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[Nightwriter]

In my playthrough, the Council says this to Anderson just before you walk into the meeting.

And I was wondering, why do the Council want Udina there? It really didn’t seem like there was any love lost between them in the first game, he was an angry ******.

Then suddenly they want him present, which kind of irritated me - like they would’ve preferred to deal with him instead of Anderson. Is it because they just consider Udina to be more politically savvy?

[Azint]

Well he is an Ambassador, that is part of their job.

[cronshaw8]

Because Anderson has probably been harping on the Reapers for the last 2 years and they know Udina is more in line with their feelings on the subject (even though he promises to stop them at the end of ME1 if you chose him)

[Archereon]

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"

[Nostradamoose]

The Council is side-lining Anderson



It's not any harder than that.

[Collider]

Udina is more skilled politically.

[Nightwriter]

That's funny - in game one I thought Udina was a horrid politician.

He made irrational demands, was hostile and petulent, and made humanity look bad in such a way that I felt it damaged the Council's image of us.

[wolfsite]

Udina seems more willing to listen and agree with the council.... lets just leave it at that.

Nah lets not leave it there, he is just like every other bad politician, he just wants power and wants to feel important.

Modifié par wolfsite, 18 avril 2010 - 08:46 .

[Collider]

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

[wolfsite]

Collider wrote...

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

Ya but he also grounded Shepard and pretty much abandoned him near the end which almost ended Mass Effect right there.

[JRCHOharry]

Collider wrote...

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why Udina would make this meeting more productive.

[cronshaw8]

Nightwriter wrote...

And I was wondering, why do the Council want Udina there?

Because Udina gives better foot rubs.

[DaVanguard]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

And I was wondering, why do the Council want Udina there?

Because Udina gives better foot rubs.

that or arse kissing hehehehe

Modifié par DaVanguard, 18 avril 2010 - 08:58 .

[Nightwriter]

wolfsite wrote...

Collider wrote...

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council
towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

Ya but he also grounded Shepard and pretty much abandoned him near the end which almost ended Mass Effect right there.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Plus, Udina only did what he did - pushing Shepard for candidacy, etc - because he was ravenously hungry for humanity's advancement and rise in power. Shepard was just another step on the ladder for him.

But really, any politician, any ambassador, would've done the same thing. It's their job. Udina's not special in that way.

[Collider]

But really, any politician, any ambassador, would've done the same thing. It's their job. Udina's not special in that way.

Except that he put forth Shepard in the first place. It isn't his job to put them forth, it's his ability. The fact that he chose to put anyone forth, and the fact that he chose Shepard was important. I'm not saying that he's the perfect politician. But that he's more skilled politically than Anderson.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

But really, any politician, any ambassador, would've done the same thing. It's their job. Udina's not special in that way.

Except that he put forth Shepard in the first place. It isn't his job to put them forth, it's his ability. The fact that he chose to put anyone forth, and the fact that he chose Shepard was important. I'm not saying that he's the perfect politician. But that he's more skilled politically than Anderson.

You know, for the first time I think I disagree with you.

The very beginning conversation of Mass Effect 1 was Hackett, Anderson, and Udina discussing Shepard's candidacy, and if I remember correctly Udina is always the one who says, "Is that the kind of person we want", etc.

Anderson's always the one who says Shepard's the right one, and then Udina says, "I'll make the call."

Besides, Udina's not a better man than Anderson for the job. He did an awful job of being calm and politically savvy in game one, and his superior "skills" would've resulted in the whole galaxy getting destroyed. Yeah. Great politician.

[kaimanaMM]

[JRCHOharry]

SEND YOUR FLEET IN!

[wolfsite]

Nightwriter wrote...

Collider wrote...

But really, any politician, any ambassador, would've done the same thing. It's their job. Udina's not special in that way.

Except that he put forth Shepard in the first place. It isn't his job to put them forth, it's his ability. The fact that he chose to put anyone forth, and the fact that he chose Shepard was important. I'm not saying that he's the perfect politician. But that he's more skilled politically than Anderson.

You know, for the first time I think I disagree with you.

The very beginning conversation of Mass Effect 1 was Hackett, Anderson, and Udina discussing Shepard's candidacy, and if I remember correctly Udina is always the one who says, "Is that the kind of person we want", etc.

Anderson's always the one who says Shepard's the right one, and then Udina says, "I'll make the call."

Besides, Udina's not a better man than Anderson for the job. He did an awful job of being calm and politically savvy in game one, and his superior "skills" would've resulted in the whole galaxy getting destroyed. Yeah. Great politician.

Ya Udina did question him as a candidate for the Spectres and when you enter the conversation it sounds like Udina just threw his name on the table not really thinking about it, you know.. "Well, what about Shepard" , actually that can be taken either way but how Udina acts you can tell he was only thinking about how good Shepard could make him look.

[Nightwriter]

wolfsite wrote...

Ya Udina did question him as a candidate for the Spectres and when you enter the conversation it sounds like Udina just threw his name on the table not really thinking about it, you know.. "Well, what about Shepard" , actually that can be taken either way but how Udina acts you can tell he was only thinking about how good Shepard could make him look.

Yeah, you're right. Plus I remember Anderson saying something about how the Council had been watching Shepard for years, considering Shepard for the job.

Maybe Anderson, Hackett and Udina were reviewing a list of possible Council-favored candidates.

[Dean_the_Young]

wolfsite wrote...

Collider wrote...

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

Ya but he also grounded Shepard and pretty much abandoned him near the end which almost ended Mass Effect right there.

Oh, he had reason: the Council wouldn't have done anything at all if Shepard had rushed off immediately, because the Council wasn't prepared to accept Shepard's truth or urgency. Supporting Shepard would not only have ruined the gains and credibility Shepard and Udina had made, but would have turned off the Council and ruined all hope of official action. Udina said it himself: it was a time for subtlety, to consolidate the progress before taking further deliberate action. Udina was facing the political realities of the Council, and the Council wasn't willing to go with Shepard's action.

That Shepard's urgency was justified wasn't something Udina could have known. The problem (in hindsight) with Udina wasn't that he didn't believe in the Reapers or in opposing Saren, but that he didn't share the same sense of urgency and wanted a slower, surer path of getting the Council on Humanity's side.

[Nightwriter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Collider wrote...

Udina put forth Shepard as a candidate for Spectre. Udina pushed the Council towards investigating Saren and putting him on trial. Without either of those, there would no Mass Effect.

Ya but he also grounded Shepard and pretty much abandoned him near the end which almost ended Mass Effect right there.

Oh, he had reason: the Council wouldn't have done anything at all if Shepard had rushed off immediately, because the Council wasn't prepared to accept Shepard's truth or urgency. Supporting Shepard would not only have ruined the gains and credibility Shepard and Udina had made, but would have turned off the Council and ruined all hope of official action. Udina said it himself: it was a time for subtlety, to consolidate the progress before taking further deliberate action. Udina was facing the political realities of the Council, and the Council wasn't willing to go with Shepard's action.

That Shepard's urgency was justified wasn't something Udina could have known. The problem (in hindsight) with Udina wasn't that he didn't believe in the Reapers or in opposing Saren, but that he didn't share the same sense of urgency and wanted a slower, surer path of getting the Council on Humanity's side.

Oh, he didn't want the slower or the surer path. He wanted as much as he could get as soon as he could get it. He wanted more, and he wanted it now. He would've done anything it took.

He ditched Shepard the second Shepard started to make him look bad, the second Shepard stopped being good for his career and started being bad for it. He was out for himself. Udina was a slave to his ambition, and his crime was that that ambition blinded him to what threatened the safety of the galaxy and of humanity. 

He never believed Shepard about the Reapers. Like the Council, he didn't want to. A better man would've quieted Shepard during that trial and whispered to him that they would talk about this later, but that it would look bad to make a scene in front of the Council, no telling what they might do if they thought Shepard was dangerous.

But no, Udina just had to ground the Normandy, to prove Shepard was a misbehaving dog he had well in hand.

[RhythmlessNinja]

Nightwriter wrote...

In my playthrough, the Council says this to Anderson just before you walk into the meeting.

And I was wondering, why do the Council want Udina there? It really didn’t seem like there was any love lost between them in the first game, he was an angry ******.

Then suddenly they want him present, which kind of irritated me - like they would’ve preferred to deal with him instead of Anderson. Is it because they just consider Udina to be more politically savvy?

In all fairness, Turian Councilor wins the biggest ****** award, so they probably were able to tolerate Udina from experience. And according yo Anderson Udina was better with the political bs.

Modifié par RhythmlessNinja, 19 avril 2010 - 03:19 .

[Nightwriter]

Anderson? A kiss-ass? Ha. As if. He's the opposite. He's defiant to the Council and keeps pressing warnings about the Reapers. Not politically savvy, that. But important nonetheless.



Udina's the kiss-ass.