv trolling. 8-D

Please don't troll my thread. It's not appreciated. The topic is how the female PC justifies killing Alistair when in a relationship. In your scenario, it would be pique, which hardly seems like a resonable justification for execution.

Moving on, a number of people have suggested that their PC loves Alistair, but is able to put those feelings aside 'for the good of Fereldan (in that character's view). My question, do you really think that's love or some other emotion (or lack of ability to truly connect) that they're feeliing but calling/believing to be love? My personal feeling is that it's impossible to really love someone and call for their death. Unless you find them in the garage dismembering the children and the family pet, in which case one would surely stop loving them, and not longer be feeling such when killing them. So my argument holds, love would have to cease before execution.

My scenario involved the PC refusing to admit it was love, choosing to believe it was something else, which is quite possible to do.  People do it all the time.  They delude themselves into thinking a certain way in order to be able to cope.  The brain can protect its sanity in unusual ways and this would be one.  Eventually, however, it catches up with you, which is what would happen to that PC when the Blight was over.