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[ArawnNox]

If you haven't read "The Calling" then you might not want to read this.

Okay, so, I just finished The Calling and I've begun to puzzle over something. Fiona has Maric promise to have Alistair raised apart from his royal heritage so he can have a life of his own. This is reaffermed by Alistair in-game where he thinks his mother was a maid of Maric's and is raised by Arl Eamon. What I don't get, is where Goldanna fits in.

She talks about remembering when Alistair was born and her mother dying and all that, which is impossible given the real circumstances of Alistair's birth.
Would I be correct in assuming that Alistair would have been given to this woman to raise, who already had Goldanna, the mother became ill, died, and Alistair was sent to Eamon while Goldanna got nothing? So, when Alistair shows up, she lays out a line of BS to get money from him...

Wow, typing that out while thinking about it makes me realize just how much of a b*tch she really is. That, and so much of Alistair's life is a lie... poor boy's head would explode if he new who his mother REALLY was... >.>

I guess I didn't exactly ask a question in there, so I'll put it out to the boards, did anyone else reach similar conclusions?

[LadyDamodred]

I think what they did was find a woman who died in childbirth and simply used it as a cover story. If both the woman and the baby died, they could just pawn Alistair off as no, the baby didn't die, he's right here.

[ashez2ashes]

Well, its never been confirmed that Alistair is the baby in The Calling. In my opinion though, the writers are being purposedly vague so they can change their minds later and in all intents and purposes... Alistair is.



Goldanna could have easily been lied too. Her mother was probably a conviently timed death in child birth that was used as a cover story.



I personally think Alistair would be happy to find out his mother loved him and wanted the best for him. Non-king Alistair would be especially happpy because he could openly claim her and get to know her if she's still alive.

[ArawnNox]

ashez2ashes wrote...

Well, its never been confirmed that Alistair is the baby in The Calling. In my opinion though, the writers are being purposedly vague so they can change their minds later and in all intents and purposes... Alistair is.

Goldanna could have easily been lied too. Her mother was probably a conviently timed death in child birth that was used as a cover story.

I personally think Alistair would be happy to find out his mother loved him and wanted the best for him. Non-king Alistair would be especially happpy because he could openly claim her and get to know her if she's still alive.

Well, I think it would be pretty hard for it to not be Alistair since Cailan is 9 and the book is 20 years before the events of DA:O.
I can see them using someone who died in childbirth as a cover story for Alistair's benefit, but then, how would Goldanna even be aware of him? I think it's more likely that Alistair got Goldanna's name through researching who his mother was, then, when a bunch of armed people show up at her door, Goldanna attempts to take advantage for money. Though, that still doesn't fit with how she'd know about Alistair's heratige....

[LadyDamodred]

ArawnNox wrote...

ashez2ashes wrote...

Well, its never been confirmed that Alistair is the baby in The Calling. In my opinion though, the writers are being purposedly vague so they can change their minds later and in all intents and purposes... Alistair is.

Goldanna could have easily been lied too. Her mother was probably a conviently timed death in child birth that was used as a cover story.

I personally think Alistair would be happy to find out his mother loved him and wanted the best for him. Non-king Alistair would be especially happpy because he could openly claim her and get to know her if she's still alive.

Well, I think it would be pretty hard for it to not be Alistair since Cailan is 9 and the book is 20 years before the events of DA:O.
I can see them using someone who died in childbirth as a cover story for Alistair's benefit, but then, how would Goldanna even be aware of him? I think it's more likely that Alistair got Goldanna's name through researching who his mother was, then, when a bunch of armed people show up at her door, Goldanna attempts to take advantage for money. Though, that still doesn't fit with how she'd know about Alistair's heratige....

The 9 year old thing is a typo.  David Gaider has said Cailan is 5 at the time of the calling.  He also said Alistair is 21.  If you take it to mean 21 at the end of the game, it's a perfect fit.  Of course, the timeline is a little fuzzy, so it could be 21 at the start of the game without much problem.

As for Goldana, she would be aware that her mother was pregnant and died.  She was merely told the baby died, too, and they sent her away so as to completely cover the lie.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 19 avril 2010 - 02:28 .

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

ashez2ashes wrote...

Well, its never been confirmed that Alistair is the baby in The Calling. In my opinion though, the writers are being purposedly vague so they can change their minds later and in all intents and purposes... Alistair is.

Goldanna could have easily been lied too. Her mother was probably a conviently timed death in child birth that was used as a cover story.

I personally think Alistair would be happy to find out his mother loved him and wanted the best for him. Non-king Alistair would be especially happpy because he could openly claim her and get to know her if she's still alive.

Well, I think it would be pretty hard for it to not be Alistair since Cailan is 9 and the book is 20 years before the events of DA:O.
I can see them using someone who died in childbirth as a cover story for Alistair's benefit, but then, how would Goldanna even be aware of him? I think it's more likely that Alistair got Goldanna's name through researching who his mother was, then, when a bunch of armed people show up at her door, Goldanna attempts to take advantage for money. Though, that still doesn't fit with how she'd know about Alistair's heratige....

The 9 year old thing is a typo.  David Gaider has said Cailan is 5 at the time of the calling.  He also said Alistair is 21.  If you take it to mean 21 at the end of the game, it's a perfect fit.  Of course, the timeline is a little fuzzy, so it could be 21 at the start of the game without much problem.

As for Goldana, she would be aware that her mother was pregnant and died.  She was merely told the baby died, too, and they sent her away so as to completely cover the lie.

Was Maric the type to chase after skirts anywhere? If the timeline is such...thats awful damn close. Did he love Fiona? If so is he fickle:? was Goldanna's mom a convenient way to try to forget Fiona?  If she was Alistair's mom, timeline wise thats damn close if Maric wasn't someone to sleep around with lots of people.  (In other words I tend to lean to Fiona and I haven't even read the books lol)

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 avril 2010 - 02:32 .

[LadyDamodred]

He loved Fiona. That's what made it so sad. And no where does Maric ever seem to be the type to shace skitrs.

[sylvanaerie]

so sad. What happend to Fiona? did she die too? or did she have to go away because she was an elf and he was king?

[ArawnNox]

Yeah, Fiona filled a big void in Maric's life.

I'm just trying to figure out how Goldanna fits into the whole thing. She seems armed with the knowledge of Alistair being Maric's son, but is ignorant of the fact that he's not the result of Maric sleeping with her mother. I have no doubt she saw a chance to extort some sympathy cash, however.

[ArawnNox]

sylvanaerie wrote...

so sad. What happend to Fiona? did she die too? or did she have to go away because she was an elf and he was king?

<book spoilers>
After she gave birth to Alistair she was no longer suffering from the darkspawn taint. This, of course, made all the Grey Wardens in Orlais go WTFBBQ!? So, she delivered the child to Maric and had to return to Weissaupt(sp?) to be studied. Maric offered for her to stay, but that would mean leaving the Order, at which she'd be his consort/mistress/whatever so she'd either have to live in the Circle Tower or the Alienage which were no-nos for her.

She probably isn't dead, but nothing says she's alive either.

[LadyDamodred]

Well, she was a child when this happened. Maric, I assumed, visited Redcliffe, maybe very frequently. Goldana mentions knowing the babe was the king's. However, it's entirely possible that was a story her mother told her, or something she heard from others. Goldana is the daughter of the woman Alistair was told was his mother. She has no troubl fitting into this scenario.



SPOILARS:

syl: She did not die. She had to leave b/c she's an elven Grey Warden mage. Kinda didn't have a choice, at least from the way she saw it.

[sylvanaerie]

wow...ummm this is kind of paralleling my second fanfic (mage PC who was romanced to Al and left him so he could be king and she went on her way). What happened? She had a child and didn't have the taint anymore? WTF?? Okay...Valora is DEFINITELY going to find Morrigan and make her tell how to do that 'Knocked up by a GW' ritual...

[ArawnNox]

sylvanaerie wrote...

wow...ummm this is kind of paralleling my second fanfic (mage PC who was romanced to Al and left him so he could be king and she went on her way). What happened? She had a child and didn't have the taint anymore? WTF?? Okay...Valora is DEFINITELY going to find Morrigan and make her tell how to do that 'Knocked up by a GW' ritual...

Theres a bunch of extenuating circumstances and why it happened isn't explained. They mention Grey Wardens have had kids before but no mention of loosing the taint.

[sylvanaerie]

Does the book say what happend to Maric? or does it end 20 years prior to the events in the game?

[ArawnNox]

It doesn't. It ends at that point.

[Sandtigress]

Maric's ship was lost at sea about five years prior to game events. I think there was supposed to be a codex that says it, but its not there for whatever reason. The Calling ends with Fiona leaving the baby behind.

[Sandtigress]

Stupid double post.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 19 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sandtigress wrote...

Maric's ship was lost at sea about five years prior to game events. I think there was supposed to be a codex that says it, but its not there for whatever reason. The Calling ends with Fiona leaving the baby behind.

so...Maric may not even be dead...and what happens to the baby? was he taken in by Arl Eamon?

*Edit* I mean...Maric obviously didn't take it or he would have been with his father.  What happens to the baby at the end of the book?:

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 avril 2010 - 02:58 .

[ArawnNox]

The baby is Alistair. He's supposed to have been raised by Arl Eamon, thinking his mother was someone else. I don't really understand WHY he was told who his real father was, but it might have been Eamon making sure they had a backup in the event of something happening to Cailen.

[ashez2ashes]

Fiona says she wants the baby to be raised without knowing his mother's a mage or an elf.... I think Duncan vows to watch over him as well.  She wanted him raised completely away from his legacy...  Which means Eamon has earned a big ole fireball to the face as far as Fiona is concerned.

Modifié par ashez2ashes, 19 avril 2010 - 03:03 .

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Maric's ship was lost at sea about five years prior to game events. I think there was supposed to be a codex that says it, but its not there for whatever reason. The Calling ends with Fiona leaving the baby behind.

so...Maric may not even be dead...and what happens to the baby? was he taken in by Arl Eamon?

*Edit* I mean...Maric obviously didn't take it or he would have been with his father.  What happens to the baby at the end of the book?:

They just agree that the baby won't be told who his parents are so he can be raised free from both of their burdens (being of elven blood/being an heir to the throne). Duncan agrees to keep an eye on the baby, for Maric and Fiona, and fade to black. 

[ArawnNox]

I agree with ashez2ashes, sounds like someone didn't keep his fool mouth shut.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Maric's ship was lost at sea about five years prior to game events. I think there was supposed to be a codex that says it, but its not there for whatever reason. The Calling ends with Fiona leaving the baby behind.

so...Maric may not even be dead...and what happens to the baby? was he taken in by Arl Eamon?

*Edit* I mean...Maric obviously didn't take it or he would have been with his father.  What happens to the baby at the end of the book?:

They just agree that the baby won't be told who his parents are so he can be raised free from both of their burdens (being of elven blood/being an heir to the throne). Duncan agrees to keep an eye on the baby, for Maric and Fiona, and fade to black. 

oh man that sucks...I am glad I didn't read it now.  I would have reached that ending and been pissed as hell...Its like eating all but the last bite of a candy bar and then having someone snatch it away when you reach the best part in the center.  I hate books that end like that.   its why i won't go see trilogy movies in the movie theatres.  I want the whole bloody thing written out for me if I am going to read something.  So Duncan...takes the child...and the infant disappears into the sunset with him? If Alistair, yes we know what happens but if not...we don't know yet.

[ArawnNox]

In terms of the larger narrative, it's a pretty interesting set-up for Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age: Awakening, especially since most of it involves the Architect, and the guy in your camp.. Levi Dryden, talks about it and knowing the young Duncan.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Maric's ship was lost at sea about five years prior to game events. I think there was supposed to be a codex that says it, but its not there for whatever reason. The Calling ends with Fiona leaving the baby behind.

so...Maric may not even be dead...and what happens to the baby? was he taken in by Arl Eamon?

*Edit* I mean...Maric obviously didn't take it or he would have been with his father.  What happens to the baby at the end of the book?:

They just agree that the baby won't be told who his parents are so he can be raised free from both of their burdens (being of elven blood/being an heir to the throne). Duncan agrees to keep an eye on the baby, for Maric and Fiona, and fade to black. 

oh man that sucks...I am glad I didn't read it now.  I would have reached that ending and been pissed as hell...Its like eating all but the last bite of a candy bar and then having someone snatch it away when you reach the best part in the center.  I hate books that end like that.   its why i won't go see trilogy movies in the movie theatres.  I want the whole bloody thing written out for me if I am going to read something.  So Duncan...takes the child...and the infant disappears into the sunset with him? If Alistair, yes we know what happens but if not...we don't know yet.

Duncan says he'll keep an eye on him and let maric know how he's doing.  He can't raise the baby since he's busy being a Grey Warden.  I'd like this think he filled Fiona in on how Alistair was doing, too.

I think Alistair knowing who he father was might have come out as an accident.  Like, one too many people repeating the rumors and saying things around Alistair that Eamon finally decided to head it off by telling Alistair and re-enforcing the 'you're not in line for the throne' dealy.