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[Solomen]

One word... Udina



Senator Palp.... I mean Udina, we have some papers for you to sign.

[SnakeStrike8]

InStereoWhereAvailable wrote...

Not as in resurrection, but in terms of a human scale Big-Bad. While we all know that ME3 will likely culminate in a huge space battle consisting of the Reapers against the collected forces of the galaxy, there has to be a foe that Shepard can fight personally. To use a (sloppy) Star Wars analogy, the Reapers are like giant, sentient Death Stars. Shepard needs a Darth Vader to fight while his allies have the big-space-battle-for-the-fate-of-the-galaxy outside. Saren fit this mold well, giving a face to evil that the Reapers simply cannot provide. He was someone to direct our hatred towards. The Reapers are faceless, giant, metal Space-Cthulhu, and it is more difficult to properly think of them as "The Bad Guys". The Collectors had more of a face than the Reapers. They were a face to hate. An enemy to fight. You can't fight a Reaper on foot. We need a "Vader", or a "Saren" that we can fight, face-to-face. An Embodiment Of Evil.

Why? I want a giant space battle that I can lead.
One-on-one boss fights work sometimes, but not all the time. One thing I hated about ME 2 was how everyone seemed to have credited Shepard-Commander with slotting Sovereign. No, he did not. The Fleet of spaceships unloading tactical nukes into Sovereign got the kill.
I'll admit, it's cool to be considered the slayer of Reapers, but I'd much rather lead a wave of dreadnoughts rather than fight min-Reapers that somehow die when I fill them with my pea-sized metal fragments.

[bandfred]

Admiral Hackett.



I called it

[7th_Phoenix]

bandfred wrote...

Admiral Hackett.

I called it

[smudboy]

I just want an antagonist whose motives are clear.

[kraidy1117]

smudboy wrote...

I just want an antagonist whose motives are clear.

Sarens motives where clear, TIMs motives are clear, the Reapers motives will be clear in ME3.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

kraidy1117 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I just want an antagonist whose motives are clear.

Sarens motives where clear, TIMs motives are clear, the Reapers motives will be clear in ME3.

reapers motives were clear in ME1. They want to kill us all. Just how they are going to do it is the question.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 18 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[kraidy1117]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I just want an antagonist whose motives are clear.

Sarens motives where clear, TIMs motives are clear, the Reapers motives will be clear in ME3.

reapers motives were clear in ME1. They want to kill us all. >.>

Theres more to it then that, but we will find out in ME3.

[DaVanguard]

if its a specter let it be blasto

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

After reading the Mass Effect Redemption comic (which was otherwise kinda meh), I'm thinking it might be the Shadow Broker. He's probably been indoctrinated by the Collectors after screwing up their deal for Shepard's body, and now he's using his men, resources and contacts to attack Shepard & Cerberus. It would also give TIM a reason not to use the big red "Normandy Self-Destruct" button he probably had installed in his office after you betrayed him (if you betrayed him) on the suicide mission.

[glasgoo21]

This is an often recurring subject. Indeed ME2 feels a bit empty with regards to an opposing protagonist. We need a 'Darth Vader'

[Archereon]

Collider wrote...

@Nu-Nu The Reapers are insanely boring though.

If I must tear you apart Shepard, I will.

[Rocket Weazle]

Surely the Reaper-fied Paul Grayson will sufice as a good primary antagonist?
A: He has a plot that connects lots of characters,
B: he will want to bring the Reapers back.
C: He has a tragic element to his charactar, giving us sympathy for him.

Modifié par Rocket Weazle, 18 avril 2010 - 03:14 .

[Frekken]

I'm gonna go with Liara as my guess (assuming we've even met the next villain). Given her darker arc she looks like she might be one of those fall from grace with final redemption types. Shes the character we have the closest connection with that spans the series and is definitely alive.

[NICKjnp]

That would be Renegade Shepard.

[sage_viper]

ME3 needs a plot...

But I agree. ME3 needs a true single-character protagonist so it doesn't feel like you're facing an entire army.

Modifié par sage_viper, 18 avril 2010 - 03:50 .

[Sursion]

I felt bad for Saren after he commited suicide. I'm well aware of what a heartless bastard he was before the indoctrination, but he was honestly trying to save the galaxy. Hearing him say "Thank you, Shepard".... :'(



Anyways, I think Harbinger was the main antagonist of ME2. The Illusive Man will probably the emperor palpatine of ME3 (since he's probably not that great at fighting).

[Archereon]

Frekken wrote...

I'm gonna go with Liara as my guess (assuming we've even met the next villain). Given her darker arc she looks like she might be one of those fall from grace with final redemption types. Shes the character we have the closest connection with that spans the series and is definitely alive.

If your going for shock value of the faces of obsessive fans, go for Tali.

[Pinkflamingo22]

WHOA, first off, we all agree TIM is kinda a ******. However I would not go as far to say TIM would ally himself with the Reapers. That's ridiculous. TIM hates the Reapers, just as much as Shepard and his crew. The difference between the two is TIM will go to the extremes to stop them, where even renegade Shepard has some boundries.

I think its safe to say that while TIM may be an enemy in ME3, it will NOT be because he allied himself with the Reapers.

Modifié par Pinkflamingo22, 18 avril 2010 - 04:08 .

[Koen Casier]

GodWood wrote...

Collider wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I personally think the Council will declare Shepard rogue in ME3 and we'll have to deal with another spectre hunting Shepard down and hopefully throughout the course of the game we'll have multiple encounters with said spectre.

Not a bad idea. Technically, though, Shepard is no longer a Spectre if you made certain decisions so declaring him rogue isn't exactly fitting with all playthroughs.

It wouldn't be too hard really.
If you were a spectre you're declared rogue and are to be hunted down and be brought to justice.
If you were not a spectre you are declared a threat to galactic peace and are to be hunted down and brought to justice. 

I hope not, it would have negative game mechanically consequences:

• It would probably get predictable (e.g. after every Core Mission a chance for an encounter)
• It would feel restrictive e.g. would raise the question why can't I just shoot that spectre and get it over with. (how many times are you willing to believe that the enemy specter succeeds in escaping, or that you allow him/her to go).
• You wouldn't feel threatened after a while. Initially you might think about it as a mini-boss battle but as you encounter the specter again you would begin to have a "been there, done that".

I would like to have a face to place on the enemy, preferably someone who is capable of free-will instead of a indoctrinated slave.

As for Saren returning, I hope not he was a great character and if there is prequel I would absolutely love to interact with him but he is dead in the Me3 continuity.

But me3 is a BioWare game and if their previous game's are any indications then main villains that die in the first act of the arc will return in the last act as either an NPC or even a squad mate so while I disapprove, I would not be surprised if you encounter a Saren clone with his memories or a Nazara copy in a body (containing only it's gestalt personality and not it's individual component programs) or even an gestalt that combines both Saren and Nazara personality and depending on either your paragon or renegade chooses one of the two personalities begins to dominates.  But that is just crazy BioWare would never do that 

[Kerilus]

Sursion wrote...

I felt bad for Saren after he commited suicide. I'm well aware of what a heartless bastard he was before the indoctrination, but he was honestly trying to save the galaxy. Hearing him say "Thank you, Shepard".... :'(

Anyways, I think Harbinger was the main antagonist of ME2. The Illusive Man will probably the emperor palpatine of ME3 (since he's probably not that great at fighting).

Although I too felt sorry for Saren after he commited suicide, I think this weakened his role as an antagonist. I'd like to see a new Vader-like figure with an iron will about his/her course and cannot be persuaded to do otherwise, while their point of view could be somewhat agreeable/reasonable to us. And in the end, only in a memorable battle may the victor prove himself true.

[salfiert]

seriously there is only one guy who can fill sarens shoes as mass effects main villain



biotic god



he is a great wind that will sweep away all before him like a...great biotic wind



be afraid puny mortals

[cronshaw8]

I don't feel the need for a "face" to the Evil. I liked Saren as a villain, but to me the real villain in ME1 was Sovereign. For me a faceless, unknowable (or maybe just unknown) evil is vastly more frightening than a villain with reasons. But perhaps I've read too much HP Lovecraft. Just look at your interactions in ME1. Saren, despite everything can be reasoned with: persuaded. What happens when you try to reason with Sovereign? "This exchange is over."

Modifié par cronshaw8, 18 avril 2010 - 04:50 .

[A1ANDY]

I think we probably will get another main antagonist. The next foot soldiers in ME3 will mostly likely have someone at top pulling the strings.

[sage_viper]

Harbinger was hardly an antagonist, you never really met him face to face, only when he took control of a Collector. Then you killed him I guess after blowing up that Human Reaper thing... That ending was just kinda silly, I think.



But TIM would make a good antagonist, of course not siding with the Reapers, but he'd probably try swindling victories for Shepherd and Co. and try to make them his own.



Though, if BioWare keeps heading in the same direction design-wise as they were in ME2, ME3 will consist of building a team (again), being pestered by Cerberus, all while saving the galaxy from giant robots. It just wouldn't have much depth at all.



Though, hopefully ME2 is just a bridge to a deep and strong-plotted finale that is very complex in its workings.