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[ladyshara]

Technically there is long hair, it's just in a bun. *runs*



Seriously, I don't mind not having long hair options but it would be nice to have better short ones to pick from.

[Cascadus]

Darth Drago wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Facial hair doesn't get in the way of shots. Long-hair does. Why do people never comprehend that this is simply common sense. You people are honestly telling me that, if you face off against an enemy, and suddenly your bangs get in the way of your shot, you miss and you're promptly shot dead, but who cares, when you look good, right? And with fully-sealed environment helmets, it gets very hard to clear it from your eyes.
Current military protocol doesn't restrict long-hair for no reason other than protocol, and there's also a reason why they've recently relaxed protocol on beards. Regardless, you're assuming that Alliance military protocol restricts beards, it never seemed like it to me. I saw plenty of soldiers with beards in both games.

Tell her that… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225912/Combat-Barbie-Soldier-new-Miss-England-Linford-Christies-niece-hands-crown-nightclub-brawl.html

Apparently someone already told her, seeing as she's put it in a bun.

gmartin40 wrote...

Hair will not fall over the eyebrows or extend below the bottom edge of
the collar at any time during normal activity or when standing in
formation.

Source
She's either not following protocol or she's left it out like that simply for the purposes of that picture.

[askanec]

Is that a real soldier, or just someone playing dress-up? The backpack is secured so loosely the straps will just slip when she walks around. Moreover, the backpack looks flat and empty. I bet there's nothing but air inside those water bottles too.

[7th_Phoenix]

It makes sense. Short hair is practical in a game like this and I prefer it.



I have long hair in real life and I usually always wear it in a bun 'cause I'm on the go with school and classes.

[Darth Drago]

Cascadus wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Facial hair doesn't get in the way of shots. Long-hair does. Why do people never comprehend that this is simply common sense. You people are honestly telling me that, if you face off against an enemy, and suddenly your bangs get in the way of your shot, you miss and you're promptly shot dead, but who cares, when you look good, right? And with fully-sealed environment helmets, it gets very hard to clear it from your eyes.
Current military protocol doesn't restrict long-hair for no reason other than protocol, and there's also a reason why they've recently relaxed protocol on beards. Regardless, you're assuming that Alliance military protocol restricts beards, it never seemed like it to me. I saw plenty of soldiers with beards in both games.

Tell her that… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225912/Combat-Barbie-Soldier-new-Miss-England-Linford-Christies-niece-hands-crown-nightclub-brawl.html

Apparently someone already told her, seeing as she's put it in a bun.

-True but it still makes it a point that a female Shepard can indeed have long hair.

But this is all besides the point since the last time I checked Shepard works for Cerberus now who is not technically a military organization.

That and after spending sometime on a slab in a lab its not unlikely to believe that her hair grew out a bit. Besides a proper dose of hair spray should hold any stray hair in place and out of the face.

…ok I got to get some air, I just rhymed twice in what I just said up there.

[Cascadus]

Yeah, Shepard can have long-hair. It's one of the hair-style options, after all. Confused? Well, remember how she keeps it in a bun?
And Cerberus not being strictly military doesn't mean anything. Again, common sense dictates you *don't* want anything in your eyes when you're trying to get a shot in. Thus, you either keep it short or bundle it up. It's not protocol for the sake of it. It's there for a reason.

Modifié par Cascadus, 19 avril 2010 - 03:04 .

[Ryzaki]

Cascadus wrote...

Yeah, Shepard can have long-hair. It's one of the hair-style options, after all. Confused? Well, remember how she keeps it in a bun?
And Cerberus not being strictly military doesn't mean anything. Again, common sense dictates you *don't* want anything in your eyes when you're trying to get a shot in. Thus, you either keep it short or bundle it up. It's not protocol for the sake of it. It's there for a reason.

Considering Samara and Miranda are running around in heels during combat and Jack wears a flimsy mask in the middle of a hazardous planet I'm not sure "realism" is on BW's list of priorties.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 avril 2010 - 03:16 .

[Cascadus]

It just goes to show the different design approaches from ME1 to ME2. ME1 had a firm grip on this kind of stuff, and every one of your squad-members had hard-suits, and had pretty solidly established it with the Codex. Liara didn't run around with her labcoat on, so obviously something was lost in transition between ME1 and ME2. I just hope they return to ME1's system for ME3.

[Agent_Dark_]

Cascadus wrote...

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Facial hair doesn't get in the way of shots.

Facial hair does get in the way of breathing masks though.

People aren't wearing gas/breathing masks though. I imagine restrictions regarding beards would loosen when you're wearing this:

And with regards to the breathers that Miranda/Mordin/Jacob/whoever else where's? They don't make sense. Period. I still have yet to see someone address why they're not all dead. In ME1, at the very least you saw people in hard-suits wearing environmentally sealed helmets that make sense... [grumbles and walks away]

But the point still stands that those breather masks do get used.  Miranda and Jacob and whoever else are wearing them - issues on why they're not dead notwithstanding (though I would argue that since they are using them without a suit and they are not dead, then it would mean that weren't exposed to a low pressure environment).

For a mask to create a proper seal, you want to have a smooth skin surface.  That means no facial hair.  For a military organisation, whether in real life or futuristic science fiction, it makes sense to restrict facial hair to enable a soldier to fit a mask properly.

[Darth Drago]

Ok fine I give in…almost. Lol!

How about a simple ponytail…? Its long and out of the way.

[SuperMedbh]

I think it has to do with Bioware's vision of Shepard, who is career military. Miranda can flounce about in her catsuit and heels, but that's just not Shep. Even renegade Shep is a bit "hardcore", sometimes more so (look at the interaction with the Normandy engineers, for example).

[Cascadus]

There *is* a ponytail option in the game. Granted, it's not very pretty, but it's there.

Modifié par Cascadus, 19 avril 2010 - 03:30 .

[Anexity]

SuperMedbh wrote...

I think it has to do with Bioware's vision of Shepard, who is career military. Miranda can flounce about in her catsuit and heels, but that's just not Shep. Even renegade Shep is a bit "hardcore", sometimes more so (look at the interaction with the Normandy engineers, for example).

Good point. I don't think Bioware should have used the military regulations excuse. It clearly isn't the case in the ME universe (and arguably in real life either). They should have just said it's either an engine limitation or doesn't fit their vision of Shepard being "hardcore" military. That sounds a lot more forgivable if you ask me.

[Torpasia]

MajesticJazz wrote...



Since when did these become passable military standards for facial hair?

Holy crap, that caught me off guard! He looks almost exactly like my Shepard; nice to know someone else loves that moustache.

[noobzor99]

Ryzaki wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Yeah, Shepard can have long-hair. It's one of the hair-style options, after all. Confused? Well, remember how she keeps it in a bun?
And Cerberus not being strictly military doesn't mean anything. Again, common sense dictates you *don't* want anything in your eyes when you're trying to get a shot in. Thus, you either keep it short or bundle it up. It's not protocol for the sake of it. It's there for a reason.

Considering Samara and Miranda are running around in heels during combat and Jack wears a flimsy mask in the middle of a hazardous planet I'm not sure "realism" is on BW's list of priorties.

this some more.

[TKDancer]

What about ahley's new hait!? she's a spectre in ME 3 and she's got long hair out! WTH? couldn't we have long hair without helmet and when we use helmets we can think that it's not left out?

[Black Raptor]

I don't really care about long hair. Long hair wouldn't look good on my femshep anyway. I just wish bioware could make hair fullstop.
Hair in DA2 was an improvement.

[JamieCOTC]

Some of the female cosmetics (bright red and black lipstick) in ME1 & 2 aren't passable either. Truth of the matter is they just didn't have the tech (or didn't devote the resources) for longer hair options.  Femshep MIGHT have longer hair options in ME3, but the question is, will manlyShep?  Can Space Jesus Shepard actually look the part? 

[Captain Crash]

Incredible necro is pretty incredible!


But more shoulder length varations would be nice, we already have one. 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 juillet 2011 - 11:10 .

[Bogsnot1]

Black Raptor wrote...

I don't really care about long hair. Long hair wouldn't look good on my femshep anyway. I just wish bioware could make hair fullstop.
Hair in DA2 was an improvement.

DA:O, DA2 and ME2/ME3 use compleetly different graphics engines, hence hair will be completely different.
DA:O - Eclipse Engine
DA2 - Lycium Engine
ME2/ME3 - Unreal 3 engine.

[SerWhat?]

I think all the bun options would look a lot better if they simply made the hairline on the neck lower. The hairline is hitting the back of the head up past the ears and I think most people's hairlines go just below the ear. Not a big difference but would look much, much better to me. Also some type of bangs across the forhead to soften the look would be good. I also think that if you want realistic, you should go for those "Medal of Honor" type games. The description for this game is Fantasy/ScienceFICTION that takes place in the future. We don't know what will be possible in the future and look up the meaning of fantasy and fiction....

[SerWhat?]

By the way, it would be good for me if we could have the long hair hanging down only in the cutscenes that are appropriate like a love scene.

[Captain Crash]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

I don't really care about long hair. Long hair wouldn't look good on my femshep anyway. I just wish bioware could make hair fullstop.
Hair in DA2 was an improvement.

DA:O, DA2 and ME2/ME3 use compleetly different graphics engines, hence hair will be completely different.
DA:O - Eclipse Engine
DA2 - Lycium Engine
ME2/ME3 - Unreal 3 engine.

I dont actually think you are  getting the intended message of that post.  DA2 showed that Bioware can do hair right and make it not look like a static plastic mess. They can be creative and add style. Even if engines are different, the current in game pics of Ashley show how much more improved it is and this is something we want translated back to the protagonist.


Anyway yes they do use different engines. But you forget that ME2 animations were ported over to DA2 such as the drinking animation and several postures.  If its already possible to move those tough animations then moving meshes over shouldnt be a massive task for Bioware brains.  If they wanted to do it that is.

[Bogsnot1]

I got the point of the post, but it appears you didnt get the point of mine. Hair looking like a plastic mess is quite often the result of graphics engine limitations.
DA2 hair improvement was because its engine was more advanced than DA:O's, and thus could render hair better.
ME3's engine is still going to be a tweaked Unreal3 engine, the same engine used for ME1, so while hair will be improved, it remains to be seen if Ashleys locks actually flow (unlikely) or whether they will just look like another tragic wig.

[The_11thDoctor]

MajesticJazz wrote...

When people wanted more eccentric hairstyles for their female shepards, BIoware's excuse was that they wanted something that fitted more with military dress guidelines. Okay, okay I'll buy that. But when recreating my Shepard's face for my 3rd playthrough of ME2, I noticed something.....

The facial hair options that are given for male shepard are NOT passable for military dress standards.  5 oclock shadow shave? Goatee? The list can go on, just go back and look at the ME1./ME2 Male shepard facial hair options in create a character and you'll see. Almost half of those are strict violations to military dress standards and would not be tolerated.....but yet Bioware allowed it.

So I ask Bioware again, how come there are no long hair options for female shepard? Please don't give me the "Military standards" reply because males aren't allowed to have Goatees and five o'clock shadows in the military but yet they are available for my male shepards.

Bioware I just called you out.

You must realize Bioware cant do good hair... Long hair is pushing it.