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[InStereoWhereAvailable]

Not as in resurrection, but in terms of a human scale Big-Bad. While we all know that ME3 will likely culminate in a huge space battle consisting of the Reapers against the collected forces of the galaxy, there has to be a foe that Shepard can fight personally. To use a (sloppy) Star Wars analogy, the Reapers are like giant, sentient Death Stars. Shepard needs a Darth Vader to fight while his allies have the big-space-battle-for-the-fate-of-the-galaxy outside. Saren fit this mold well, giving a face to evil that the Reapers simply cannot provide. He was someone to direct our hatred towards. The Reapers are faceless, giant, metal Space-Cthulhu, and it is more difficult to properly think of them as "The Bad Guys". The Collectors had more of a face than the Reapers. They were a face to hate. An enemy to fight. You can't fight a Reaper on foot. We need a "Vader", or a "Saren" that we can fight, face-to-face. An Embodiment Of Evil.

My suggestion? The Illusive Man. Why? Because in my view, it makes sense. TIM is obsessed with power, willing to do whatever it takes to further humanity, which, of course, means Cerberus. Allying with the Reapers seems like something he would do, if only to further his own goals. Perhaps he, as Saren before him, believed himself useful, or strong enough to resist indoctrination.

Well, that is my first wall of text on this forum, and if this was done before, well then I don't care. I tried searching, and nothing popped up, but then I think the thing bugged out on me. Please post your thoughts and all that good stuff. And please, please don't hate me.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't think it would be TIM. I would prefer a more mobile antagonist rather than say one who is pulling the strings as TIM would be more like Sovereign than Saren.

[kraidy1117]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I don't think it would be TIM. I would prefer a more mobile antagonist rather than say one who is pulling the strings as TIM would be more like Sovereign than Saren.

He just nailed it.

[charliekrad]

YES

[InStereoWhereAvailable]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I don't think it would be TIM. I would prefer a more mobile antagonist rather than say one who is pulling the strings as TIM would be more like Sovereign than Saren.

He just nailed it.

Okay, my idea is flawed. Who do you guys think would make a good Vader type character? (Insert Friendly Smile Here)

[Ray Joel Oh]

Yeah, I thought that was really missing from ME2. Without a face behind the evil, it's harder to get emotional about the bad guys.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 18 avril 2010 - 01:02 .

[Collider]

Considering how I can't think of anyone who would fit that role, a new face seems to be better. Like Onyx said, TIM is too behind the scenes to be Saren.

[Collider]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Yeah, I thought that was really missing from ME2. Without a face behind the evil, it's harder to get emotional about the bad guys.

I tended to view the "villain" of ME2 to be the problem of recruiting these people and gaining their loyalty, all the while keeping them cohesive and alive. It worked for ME2, but it won't work for ME3 as the main adversary.

[Nu-Nu]

I don't think TIM is going to side with the reapers, I think he's there for people going down the renegade path, so him being the new "saren" is probaly not going to happen.



I don't know if I want to go chasing another Saren round the universe again. We followed him in me1 because we didn't have any answers. But shepard has a lot more info now when you saw the datapad at the end of me2, so the only thing I see her doing is trying to find a weapon or come up with a plan to stop them. Maybe finding out more why the protheans lost and not make the same mistakes.



And I can't see the reapers sending just one person after the harm she did to them. I don't want to fight another "saren" as the last battle of the trilogy, I want to fight the reapers.

[GodWood]

Well if we do get a Saren like antagonist I hope we actually get to see him enough to establish a proper rivalry between Shepard and whoever it is.
Because in ME1 we only really met Saren face to face twice, which even though I thought Saren was an epic bad guy (he was awesome in Revelation) I just thought there wasn't enough of a proper rivalry between him and the player.

I personally think the Council will declare Shepard rogue in ME3 and we'll have to deal with another spectre hunting Shepard down and hopefully throughout the course of the game we'll have multiple encounters with said spectre while Shepard is busy running around the galaxy trying to find a way to stop the Reapers.

Modifié par GodWood, 18 avril 2010 - 01:07 .

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Considering how I can't think of anyone who would fit that role, a new face seems to be better. Like Onyx said, TIM is too behind the scenes to be Saren.

Not to mention the choice to kill TIm might come near the middle of the game (we know he is going to be a big player in the game and Bioware will most likely give the choice to kill TIM)

[Collider]

@Nu-Nu The Reapers are insanely boring though.

Modifié par Collider, 18 avril 2010 - 01:05 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 18 avril 2010 - 01:07 .

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

@Nu-Nu The Reapers are insanely boring though.

I personaly find the The Quarian/Geth conflict and the Genophage plot better then the Reaper conflict, is that sad?

[Collider]

GodWood wrote...

Well if we do get a Saren like antagonist I hope we actually get to see him enough to establish a proper rivalry between Shepard and whoever it is.
Because in ME1 we only really met Saren face to face twice, which even though I thought Saren was an epic bad guy (he was awesome in Revelation) I just thought there wasn't enough of a proper rivalry between him and the player.

I really liked how Saren pissed the player off during his "trial." It really made him the villain you love to hate, because the Council was listening to Saren even though you know Saren was full of ****. That frustration, tension, and manipulation can make for a great villain.

I personally think the Council will declare Shepard rogue in ME3 and we'll have to deal with another spectre hunting Shepard down and hopefully throughout the course of the game we'll have multiple encounters with said spectre.

Not a bad idea. Technically, though, Shepard is no longer a Spectre if you made certain decisions so declaring him rogue isn't exactly fitting with all playthroughs.

[GothamLord]

I vote for Paul Grayson. Obviously I might be jumping the gun here since the new novel hasn't come out yet. But the premise of TIM getting revenge on him and infusing with Reaper tech could be a major setup for something similar. Now Id much rather this now happen to Paul but I want the character to get into ME3 so I'm willing to let me go evil so long as we get a moment of redemption at the end again. Maybe a paragon option of having paul trigger a deadly pulse back through the reaper network killing himself in the process. Though that might be cliche seeing as we could talk Saren into shooting himself too.

[kraidy1117]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

I found TIm alot better because through out the whole game you talk to him and you know he knows more then letting on and you are always battling your insitincs (should I trust this man?) Thats why I loved TIM, and why he is one of my fav characters ever in a video game.

[Collider]

Good point Splinter and Kraidy. You can view TIM as an antagonist too. He seems to be a habitual liar and is always one step ahead of you...aside from when you destroy the base. There may be definite problems there.

[Splinter Cell 108]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

I found TIm alot better because through out the whole game you talk to him and you know he knows more then letting on and you are always battling your insitincs (should I trust this man?) Thats why I loved TIM, and why he is one of my fav characters ever in a video game.

I prefer Saren though probably just because he's an alien and we know more about him. TIM is a shady character like the Shadow Broker, Miranda's Father and Mr. Thax. That's what makes him really interesting plus the fact that the only time he gets really angry is at the end if you destroy the Collector Base.

[Tooneyman]

I hate to say this but Tim is a side boss to hate. Hes not the type of main character. I mean yeah in ME 2 he plays some what of a big role and hes probably going to hut you down in the next game if you betrayed him, but I he doesn't seem very large when it comes to main story. I mean we really don't know who bioware will put on as the face of the evil baddy. I have a feeling though its someone who didn't die in the series. If they make it someone who I'm thinking for her goal I think it would be worthy. Liara maybe after the shadow broker, but lets see how far shes willing to push her goal. It would be the ultimate fight. Stop her from joining the reapers and save her soul or forget her old love and kill the B finally! haha!

[Collider]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

I found TIm alot better because through out the whole game you talk to him and you know he knows more then letting on and you are always battling your insitincs (should I trust this man?) Thats why I loved TIM, and why he is one of my fav characters ever in a video game.

I prefer Saren though probably just because he's an alien and we know more about him. TIM is a shady character like the Shadow Broker, Miranda's Father and Mr. Thax. That's what makes him really interesting plus the fact that the only time he gets really angry is at the end if you destroy the Collector Base.

You can say the fact that he rarely gets angry is part of the reason why he's such a great antagonist or villain. He always has his composure, he always has everything planned out, he's always one step ahead of you. Nearly nothing you can say upsets him.

[NoUserNameHere]

A human face to the Reaper threat would be nice. Plus, it'd give us a cool new villain to put on the box art.

[GodWood]

Collider wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I personally think the Council will declare Shepard rogue in ME3 and we'll have to deal with another spectre hunting Shepard down and hopefully throughout the course of the game we'll have multiple encounters with said spectre.

Not a bad idea. Technically, though, Shepard is no longer a Spectre if you made certain decisions so declaring him rogue isn't exactly fitting with all playthroughs.

It wouldn't be too hard really.
If you were a spectre you're declared rogue and are to be hunted down and be brought to justice.
If you were not a spectre you are declared a threat to galactic peace and are to be hunted down and brought to justice. 

Modifié par GodWood, 18 avril 2010 - 01:19 .

[InStereoWhereAvailable]

Collider wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

I found TIm alot better because through out the whole game you talk to him and you know he knows more then letting on and you are always battling your insitincs (should I trust this man?) Thats why I loved TIM, and why he is one of my fav characters ever in a video game.

I prefer Saren though probably just because he's an alien and we know more about him. TIM is a shady character like the Shadow Broker, Miranda's Father and Mr. Thax. That's what makes him really interesting plus the fact that the only time he gets really angry is at the end if you destroy the Collector Base.

You can say the fact that he rarely gets angry is part of the reason why he's such a great antagonist or villain. He always has his composure, he always has everything planned out, he's always one step ahead of you. Nearly nothing you can say upsets him.

Which is why I associate him with being like Darth Vader. They both seem to share those qualities. Always a step ahead, always composed, everything is always perfectly planned out. And if someone messes with his plans, whether by inaction or on purpose, he kills them. The Ultimate Villian.

Modifié par InStereoWhereAvailable, 18 avril 2010 - 01:21 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Collider wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

ME2 didn't have a cool villain. Sure there's Harbinger but it's not the same especially when he's not present. That's one of the things I miss about ME1, Saren. However I think Saren is probably irreplaceable and in ME2 it seemed to me like the villain was TIM (at least for paragons) with all his ideas. TIM feels different but just as great as Saren.

I found TIm alot better because through out the whole game you talk to him and you know he knows more then letting on and you are always battling your insitincs (should I trust this man?) Thats why I loved TIM, and why he is one of my fav characters ever in a video game.

I prefer Saren though probably just because he's an alien and we know more about him. TIM is a shady character like the Shadow Broker, Miranda's Father and Mr. Thax. That's what makes him really interesting plus the fact that the only time he gets really angry is at the end if you destroy the Collector Base.

You can say the fact that he rarely gets angry is part of the reason why he's such a great antagonist or villain. He always has his composure, he always has everything planned out, he's always one step ahead of you. Nearly nothing you can say upsets him.

Yes the only thing he didn't plan was that Shepard would double cross him (if you're paragon). Saren was cool because he wasn't really bad he was just a little nuts. Most of the bad things that happened to him happened because he couldn't get over his brother's death. TIM on the other hand, is completely unknown. I want to find out about his past, nobody even remembers his real name.