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[LumpOfCole]

I can see how an ELF would kill him. Slavery such a touchy subject and all >.>

[RazorrX]

Yep. In my mind, when I killed him I pictured whispering in his ear how his daughter was going to dissapear from the tower - to be sold as a ****.

[LumpOfCole]

Maybe he was trying to ship all the pretty ones out of the sight of Cailin - we know how much that family has a thing for elves.

[Xover]

I always wondered, What in the hell happened to Maric, how did he die? Is Bioware going to explain that question.

[RazorrX]

Most likely, the taint finally got him. He long suspected that Rowan died from it (got it in deep roads possibly). Could be that the second trip finally caused him to get it.



You can not venture into the Deep Roads without risking death . . . one way or another.

[LumpOfCole]

I think Bioware left that question ambiguous for a reason - might be explored in a future DLC pack or something.

[LumpOfCole]

Also of note is how Loghain proclaims his hatred of Orlesians turning Ferelden citizens into slaves - major double standard there.

[jeckaldied]

I always personally thought it was Howe who had approved the slave trade behind Loghain's back. Honestly, Loghain is about the least likely personto take a bribe like that...ever...

[RazorrX]

When he was confronted with it he justified it by saying how this is war and war needs sacrifices, money, etc.



He was 100% with it.

[Isaantia]

I loved Loghain in the books. I so wanted he and Rowan to get together. So very much.



However, my human noble has no problem with killing Loghain. Partially for revenge, partially for Ferelden and partially because secretly she has her own designs on power. Just perhaps.



I only wished the Howe death had been more satisfying. I would have loved to tried out that dungeon equipment on him. Ah well thats what fanfic is for right?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I despised Loghain in the books. I despised him even more in the game. He sold his own people into slavery to fund mercenary forces and fund his campaign. He's a clear-cut villain, and an insanely self-righteous one at that.

I expected the game to make me respect him in at least some way, but nope. It just reaffirmed why I hated him in the books, and I killed him. Then I reloaded and let Alistair kill him. Then I reloaded and let him live, hoping he'd die in the joining. I talked to him a little in camp, hated him 10x more, and reloaded my file again to do my official choice of letting Alistair kill him.

The game may as well have ended for me right there. Even slaying the Archdemon was less satisfying than killing that pile of garbage named Loghain.

[LumpOfCole]

I'm guessing you're not a fan of Loghain

[Poubo]

I liked Loghain, probably more than Maric, especially after Katriel...



even though i dont agree with the slavery of the elves, it's not like the elves were any better, they hate humans because they are humans, fanatics... *sigh*

[RavenholmeCP42]

Poubo wrote...

I liked Loghain, probably more than Maric, especially after Katriel...

even though i dont agree with the slavery of the elves, it's not like the elves were any better, they hate humans because they are humans, fanatics... *sigh*

Might have something to do with the fact that humans destroyed their homeland (The Tevinter Imperium perpetrated this one), then humans destroying the homeland that Andraste (The Great March cleansing of the Dales) gave them under false pretexts, and then making them live as second-class (Though that term barely does it justice) citizens in their cities.

Play the City Elf origin for a good look at that.

And... Loghain is a bastard. I read both novels, and I liked him at first, but by the end of The Stolen Throne, I hated him. 

Modifié par RavenholmeCP42, 10 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[Poubo]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Poubo wrote...

I liked Loghain, probably more than Maric, especially after Katriel...

even though i dont agree with the slavery of the elves, it's not like the elves were any better, they hate humans because they are humans, fanatics... *sigh*

Might have something to do with the fact that humans destroyed their homeland (The Tevinter Imperium perpetrated this one), then humans destroying the homeland that Andraste (The Great March cleansing of the Dales) gave them under false pretexts, and then making them live as second-class (Though that term barely does it justice) citizens in their cities.

Play the City Elf origin for a good look at that.

And... Loghain is a bastard. I read both novels, and I liked him at first, but by the end of The Stolen Throne, I hated him. 

i read everything i could about the elven history, but hating an entire race due to the actions of 1 empire is a bit too far. The hatred was shown in the keeper in the game aswell, that he was willing to keep the humans as werewolves even though they werent the same humans...i could understand if they shared no love for the empire or people that mis-treated them. but it wasn't everyone. show a stranger hatred and anger and thats all you'll receive in response.

[Gavmundo]

I have The Stolen Throne but am still reading a Steven Erikson book at the moment so haven't started it yet but thanks for the heads up lol

[RavenholmeCP42]

Poubo wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Poubo wrote...

I liked Loghain, probably more than Maric, especially after Katriel...

even though i dont agree with the slavery of the elves, it's not like the elves were any better, they hate humans because they are humans, fanatics... *sigh*

Might have something to do with the fact that humans destroyed their homeland (The Tevinter Imperium perpetrated this one), then humans destroying the homeland that Andraste (The Great March cleansing of the Dales) gave them under false pretexts, and then making them live as second-class (Though that term barely does it justice) citizens in their cities.

Play the City Elf origin for a good look at that.

And... Loghain is a bastard. I read both novels, and I liked him at first, but by the end of The Stolen Throne, I hated him. 

i read everything i could about the elven history, but hating an entire race due to the actions of 1 empire is a bit too far. The hatred was shown in the keeper in the game aswell, that he was willing to keep the humans as werewolves even though they werent the same humans...i could understand if they shared no love for the empire or people that mis-treated them. but it wasn't everyone. show a stranger hatred and anger and thats all you'll receive in response.

But it's not just one empire, the Great March was led by the Chantry, which had spread to all realms in the known world. Sure it was led from Orlais, but it was ALL the chantries and countries lending their troops to the crusade.

[Auracounts]

I have not read these books to which you all refer. 

Am I alone here, or was I really the only one who liked Alistair?  Great voice acting, and provided a lot of the game's more humorous moments, to me anyway.

In any event, I killed Loghain.  I was convinced through half the game that he must have been tainted by darkspawn or a demon, because he struck me as so irrational.

I also was playing for the "good" path and wanted the happy ending.  I killed Loghain, made Alistair King and made myself his queen. 

Oh yea, I also made him sleep with Morrigan so we could live happily ever after. >.>

[LumpOfCole]

In my personal story, there's a Great March in the planning on Orzammar.. oops

[Athran1]

I read The Stolen Throne before starting my first playthrough and still have to read The Calling.

I must admit, as the camera focused on Loghain at the end of the battle planning at Ostagar and I saw his facial expression, Flemeth's words "Keep him close and he'll betray you, each time worse than the last." sprung to mind. And I felt something twisting me inside. This is one of the best, if not THE best single player RPG full of lore and continuity between books-game tha I have ever played.

Regarding Loghain, at the beginning of Stolen Throne I really liked the character, and by the end I had my doubts about him. Not hating him, but not as fan-boyish as I was at the start. Still, during the years I came to like more the "dark" heroes than the "paladin archetype" ones, even if to be fair, without the latter kind there would not be any "happily ever after" endings.

To me, during the game Loghain appears as a man turned unreasonable by his paranoia with Orlais, although my human noble hated him heartily for a good portion of the playthrough. When I got to the Landsmeet I was surprised to find out that my character could not bare to kill him, despite this meaning Alistair would leave. I let him live and allowed him to sacrifice himself in killing the Archdemon (I did not accept Morrigan's ritual despite I romanced her).



All in all I guess everyone will see Loghain in a different way, and (as I said on another post) I give you a 20 out 10, Mr.Gaider, to have created such wonderful and living characters that make us players care for them (or hate) so much.

[LumpOfCole]

Loghain really isn't a fan of Orlais, that's for sure.

[Sejborg]

I understand Loghains action. I really don't see him as being irrational or paranoid. Caillan was irrational. He just wanted to be a living legend and was fixed on glory. Caillan was a stupid leader. Maric had more reason in his mind. At one point in the stolen throne Loghain and Rowan leaves their positions in the battlefield to save Maric from an ambush. That action could possibly have destroyed all the rebel armies, and then a living Maric wouldn't have made any difference.



Maric tells this, and Loghain understands. Loghains agenda from here on is now to save Ferelden, and not just Maric. Caillan just wanted to be a living legend like Maric, and he wasn't thinking on Fereldens greater good. Caillan thought about himself and his glory and his agenda was to be a living legend like his father. Loghains agenda was to save Ferelden.



Orlais could not be trusted. Come on. They have been occupying Ferelden not long ago, and when Maric won back the throne, they continued to send assassins to kill Maric. Having Orlais armies running around in Ferelden, would be to hand over the throne on a silver plate.



The grey wardens agenda is not to save Ferelden. It is to stop the blight. If that meant the end of Ferelden, then so be it. They could really not be trusted to lead Ferelden into battle. So who was really left to make the right choice for Ferelden besides Loghain?





On my first play through I had Alistair kill Loghain because I was a Grey Warden and I needed to stop the blight as soon as possible. That would be easier with Loghain out of the way I thought. I was a mage so I had no stake in Ferelden after being a prisoner all life in the Circle of magi, so I was a perfect Grey Warden with a simple agenda. Stop the blight.



On my current play, I am a human noble who don’t want to be a Grey Warden. I think I will let Loghain live this time. Howe is my real enemy this time around. Howe is insane it seems?

[Lotion Soronarr]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Maric killed Katriel in very similar fashion: full of emotion and passion. I didn't want Alistair living with himself like that. The way he stomped off forever in protest wa not the kind of guy I want at my side slaying the archdemon.

But didn't Katriel love Maric (and vice-versa)?
I kinda don't see any love between Al and Loghain...and frankly no parallel at all.

[Lotion Soronarr]

jeckaldied wrote...

Before reading the stolen throne, what little we had seen of Loghain in the tower of ishal game play demo made me think he was just a stereo typical jerk. After reading it however, I became a huge Loghain fan boy, he was abrasive, and was not good with people, but he had such a deep love for lord and country, he was even willing to hurt that lord to try to make him a more effective ruler.

What makes someone a more effective or better rules is very debatable. Loghains insistance that it's his way or no way is what makes me hate the guy. The Katriel issue could have been handeled in so many different ways. But noooo.