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[JasonPogo]

To put it simply it is online gameing.  Every game nowadays has to have some kind of online play or people lose their minds.  For anyone that was around these boards before DAO came out there were always posts from people crying that there was no online in the game.  Even now if you look around the boards people will talk about how they want a DAO MMO.  I know I might be getting old at 27 but what happend one player games?  If developers would just scratch adding online play to EVERY game and focuse on the actual game they would be so much better!


Bah end of rant.  Thanks for reading.

[Dethateer]

Sad but true. Gone are the good old days of marvelous purely single-player games.

[crysischaos]

I agree, I'm not an online player at all, and any form of online play doesn't further entice me to purchase any game. In some cases I think devs spend too much time on the online aspect more so than the single player campaign, like in the recent COD games. I would prefer a single player KOTOR 3, but of course there's more money in MMO's.

[Crixt]

I'm just glad that there's both.

[Rubbish Hero]

There are plenty of single player games and plenty of excellent single player games that come with multiplayer components. Gaming is becoming more burger in a bag, reach as huge an audience as possible, this means cramming any crap in to maximize sales and dumbing any game down to the extend needed.

[Costin_Razvan]

If developers would just scratch adding online play to EVERY game and focuse on the actual game they would be so much better!

Bull****. There are plenty of games that have a very solid single player experience even though they have online power.



Dawn of War 1, 2 and Winter Assault. Company of Heroes, World in Conflict, Warcraft 3, TFT, Starcraft + Broodwar, Total War series, Nexus: The Jupiter Incident, Star Wars: Empire at War, Diablo 1 and 2.



So no, online gaming is not the issue with games today. The issue is that many companies choose to not focus on the single player so much ( especially in Shooters ) and solely on multyplayer.



The fact is however, that without online gaming those games would not exist in the first place.

I would prefer a single player KOTOR 3, but of course there's more money in MMO's.

Uhm, no offence, but Bioware has stated that SW:TOR has about as much story as all their other individual games combined and that, I quote : A major focus in the game is on developing characters' individual stories.

[crysischaos]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If developers would just scratch adding online play to EVERY game and focuse on the actual game they would be so much better!

Bull****. There are plenty of games that have a very solid single player experience even though they have online power.

Dawn of War 1, 2 and Winter Assault. Company of Heroes, World in Conflict, Warcraft 3, TFT, Starcraft + Broodwar, Total War series, Nexus: The Jupiter Incident, Star Wars: Empire at War, Diablo 1 and 2.

So no, online gaming is not the issue with games today. The issue is that many companies choose to not focus on the single player so much ( especially in Shooters ) and solely on multyplayer.

The fact is however, that without online gaming those games would not exist in the first place.

I would prefer a single player KOTOR 3, but of course there's more money in MMO's.

Uhm, no offence, but Bioware has stated that SW:TOR has about as much story as all their other individual games combined and that, I quote : A major focus in the game is on developing characters' individual stories.

Most of the games you mention are both singleplayer and multiplayer designed games, whether LAN or online.  I believe what the OP is stating is devs trying to sandwich in either unneeded multiplayer, or spending too much time on it so that it takes time from development  of games with a specific single player campaign/story, like some shooters or RPGs like DAO.

My comment about KOTOR 3 doesn't have to do with whether Bioware will develop a good story or not, it's that I prefer single player RPG's.

[Outamyhead]

There is also the new menace to gaming, I'm sire will reach all the platforms, DRM that requires constant connection to a server, that could truly break a game publishers back.

[Rubbish Hero]

I just stopped buying Ubisoft games altogher, no plans of buying any more games, they really do treat pc gamers like they are the scum of the earth, not just pirates, ALL pc gamer. This is more of a pc game problem than consoles, there sales are booming.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 19 avril 2010 - 07:44 .

[Costin_Razvan]

My comment about KOTOR 3 doesn't have to do with whether Bioware will develop a good story or not, it's that I prefer single player RPG's.

I see. I just wanted to point out that SW:TOR is not going to be your average MMO. Sure it will have online parties, dungeons and battlegrounds, all the classics of your average MMO, but it will also have choices, as in Mass Effect wheel type choices. A morality system and NPC companions, ( with an approval system apparently similar to Dragon Age Origins ) that can become LI.



In that sense they are making SW:Tor both and online game as much as it will be singleplayer I think. With the option to actually avoid needing to team up with other players for a very large chunk of the game and still get to delve very deeply into the story, create your own unique character.



What is interesting is that your choices during quests and such will impact how NPCs react to you, so in the sense it is like any other RPG, and there is a very interesting thing to add to that: You can't reload after making a bad choice, you have to live with it.

[Kenrae]

scyphozoa wrote...

I would say a big problem with online gaming is that gameplay itself has been abandoned. I was thinking about this yesterday while discussing Sonic/Sega. During the 16 bit generation, games were never impressive visually nor were their stories ever compelling enough to support the product. The single feature that sold boxes during that generation of hardware was gameplay.

Gameplay had to be fun and replayable. I played sonic dozens/hundreds of times. I played games like Earthworm Jim, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Altered Beast, ToeJam and Earl and literally hundreds of other games who all brought just 1 feature to the table - gameplay.

When graphics and eventually story started to take precedent, gameplay took a backseat. This doesn't apply to all games, but it definitely has been a noticeable transition since the age of 32 bit hardware and beyond...

I don't care abour graphics, but story is a lot more important to me than gameplay. I'm a gamer since the 80s, but I can't return to most of those games anymore because I'm "spoiled", nowadays I find them boring. Extremely boring. Yeah, I enjoyed Space Invaders at the time, but if I had Mass Effect I wouldn't have played it. I enjoyed it in great part because I had nothing else to play.

[Loerwyn]

What I think is wrong with games today is the constant need to make PC Games = Console Games. Whilst we do want to play some console series (Ahem, Fable, get over here), we don't want to play a game that's clearly designed for consoles.



They're two different markets. On the PC, we generally want more in depth games that were developed from the ground up for the PC - Not these half-arsed, no-bonus content versions that we're given. Can you imagine trying to play Sins of a Solar Empire on a 360, for example? When you come to "proper" RPGs (NWN, Icewind Dale etc), the PC is by far the superior platform. Hell, even in FPS we're in a "superior" position because the KB+M allows a much higher degree of accuracy (Shadowrun for the PC/360 for proof).



I'm not of the belief that console games are dumbed down, but I am of the belief that they're different and devs have forgotten that. Yeah, share the bigger franchises (GTA, Far Cry etc) but stop shafting the PC market. I don't see how it's acceptable that the consoles get working versions, and the PC market is left with a buggy load of rubbish (Saints Row 2 is a perfect example. Loved the game though, even with all its faults) or a release that's delayed for months (Mirror's Edge, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed 2).

[Borschtbeet]

I agree with the original poster. I think the problem with online gaming is that multi-player modes seem to come at the expense of single player.
I think Bioshock 2's campaign could've been a lot better had they not spent so much time on the multi-player mode.

I've never had an issue with DRM. 

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 19 avril 2010 - 09:48 .

[AntiChri5]

scyphozoa wrote...

DRM makes me cringe. I will still buy ubisoft games on xbox, but never on PC. Which is clearly what Ubisoft wants. oh well

Yeah i really feel for my PC brothers who have to suffer through such ****. And of course the fact that no one is buying Ubisoft games on PC anymore will be blamed on piracy......

buy....."goes back to playing splinter cell"

[Loerwyn]

AntiChri5 wrote...
And of course the fact that no one is buying Ubisoft games on PC anymore will be blamed on piracy......

Assassin's Creed 2 is the 6th current best seller in PC Games on Game.co.uk, and it's #20 on Amazon.co.uk.
Ubi have a few in Amazon's top 100 PC games, so I don't really see your point.

[Kohaku]

I find it very amusing when I'm looking up a game, any game, and the first thing that comes out of poster's mouths are... "Does this have multi-player?"



No people. It's not the end of the world if there is no multi-player component. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

There are many things wrong with games today but it isnt online gaming. It wasnt the online aspect of Bioshock 2 that ruined the game as the first game wasnt that good to begin with (other than "would you kindly" the game diddnt do anything for me), it wasnt the online aspect that killed Splinter Cell Conviction but the fact that the devs removed the stealth and challenge from the game.
Sure there might be developers out their that might try and tack a multiplayer mode onto a single player game but usually these take a backseat to the single player game and are only added once they are happy with the single player component and usually dont effect the quality of the single player component.

crysischaos wrote...

I agree, I'm not an online player at all, and any form of online play doesn't further entice me to purchase any game. In some cases I think devs spend too much time on the online aspect more so than the single player campaign, like in the recent COD games. I would prefer a single player KOTOR 3, but of course there's more money in MMO's.

It is funny, you guys complain that the devs put too much focus on multiplayer in games that have a heavy single player focus yet you also complain that the devs dont put enough focus on the single player aspect of games that have a heavy multiplayer focus. Not every game has to suit your tastes, some gamers like multiplayer some do not.

[Vaeliorin]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

crysischaos wrote...
I agree, I'm not an online player at all, and any form of online play doesn't further entice me to purchase any game. In some cases I think devs spend too much time on the online aspect more so than the single player campaign, like in the recent COD games. I would prefer a single player KOTOR 3, but of course there's more money in MMO's.

It is funny, you guys complain that the devs put too much focus on multiplayer in games that have a heavy single player focus yet you also complain that the devs dont put enough focus on the single player aspect of games that have a heavy multiplayer focus. Not every game has to suit your tastes, some gamers like multiplayer some do not.

I think KOTOR 3 vs SW:TOR is a valid complaint, much like the people who'd like to see another Warcraft RTS (note I'm not one of these people...I think Blizzard fails hard at making RTS games.)

COD I don't really know about.  I think I played a demo of one COD game many years ago, and that's the only time I've touched the series, as I really don't like FPS games.

[Tirigon]

JasonPogo wrote...

To put it simply it is online gameing.  Every game nowadays has to have some kind of online play or people lose their minds.  For anyone that was around these boards before DAO came out there were always posts from people crying that there was no online in the game.  Even now if you look around the boards people will talk about how they want a DAO MMO.  I know I might be getting old at 27 but what happend one player games?  If developers would just scratch adding online play to EVERY game and focuse on the actual game they would be so much better!


Bah end of rant.  Thanks for reading.

I agree for games like DAO. However, Online-games can be great too, just think about DotA!!!

And then there are games like the entire Call of Duty series who NEED Multiplayer or everyone would recognize them as the boring crap they are.

[kil_edward93]

JasonPogo wrote...

To put it simply it is online gameing.  Every game nowadays has to have some kind of online play or people lose their minds.  For anyone that was around these boards before DAO came out there were always posts from people crying that there was no online in the game.  Even now if you look around the boards people will talk about how they want a DAO MMO.  I know I might be getting old at 27 but what happend one player games?  If developers would just scratch adding online play to EVERY game and focuse on the actual game they would be so much better!


Bah end of rant.  Thanks for reading.

true, thats why Bioshock 2 sucked ****

[Tirigon]

Outamyhead wrote...

There is also the new menace to gaming, I'm sire will reach all the platforms, DRM that requires constant connection to a server, that could truly break a game publishers back.

It is a good thing that all those annoying things forcing you to be permanently online are usually cracked rather quickly.

[crysischaos]

Tirigon wrote...

Outamyhead wrote...

There is also the new menace to gaming, I'm sire will reach all the platforms, DRM that requires constant connection to a server, that could truly break a game publishers back.

It is a good thing that all those annoying things forcing you to be permanently online are usually cracked rather quickly.

But when you're a PC gamer that wants to buy games, it's annoying when something that is free is better than something you want to buy.  Take AC2, apparently the disc doesn't even contain the full game, there are pieces to each level that are downloaded while you play.  So even if they commit to patching the game to remove the DRM if they close down the server (they haven't commited that they would), your game disc is still not a complete game, and you'd have to keep that patch to add in the missing pieces from the levels.

[ImperialOperative]

*puts on rose tinted glasses*



Child'en, back in the olden days we used to walk 50 miles to school every day. THOSE WERE MARVELOUS DAYS.



Now like now with your devils music and fancy TV's. We only used to have 2 channels to watch, and they were white noise for 18 hours of the day.



We played these games, it was called STICK. We ran around with sticks and that was it.



GOLDEN DAYS THATS WHAT IT WAS