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[Kalithera]

 I see fans *everywhere*.
Honestly, I like her. I think she's kind of funny, and I like her voice. 
But she doesn't seem so amazingly awesome to have such a large fanbase.

Even if someone <i>doesn't</i> like her, they usually make a big deal out of it.
Whether they love or hate her, it generates a lot of attention.

So I'm asking quite seriously, what is it about Tali that you love so much?
Or, on the flip side, what is it about her that makes you hate her?

What qualities make Tali the most discussed character of Mass Effect?

[NICKjnp]

Here we go again.

And I don't hate Tali... I hate Talimancers.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 19 avril 2010 - 12:16 .

[Dominus5412]

Because of her slavish devotion to their avatar, Shepard. Such power would drive anyone insane.



/facetious

[Lemonwizard]

Tali is one of my favorite characters, but she does not deserve the amount of attention she gets. From the fans OR the haters.

[Kalithera]

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Because she reminds them of the "perfect" girlfriend they'll never have.

[Nightwriter]

I do not know why they love Tali so much - I am quite fond of her, but do not outright worship her.

However, I am fairly sure that people's hating her is a direct result of so many people loving her.

Strong emotional reactions in people cause even stronger emotional counter reactions.

[drunken pyromaniac]

She epitomizes the nerdy or geeky guy's dream girl.

[thatguy212]

I don't think she has that many fans to be perfectly honest, if you are going by the number of pages in the tali then thread then it seems like a lot but if you look in it then you'll see its just like 20 people posting every few minutes

[janeym27]

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

[dreman9999]

My question is why could someone possonetly hate her? I can understand not liking her but why hate such a sweet character?

[Lemonwizard]

dreman9999 wrote...

My question is why could someone possonetly hate her? I can understand not liking her but why hate such a sweet character?

A character who is irrationally popular in turn receives a similarly large counter-movement.

[Onyx Jaguar]

http://social.biowar...64207/3#1265273



Rinse and repeat ****es!

[Kalithera]

janeym27 wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

No, not trolling. I actually only got Mass Effect within this month, and I haven't been on here long enough to experience even a significant fraction of the opinions on here. I've seen a lot of Tali love and hate, but a lot less of explanations why.

And, I would go on the Tali love forum (I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility before. It seems like a better way, now) but the last time I tried, my Internet crashed from the sheer volume of posts.

[NICKjnp]

Kalithera wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

No, not trolling. I actually only got Mass Effect within this month, and I haven't been on here long enough to experience even a significant fraction of the opinions on here. I've seen a lot of Tali love and hate, but a lot less of explanations why.

And, I would go on the Tali love forum (I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility before. It seems like a better way, now) but the last time I tried, my Internet crashed from the sheer volume of posts.

Make sure to have some bleach set asside for your eyes.

[Ray Joel Oh]

thatguy212 wrote...

I don't think she has that many fans to be perfectly honest, if you are going by the number of pages in the tali then thread then it seems like a lot but if you look in it then you'll see its just like 20 people posting every few minutes

If you go by all the character polls she comes out way ahead of anyone.  And every other gaming forum I go to has a huge proportion of Tali fans.

[kraidy1117]

[Nivenus]

Well, saying that everyone "discusses" Tali in the Tali thread might be an exaggeration. It unfortunately has a tendency to get derailed rather easily.



But here's my 2 cents, even if this topic has been discussed some half a dozen times already (at least).



First of all, you have to consider that Tali and Garrus are the only two party members who carry over from ME1 to ME2. That there gives them a huge bonus popularity wise because nobody's going to hold ME1 or ME2 against them, fans of either game (and most people are fans of both) aren't going to hate the character on principle the way some people are biased towards one game's characters or the other's.



It also means that the growth in relationship for either character feels more natural than it does in most ME2 romances or even, to an extent, the ME1 romances. It's more of a gradual build-up than a sudden revelation. And, even if you don't romance them, they feel like closer friends than most of the other ME2 non-romanceable characters do, simply because of their history with Shepard.



Secondly, Tali's a well-rounded character. She has strengths and weaknesses. She also isn't as archetypical as, say, Ashley or Liara, who tend to fall into easily defined roles (the female warrior and the hot librarian). Note here that I'm not saying that Ashley or Liara are poorly designed characters. Far from, I think both have hidden depths that people easily overlook. But Tali's unique-ness is more readily apparent: she's a techie, but she's also a warrior. She can be gentle, but she's also got a ruthless edge to her. People like variety in a character.



Thirdly, carrying on with her personality, Tali's got a strong exterior, but a vulnerable interior. Both of these are important, I think. Characters are most interesting if they can carry on for themselves and I get the impression that Tali's very self-sufficient. That being said, she has a vulnerability that she allows Shepard to see, both male and female. I've come to conclude that men really do have a strong protective instinct - we like to feel that we're "protecting" our significant others, even if it's only just in a very minor way. It makes us feel masculine and accomplished. So while Tali is capable of looking after herself, it appeals to our egos that she's willing to accept our help so graciously and that she then thanks us for our help.



Fourthly, I'm not going to deny that part of Tali's appeal is her exotic-ness. Like Liara (as far as I can tell Tali's closest rival as the most popular romance for male!Shep) or Garrus, Tali's an alien. And, to be entirely frank, I think a lot of nerds (and let's not pretend we aren't) are attracted to a degree of otherness they can identify with. Tali's got that in spades, not just as an alien, but as a quarian, a species routinely looked down upon by other species. And, even among her own people, she's something of an outsider. Tied into this is the fact that you never see her face, though I personally put this a bit low on the totem pole of what makes her an interesting character.



Anyhow, that's just what came to mind.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Most popular character is most popular. Doesn't make any sense I tell you!



None of these characters are HK-47, they all fail.

[Ray Joel Oh]

NICKjnp wrote...
Make sure to have some bleach set asside for your eyes.

I don't have many strong allegiances to the Tali thread beyond the fact that a lot of people I like apparently post there, but your constantly baiting them in every other thread I find you is really obnoxious.  It does not reflect well on you.

[LordMandalore]

Kalithera wrote...

 I see fans *everywhere*.
Honestly, I like her. I think she's kind of funny, and I like her voice. 
But she doesn't seem so amazingly awesome to have such a large fanbase.

Even if someone doesn't like her, they usually make a big deal out of it.
Whether they love or hate her, it generates a lot of attention.

So I'm asking quite seriously, what is it about Tali that you love so much?
Or, on the flip side, what is it about her that makes you hate her?

What qualities make Tali the most discussed character of Mass Effect?

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[Lemonwizard]

Kalithera wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

No, not trolling. I actually only got Mass Effect within this month, and I haven't been on here long enough to experience even a significant fraction of the opinions on here. I've seen a lot of Tali love and hate, but a lot less of explanations why.

And, I would go on the Tali love forum (I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility before. It seems like a better way, now) but the last time I tried, my Internet crashed from the sheer volume of posts.

Think of it this way. The characters in this game that tend to get the most attention are the love interests, which is understandable enough. Generally speaking, a majority of the players are male or play male Shepard. Tali is the most approachable of the 3 love interests available to male Shepard, because neither Miranda or Jack really open up and become sympathetic characters until you're already a significant way through their respective romance plots. Tali, on the other hand, is the only one who seems like a genuinely nice person who has real feelings for you from the start. This is why I think she's the most popular LI, which then proceeds to garner the character a very large fanbase.

[thatguy212]

Kalithera wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

No, not trolling. I actually only got Mass Effect within this month, and I haven't been on here long enough to experience even a significant fraction of the opinions on here. I've seen a lot of Tali love and hate, but a lot less of explanations why.

And, I would go on the Tali love forum (I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility before. It seems like a better way, now) but the last time I tried, my Internet crashed from the sheer volume of posts.

Well the reason i hate tali is because of how immature she can be, in the first game she refuses to talk to you if you don't give her the geth data, she holds Legion at gun point for trying to warn his people that the quarians were doing horrible experiments on them

[janeym27]

NICKjnp wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Kalithera wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Here we go again.

What? I'm asking rationally. It's honestly confusing to me. What 'again' do you mean?

The Tali-love/hate thing has been done to death. It just leads to flame wars and bad feelings. Ask in the Tali thread if you want reasons to love her. Check the numerous threads which have devolved into Tali-hate for the negatives. To be honest, I've even heard people say they hate her because her fans love her so much, which seems silly. Either way, there is no way this thread will end well.

But if you are just trolling then you already know that.

No, not trolling. I actually only got Mass Effect within this month, and I haven't been on here long enough to experience even a significant fraction of the opinions on here. I've seen a lot of Tali love and hate, but a lot less of explanations why.

And, I would go on the Tali love forum (I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility before. It seems like a better way, now) but the last time I tried, my Internet crashed from the sheer volume of posts.

Make sure to have some bleach set asside for your eyes.

Sorry. Tali is a popular troll topic. Yeah. This comes up a lot. A lot of the explanations for the basic love/hate are here already.

And yes, Collider has a point (regarding all characters, to a degree). Go with caution. There is some stuff that once seen, cannot be unseen.

And enjoy Mass Effect! 

[curly haired boy]

pent-up demand is to blame, i think. in ME1 your choices were kaiden, ashley, or liara.



lots of people wanted to romance tali/garrus. now they can. pretty simple.