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You can do the DR for an unselfish reason, I think, although most people would think of the 'I don't want to die and neither does Alistair' motivation first. If Morrigan's child is attracting the soul of the Old God away from the GWs who themselves were attracting it away from the nearest darkspawn, would the Archdemon even need to be killed by a GW? If Riordan/Warden/Alistair-or-Loghain all die then all of Ferelden wouldn't be doomed and if someone got in a lucky shot before the Wardens could get to the Archdemon the attack on Denerim wuld be a lot less destructive and more lives could have been saved.

Still, that's the kind of thing that would tend to occur to people after realizing that they could live.



Exactly. :) I do like the Dark Ritual for one reason: that no Grey Wardens have to sacrifice themselves killing the Archdemon. I just wonder if Morrigan's child could be worse than all of the Archdemons combined in the future. The soul of an old God, which the Darkspawn are drawn to, but the seed of a Grey Warden that carries over their resistance to the call of the Old Gods. It's a question of whether she (and Flemeth, I assume) are looking to control both the Darkspawn and the Grey Wardens, forcing their allegiance to whatever dark plans they personally have. I don't know. I just hope that when Dragon Age 2 comes out that this is all explained finally. :) The suspense is killing me! :) I do, however, have one request from Maker Gaider: that the player's character has the chance to kill this child in the future, if it is evil, as well as anyone who might get in the way trying to save it (yes, Alistair included). Even if it means the end of their own life - not like we haven't already done that before. lol

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Of all the times I have played through, I think my love of Alistair has only grown. *shrugs* To each his own!

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Daneres wrote...
You love Alistair to pieces when you play through a couple of times but then you start to realize the he is quite childish and, yes, a little hypocritical. I will admit that I didn't really see all of the flaws in his character's personality until after I played Awakening. When you meet Anders and Nathaniel you just realized that their characters are stronger characters, both as people and as Grey Wardens in the end. At least the way I played them.


Well, you could start to realize those things, or you could totally not. ;)

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lol Again, I wish I would have read ahead a little more. Sorry, everyone, haven't been on the Net in over a week. :) I hear what you're saying and I agree with you. You love Alistair to pieces when you play through a couple of times but then you start to realize the he is quite childish and, yes, a little hypocritical. I will admit that I didn't really see all of the flaws in his character's personality until after I played Awakening. When you meet Anders and Nathaniel you just realized that their characters are stronger characters, both as people and as Grey Wardens in the end. At least the way I played them.


Daneres, I think this is the start of a wonderful relationship between us. Image IPB
No seriously I fully agree.

Morrigan on the otherhand. aaaah. I keep loving her more and more. And I keep getting sad more and more.
Thsoe two emoticons should be mixed (Image IPB+Image IPB)

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Daneres, I think this is the start of a wonderful relationship between us.




You got it all wrong! The line is: I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

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(Long story alert)

I think it is *easier* to kill him as a female Cousland.  As another mentioned above, Cousland's are only royalists if the royalty is good for Ferelden.  The Cousland line predates Ferelden and has thier own code of noblesse oblige (in the moral obligation sense).  This is brought out in the Codex, the early Noble origin and in the Keep DLC.  I really can't see any other origin caring as much about the "good of Ferelden".  The origin aloso makes it clear you were bred and educated in using power, and not for evil.

One of my female Cousland did in one of the three endings I played for her.  I liked it second best from an RP point of view.  She did romance him.  RP-wise this only works with Alistair unhardened.  This is how it unfolds:

As a second child and a daughter with her older brother already having an heir (so her father had an heir and a spare) it was clear her likely future was an arranged marriage.  Howe was clearly sniffing out his chances with his son.  Since the honor of her family relied on her reputation, she was not sleeping around, at least not before an arranged marriage and her probably production of an indisputable heir and a spare in her future.  This meant she was well versed in power, nobility, politics, obligations of nobility and took them all seriously, but wasn't much more romantically experienced than Alistair.  She may not have like the constraints her future need to produce an undisputed heir for some politically convenient person made on her sexuality, but she would have understood her duty and lived up to it.  But, her origin tale unfolds and she is a reluctant Grey Warden.  She accepts out of duty not glory.  Family ties are severed, this now means her marriage and love life are her own.  Of course that is the last thing she is thinking about ... then.

Ironically as the early campaign unfolds she has to beat both a needy Alistair and Leliana off with a stick.  It is really hard to beat a needy Alistiar off, esp. when everyone he just knew was betrayed and slaughtered.  So, yes a romance starts.   It is a real romance.  When it starts she has no idea he is a king's bastard.  The romance does start slowly though.  As you would with anyone who had been through something traumatic, she continues to offer him reassurance.  How was she to know that needy is his normal state?  When he announces before Redcliffe she is rather annoyed really.  Not about him trusting her, but the danger.  That sort of a thing is important to know.  Then his reason for not telling her, selfish.  She never had the luxury of hiding her status and seeing if people "just liked her for herself".  At the time she is the last Cousland (as far as she knows).  But, still then, she can understand.  This though is the first sign of trouble.  In other respects Alistair does seem to have and be developing a sense of duty so initially this early selfishness stands out little.  When he asks to find Goldanna immediately, she offers him more reassurance.  His response is to fully declare love (it seems) even with a line that he hasn't paid as much attention to how hard it was for her.  Considering her whole family was slaughtered, she agrees, but thinks things are turning around.   And Alistair's has the "don't kick the puppy" thing going on for him.

It isn't until right at the Landsmeet that she realizes things are not turning around.  But first, we must understand women who wield power in an era of male inheritance and political marriages.   My character is capable of respect without full agreement, another trait needed in high politics.   Anora understands power.  The thing that really sets up Alistair for death is the female Cousland and Anora developing mutual respect.  Trusts completely, no.  But this is politics.  Personal compromises and sacrifices made for political duty and the good of Ferelden are expected.  The Cousland PC's mother was no wimp herself.   Seeing eye to eye with other strong women should have been in character.

When you are working prior to the Landsmeet, Alistair continues to express anxiety and unwillingness to govern.  This is bad.  But, well, he has you, so it isn't fatal.  The contrast with Anora is stark though.   Anora insinuates that her father may also in some way be a victim of Howe, if a willing one.  She does not excuse her father, and for political expediency is willing to allow her father to die and herself to be married to Alistair.  She admits her first marriage was political with mistresses and she did her duty in public.  She openly challenges, and will accept  the Cousland female as a mistress behind the scenes.  I repect her for wanting to know.   Sure Anora is in it for herself.   But she will also do the right thing by Ferelden at significant personal cost.   Feeling that she is not short on ruling savvy and connections of her own, my character felt she would be equal to making Anora live up to her offers.

So into Landsmeet we go.  Anora supports us and us usual the Cousland woman does all the talking.  Loghain is forced into the duel which he loses.  When the PC tries to accept Riordan's offer yes, you get Alistair's hissy fit.  Anora is calm.  So, lets get this straight - he is willing to go from 4 to 3 Grey Warden's just because he doesn't like *what type* of death sentence you are placing on Loghain.  Without metagame, we don't know Loghain will survive joining.  Survival rate of the warden's at Ostagar was abysmal.  So, yes, a death sentence, just delayed, giving him a chance to die at joining or in battle.  My Cousland PC would have allowed Howe to live, as long as he couldn't do more harm, if that was the trade off she needed to make to defeat the blight and fix Ferelden.  Yet, Alistair is not capable of delaying personal gratification for the good of Ferelden or defeating the blight.

The following dailog would have come back to my PC then.  Loghain's own second in command standing down (the PC used persuasion) and allowing his defeat.  Wynn's comments about Grey Wardens also being protectors of all and that resonating with her inbred noblesse oblige.   Wynn's pointy questions about having to chose between the blight and Alistair, and her difficulty finding an acceptable answer.  Alistair's banter dialog where he was asked the same question by Wynn but blew it off as "that's a stupid question".  Alistair's comments about sleeping with the hounds when in noble houses, and his inability to fend off Morrigan when questioned about what he learned in the Chantry.   Alistair (unhardened) had none of the training or values needed to rule, and was now displaying this, clearly (and viciously pointed out by Anora!).   Not only that, but see how easily he had been led about by the PC.   The choice was between not only Alistair and the blight, but Alistair and the blight and a stable Ferelden.  A Cousland could (and did) chose defeating the blight and a secure Ferelden over Alistair.  Not without anguish, but not with evil intent either.  Alistair did have a claim to the throne, but he was self-centered, weak, vengeful, had no desire to rule and in the presence of a strong woman, malleable.  Yes, he had to die.

The PC would feel horrible, yes, but would do it.

Afterwards, she would still be conflicted.  She would still feel the decision was correct (and without metagaming it is - she doesn't know a hardened Alistair makes a good king).  It was her lack of judgment and constantly thinking she could fix Alistair by constantly reassuring him and her own denial of his flaws that would get to her.   She would be very relieved that her brother was alive to continue the Cousland line.  She now questions her own ability to judge character when blinded by emotion.  A common enough flaw, but she was taught to hold herself to high standards.  Ironically, she judged Morrigan (declined ritual and left), Anora (made a competent queen except for no heir) and Loghain (he offered to die and atone) properly.  But the fact she missed Alistair's fatal flaw will bother her forever.   In a way, Wynn tried to warn her, so she will be be prickly around Wynn now too.

Her response would be to try and compensate by providing value, but not exposing her flaw.  Since Grey Warden's can divorce themselves from politics, she would very much go into suicidal commando mode fighting darkspawn and ignoring political life.  She would not take leadership of the Grey Warden's in Ferelden, nor of the army.   She would be volunteering for all the hardest assignments until she had worked some of this out.  Her own flaw, of being blinded by love to a persons flaw's, almost put an insecure, unfit and easily influenced king on the throne in a blight and of all people to have been a good judge of his fitness to rule, she should have been!  She was a Cousland after all.  Sure, the relationship started when she had renounced her name.  She had no idea who Alistair was, and thought when it started that she could afford a romance for herself.  However, Anora didn't accept excuses for Loghain.  Loghain eventually did not accept excuses for himself.  The PC will not excuse herself either and will become one tough woman.

So there it is, how a Cousland can really love Alistair and still kill him, without a second thought.  I don't feel it is evil per se, of course the whole concept of valuing a nation over a person (esp one you love) is perhaps evil.  But add in the threat of the blight and ... hmmm ... murky.

One thing that makes this particular Cousland twist so delicious from meta gaming is the story of King Maric and Katriona.  Maric kills his true love and Maric's son is also killed by his true love, both because of suspicion that their first loyalty wasn't to Ferelden.  I didn't even know about Maric & Katriona when I did the Cousland run.  There certainly is precedent in the story already.



lol I bow down to you, Great One. And let's not forget...if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir. Still, I wonder if it was Anora or Cailan who was the real problem there. Puzzle. ;)

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And let's not forget...if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir.

Is it cheating if it's for the sole purpose of creating an heir so a power vacuum won't tear the country apart and she's agreed that it needs to be done? That's like saying Alistair cheated on the PC when he did the DR.

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Daneres wrote...
lol I bow down to you, Great One. And let's not forget...if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir. Still, I wonder if it was Anora or Cailan who was the real problem there. Puzzle. ;)


What?  What about Alistair's character makes this even remotely a possibility unless your PC queen somehow foces him to sleep with someone else to try for an heir?

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Daneres wrote...

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Play through a couple of times and executing Aliaster comes more or less natural, at least for me as its get to a point where i grow weary of his childishness, his lack of sense of responsibility and his humor gets tidious after a while.

But then again that is just me, but i could never consider putting him in a throne after getting to really know him. Plus his a bit of a hypocrit just to add to things.

EDIT: Duty/law only really apply to him forward people he doesnt like rest seem to matter less, which again adds to the point that his a hypocrit.



lol Again, I wish I would have read ahead a little more. Sorry, everyone, haven't been on the Net in over a week. :) I hear what you're saying and I agree with you. You love Alistair to pieces when you play through a couple of times but then you start to realize the he is quite childish and, yes, a little hypocritical. I will admit that I didn't really see all of the flaws in his character's personality until after I played Awakening. When you meet Anders and Nathaniel you just realized that their characters are stronger characters, both as people and as Grey Wardens in the end. At least the way I played them.


I agree.

Nathaniel is noble in the most pure sense, a good person who is polite and respectful. He didn't see his father for what he was.

Anders is a goof, but he's also a grown up.

Alistair never grew up.

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I must admit I'm of the same mind. Alistair was my favourite character in my first playthrough, but I began to like him less over time. I don't hate him by any means but I do grow weary of him.

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LadyDamodred wrote...

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My scenario involved the PC refusing to admit it was love, choosing to believe it was something else, which is quite possible to do.  People do it all the time.  They delude themselves into thinking a certain way in order to be able to cope.  The brain can protect its sanity in unusual ways and this would be one.  Eventually, however, it catches up with you, which is what would happen to that PC when the Blight was over.


Do you really think that's possible, though? I mean, you can say you're not in love, refusing to admit it to yourself, but if you actually are, would you be capable of killing that person? And the reverse, you could believe yourself to be in love, thinking of it as such, telling the person that you love them, but if you can kill them, doesn't that demonstrate that it's untrue?


Yes, it is very possible.  The mind is a very tricky thing.  If you believe something hard enough, it becomes true for you.  Or you can suppress it for a long time.  It's not you saying outloud you're not in love.  It's your mind desperately trying to protect itself, and when it's doing that, it is capable of remarkable things.  Especially when you're under loads of other stress and emotions.  Eventually, though, it will come crashing down.  You might have a psychotic break or a nervous breakdown.  I think the reverse is harder, pretending to feel something you don't than suppressing something you do feel.

In this case, the PC really does love him, but cannot admit it to herself because she is scared, thinks it weakens her, doesn't want to be hurt again.  So she forces the emotion away.  Maybe Alistair notices her becoming distant and the harder he tries to bridge it, the more distant she becomes.  So when the times comes, she "proves" that she doesn't love him by being willing to have him executed.  She doesn't *really* love him, so it won't hurt that bad, right?  And while she has something to distract her mind, it doesn't.  When there are no distractions left, however...


I get what you're trying to say. :) Did you take psychology, perhaps?

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I took some psychology like 10 years ago in college. My take on things come from just a general understanding of the human animal and being able to read into characters.

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You, yes. Me, I hope so too! My character however, I can see it as consistent and rational within her world view, so not insane in the least.

Though the point that the shock of Alistair's hissy fit would act as an instant "fall out of love" card, yes true. It would all hit her at once. Killing Alistair to prevent a rebellion in his name goes with the sacrifice of the few for the greater good shtick of the Grey Wardens. The blight is on, a loose cannon Alistair could cause the death of millions! Kill her love, save millions, blame self, hate self. Hmm.

The killing Alistair for the greater good HNF is tragic and more complex than insanity, and she blames herself not him. However I prefer more complexity than "insanity" when things go horribly awry. I guess it is knowing and working with plenty of mentally ill in my life. Sure, when evil, they are sensationally so, but that isn't common. Sometimes, also, people who believe themselves to be sane and try to act moral do horrific things based on world view or sometimes ignorance. I find that more interesting. With a true sociopath, you have to ask them how they got as far as they did before someone stopping them. For me, that calls for more plot twists and metagaming.

Though at that point it is personal preference. Right now I'm rereading Science Fiction authors like Octavia Butler, yet I am clueless when it comes to TV like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I was a long time paper&dice D&D DM. As a heavy reader, I like setting up more complex (novel style) motivations. If you prefer the motivations for your story to have the HNF that kills Alistair be insane, then that is how she should be. You have to understand your character and her motivations. I can understand my HNF, and feel very sad for her, and Alistair.



You are absolutely right. This, I think, is more common than say those who are diagnosed as mentally ill, making them the bigger threat. In regard to Dragon Age world, just look at Loghain's character. He thought he was in the right and killed thousands of people. I don't know if it was so much about power (though I'm sure it was the case, mostly) but about fear. If you've read the books you realize that he suffered in his past and regardless what anyone says, it does change a person, clouding their view on things. Killing thousands of people (or, letting them die, more so) is a little extreme, however; I just think his mind's veil of sanity finally snapped. :)

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Ehhh, allowing thousands of people to die so that more might be saved has nothing to do with sanity. It happens all the time in war. Look at WWII. I forget the actual names, but the allies allowed cities to be destroyed b/c they couldn't risk letting the ****s know they had cracked their codes. The cities could have been saved, but the decision was made that it would weaken them too much in the long run. As Loghain says, "Sacrifices were made."

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Daneres wrote...
..if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir. Still, I wonder if it was Anora or Cailan who was the real problem there. Puzzle. ;)


And a born to rule HNF would have insisted he cheat for an heir.  But, assuming we got there plot-wise that means she already insisted he cheat with Morrigan!  :huh:

I wondered the same thing with Anora/Cailan.  There is one dialog I got in a later character, I think the King's tent guard in Ostagar saying he suspected some hanky-panky between Cailan and the Empress.  Anora admits he had mistresses every time if asked.  Which brings up Loghain.  Yes, he did bad stuff .. but maybe the whole Orleasian fear was justified.  Maybe the Empress was working on Cailan, and the Orleasian army would "hang about" after the blight if he allowed them back.
The old saw ... just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't about to get you ... :whistle:

The writing of the dialog trees in the game is IMHO  very neat.  Depending on which ones you go through, various characters unfold giving different reactions.  There is no "right answer", but there is great replayability.   My HNF respected Anora, but the one run where Anora betrayed the PC in the Landsmeet, Oh that was hateful!  Anora was an evil conniving minx on that run.

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LadyDamodred wrote...

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lol I bow down to you, Great One. And let's not forget...if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir. Still, I wonder if it was Anora or Cailan who was the real problem there. Puzzle. ;)


What?  What about Alistair's character makes this even remotely a possibility unless your PC queen somehow foces him to sleep with someone else to try for an heir?



I'm just going by what Eamon was encouraging Cailan to do when you find his letters in RTO. Since Alistair, too, has a great deal of respect for Eamon and will probably take what he has to say in the future to heart (since it was him who raised him - if you can call it that - for ten years) out of obligation if anything else, I can't help but wonder if far away in the future in a future Dragon Age game you'll find remnants of similar letters to Alistair in your codex regarding him and his Human Noble Queen and confirmation that this happened. If she can't give him an heir (if two Grey Wardens having a child together is truly impossible, well...who knows). I don't trust Eamon. lol And after doing RTO I trusted him even less. And, alas, Alistair feels obligated to Eamon for everything he did for him. We shall see. :)

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Hechicera wrote...

Daneres wrote...
..if you make him king and marry him yourself as a Human Noble he's just going to end up cheating on you in the future, too, the same way Cailan did Anora, because she won't be able to give him an heir. Still, I wonder if it was Anora or Cailan who was the real problem there. Puzzle. ;)


And a born to rule HNF would have insisted he cheat for an heir.  But, assuming we got there plot-wise that means she already insisted he cheat with Morrigan!  :huh:

I wondered the same thing with Anora/Cailan.  There is one dialog I got in a later character, I think the King's tent guard in Ostagar saying he suspected some hanky-panky between Cailan and the Empress.  Anora admits he had mistresses every time if asked.  Which brings up Loghain.  Yes, he did bad stuff .. but maybe the whole Orleasian fear was justified.  Maybe the Empress was working on Cailan, and the Orleasian army would "hang about" after the blight if he allowed them back.
The old saw ... just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't about to get you ... :whistle:

The writing of the dialog trees in the game is IMHO  very neat.  Depending on which ones you go through, various characters unfold giving different reactions.  There is no "right answer", but there is great replayability.   My HNF respected Anora, but the one run where Anora betrayed the PC in the Landsmeet, Oh that was hateful!  Anora was an evil conniving minx on that run.


Ooh (with a snarl), I hated that too. After my very first playthrough when I had already finished the game with her on the throne, I went back over and over just to test different things and THAT pissed me off too. Like you said, lol, evil, conniving minx. I save her from her father (at least so we're led to believe) and she tells the people that it was me who kidnapped her and locked her away. That is unforgivable. And that smirk Loghain gives when she does, grrr. :)

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LadyDamodred wrote...

Ehhh, allowing thousands of people to die so that more might be saved has nothing to do with sanity. It happens all the time in war. Look at WWII. I forget the actual names, but the allies allowed cities to be destroyed b/c they couldn't risk letting the ****s know they had cracked their codes. The cities could have been saved, but the decision was made that it would weaken them too much in the long run. As Loghain says, "Sacrifices were made."


Yeah, war is ugly.. without those sacrifices, the war could have turned out a lot differently too. The axis powers were a terribly insidious and cunning collection of enemies.

Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 05:14 .


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I think Eamon is well aware that my PC queen will GUT him if he tries that sh*t. And I think Alistiar listens to his pc queen far more than Eamon. And that he would have even less luck with getting Alistair to find a new wife or cheat on his wife considering how deeply in loe alistair is with the pc.

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I wondered the same thing with Anora/Cailan. There is one dialog I got in a later character, I think the King's tent guard in Ostagar saying he suspected some hanky-panky between Cailan and the Empress. Anora admits he had mistresses every time if asked. Which brings up Loghain. Yes, he did bad stuff .. but maybe the whole Orleasian fear was justified. Maybe the Empress was working on Cailan, and the Orleasian army would "hang about" after the blight if he allowed them back.





I haven't gotten to the Landsmeet yet in my games since I've been able to play Ostagar (could only do so after I got Awakening and it upgraded me to version 1.3) but I was wondering if there would be any reference to that after playing it when you talk to Anora. I'm glad to hear that there is. I feel bad for her, as much as I dislike her (but I respect her too). I know a lot of people might not agree, lol, but I've always firmly believed that when two people are in a relationship you're with that person and no one else. If you have the need to be with someone else, do the person you're with the courtesy of ending it with them. I've never been cheated on myself in real life, it's just what I've always believed. :) I know that I could never do it, or live with myself if I was weak enough to do so. It could just be me, I don't know. lol As I've mentioned in other threads...my parents have been married for 41 years, so...I guess. And sorry for carrying on, by the way, lol.

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LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Eamon is well aware that my PC queen will GUT him if he tries that sh*t. And I think Alistiar listens to his pc queen far more than Eamon. And that he would have even less luck with getting Alistair to find a new wife or cheat on his wife considering how deeply in loe alistair is with the pc.


lol I'm glad you think so. Positive thoughts are good. :) Keep them coming.

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It's not necessarily the power of positive thinking. I think Eamon has to look at both who and what my pc queen is. She is terrifying. And Alistair, who is terrifying in his own right, loves her more than anything else in the world. Would *you* like to broach the subject of finding a new wifey with either of them?

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LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Eamon is well aware that my PC queen will GUT him if he tries that sh*t. And I think Alistiar listens to his pc queen far more than Eamon. And that he would have even less luck with getting Alistair to find a new wife or cheat on his wife considering how deeply in loe alistair is with the pc.


In love enough to abandon her forever if she chooses to show mercy to Loghain.

He hates Loghain more than he loves the Warden. Not the kind of guy I look for, certainly.

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Aisynia wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Eamon is well aware that my PC queen will GUT him if he tries that sh*t. And I think Alistiar listens to his pc queen far more than Eamon. And that he would have even less luck with getting Alistair to find a new wife or cheat on his wife considering how deeply in loe alistair is with the pc.


In love enough to abandon her forever if she chooses to show mercy to Loghain.

He hates Loghain more than he loves the Warden. Not the kind of guy I look for, certainly.


Well, he leaves after I stab him in the back, yes.  I can't really blame the guy.  If my pc does that, especially if she loves him, she doesn't really deserve him.  As I've pointed out in other places, my pc would have done the same thing if Alistair had done that with Howe.

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Aisynia wrote...
In love enough to abandon her forever if she chooses to show mercy to Loghain.

He hates Loghain more than he loves the Warden. Not the kind of guy I look for, certainly.


I agree with you.
It's not only leaving her. It's leaving her to fight the blight on her own, instead of standing with her and protecting her. Because he thinks she somehow betrayed him (All I see is him betraying her).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2010 - 06:00 .