FlyingWalrus wrote...
Perhaps in whatever egocentric fantasy you reside in, but my actual supposition is it fell on the list of priorities being that they literally rebuilt the game engine from the ground.Darkhour wrote...
So your theory is that Bioware caught f*cking retards virus since ME1 and in a retarded fever intentionally made a feature of the game inferior?
FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I almost never use the DLC armors, to be honest -- primarily because of the inability to toggle the helmet. Then again, this is the same reason I play with the N7 armor in its default appearance (i.e. no helmet), despite the helmet giving you some bonus. It just feels wrong walking around and talking to people with 3/4 of your face blocked out. It may make sense whilst in a combat situation or a critical mission of some sort, but otherwise not.
your probably rightBlk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
I really don't think that there's going to be an end to the argument "Helmet Toggle: Can it or can't it be done?" until Bioware makes an official statement regarding Helmet Toggle, explaining why it can or can't be done.
And even then, assuming they say it can't be done, eventually somebody will make a Mod that enables it.
To be honest, I doubt that Bioware will ever make an official announcement, or even comment on the matter.
They've had every opportunity to reply in not just this, but the countless other topics on the matter, and never had. Hell, Stanley Woo was just commenting on a topic that was below this one on the list yesterday. He could've easily popped in here and said something. Even if he said "STFU cuz we aint doin it!11" at least that would be something.
Jade Elf wrote...
Bioware have commented on the issue several times in the past.
Eg. http://social.biowar...03/index/779585
Modifié par Master Smurf, 20 avril 2010 - 07:43 .
Jade Elf wrote...
Bioware have commented on the issue several times in the past.
Eg. http://social.biowar...03/index/779585
Jesse Houston wrote...
I can't go into the details of it, but with many of the changes to Character Personalization we required that Armour be mostly static, with the exception of when you change at an Armour Locker.
Christina Norman wrote...
I can understand the desire to run around in collector armor with the 'helmet' off but that isn't the way they were designed in terms of appearance or in terms of art assets. To state it simply the armor is a single piece.
We do have a system for armor segments, and you can use that to construct a custom look for Shepard, but armor has to be designed artistically and otherwise for this system. To put it another way - the collector armor wouldn't look like the collector armor if we built it using the segmented armor system. We're able to get the awesome look because it's a single armor piece. This is not a bug, so it can't be "patched" to change the behavior.
Modifié par Blk_Mage_Ctype, 20 avril 2010 - 08:21 .
I think the collector armor was a bad choice of an example, it is the one where people don't complain as much, at least not specifically, and it has a far more unique look than the other armors so actually it is the only one that makes sense. I would agree that the terminus does look segmented, so why is it not in the N7 category? unknown, but blood dragon is a little more debateable personally, those two do not have as unique a look as the Collector armor, so they would need a better explanation than the artistic side for those two.Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
Jade Elf wrote...
Bioware have commented on the issue several times in the past.
Eg. http://social.biowar...03/index/779585Jesse Houston wrote...
I can't go into the details of it, but with many of the changes to Character Personalization we required that Armour be mostly static, with the exception of when you change at an Armour Locker.Christina Norman wrote...
I can understand the desire to run around in collector armor with the 'helmet' off but that isn't the way they were designed in terms of appearance or in terms of art assets. To state it simply the armor is a single piece.
We do have a system for armor segments, and you can use that to construct a custom look for Shepard, but armor has to be designed artistically and otherwise for this system. To put it another way - the collector armor wouldn't look like the collector armor if we built it using the segmented armor system. We're able to get the awesome look because it's a single armor piece. This is not a bug, so it can't be "patched" to change the behavior.
Inadequate answers are inadequate...
Nobody is asking for the DLC Armor to be segmented like the N7 Armor, we just want the Helmet to come off. And the DLC Armor could've still been in 1 piece, and had the option to make the helmet part invisible without altering the design.
Those answers sound more like Damage Control for their own poor design choices than a tangible reason why the helmet cannot be removed.
Also, I dunno about you, but when I think of the DLC Armors which Helmets I'd like to option to Toggle off, it's not the Collector Armor, it's the already segmented-looking Terminus & Blood Dragon Armor.
So, yeah... I'd like an answer that actually makes sense and explains tangibly why the game cannot be patched NOW, not an excuse for why the devs lacked the foresight to include the option from the start.
Firesteel7 wrote...
I am sorry if this makes anyone angry, but here is my two sense on why it was not included, and why it won't be.
First the "official" reason: art purposes, each suit was designed as a complete set, this makes some sense, but really avoids the question.You can build something as a single piece, but add the option to remove parts of it later in development.
My two sense: The real reason Bioware did this was if you look at N7 Armor, head wear has its own bonus, so at least for N7, no hope of helmet toggle either way. Now on to the DLC armor. the DLC armor has no toggle for the same reason, just because we cannot take it apart we do not know the bonus each item gives. Let's take Terminus for example, the legs can give the +10% sprint speed, the chest gives +5% shields, shoulders +5% Shields, arms give +10% ammo, and head gives +5% shields, in total +15% shields, +10% sprint, and + 10% ammo. If Bioware put in helmet toggle, it would be far more than just cosmetic, they would have to code the game so that it would change protection if you had toggled the helmet on or off.
I hope this is actually why Bioware did this, if not, it is just wild speculation, but i does make some sense right?
Again, sorry that I burst a lot of people's bubbles, but I felt this is something people want a lot, and thought that I might point out some of the finer issues with it.
You must be referring to the default N7 armor. We're talking DLC armor here, e.g. Collector, Inferno, Blood Dragon, etcCorehaven22 wrote...
Firesteel7 wrote...
I am sorry if this makes anyone angry, but here is my two sense on why it was not included, and why it won't be.
First the "official" reason: art purposes, each suit was designed as a complete set, this makes some sense, but really avoids the question.You can build something as a single piece, but add the option to remove parts of it later in development.
My two sense: The real reason Bioware did this was if you look at N7 Armor, head wear has its own bonus, so at least for N7, no hope of helmet toggle either way. Now on to the DLC armor. the DLC armor has no toggle for the same reason, just because we cannot take it apart we do not know the bonus each item gives. Let's take Terminus for example, the legs can give the +10% sprint speed, the chest gives +5% shields, shoulders +5% Shields, arms give +10% ammo, and head gives +5% shields, in total +15% shields, +10% sprint, and + 10% ammo. If Bioware put in helmet toggle, it would be far more than just cosmetic, they would have to code the game so that it would change protection if you had toggled the helmet on or off.
I hope this is actually why Bioware did this, if not, it is just wild speculation, but i does make some sense right?
Again, sorry that I burst a lot of people's bubbles, but I felt this is something people want a lot, and thought that I might point out some of the finer issues with it.
Sorry OP but this is total balony. You CAN toggle the helmet off and on in ME 2, you just have to do it in your ship. Your argument that the armor is one piece doesnt even make sense.
Since you can toggle it off and on onboard the Normandy, there's no reason they couldnt also allow you to toggle it on and off ground side, except that they didnt add the feature. Period.
you can't with Cerberus, terminus, Inferno, or blood dragon, only with the N7, which people are not complaining about. Did you read any of the posts by Bioware that said that the DLC armor was in one piece? people aren't complaining about the N7 armor, they are complaining about the DLC armor!Corehaven22 wrote...
Firesteel7 wrote...
I am sorry if this makes anyone angry, but here is my two sense on why it was not included, and why it won't be.
First the "official" reason: art purposes, each suit was designed as a complete set, this makes some sense, but really avoids the question.You can build something as a single piece, but add the option to remove parts of it later in development.
My two sense: The real reason Bioware did this was if you look at N7 Armor, head wear has its own bonus, so at least for N7, no hope of helmet toggle either way. Now on to the DLC armor. the DLC armor has no toggle for the same reason, just because we cannot take it apart we do not know the bonus each item gives. Let's take Terminus for example, the legs can give the +10% sprint speed, the chest gives +5% shields, shoulders +5% Shields, arms give +10% ammo, and head gives +5% shields, in total +15% shields, +10% sprint, and + 10% ammo. If Bioware put in helmet toggle, it would be far more than just cosmetic, they would have to code the game so that it would change protection if you had toggled the helmet on or off.
I hope this is actually why Bioware did this, if not, it is just wild speculation, but i does make some sense right?
Again, sorry that I burst a lot of people's bubbles, but I felt this is something people want a lot, and thought that I might point out some of the finer issues with it.
Sorry OP but this is total balony. You CAN toggle the helmet off and on in ME 2, you just have to do it in your ship. Your argument that the armor is one piece doesnt even make sense.
Since you can toggle it off and on onboard the Normandy, there's no reason they couldnt also allow you to toggle it on and off ground side, except that they didnt add the feature. Period.
FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
You must be referring to the default N7 armor. We're talking DLC armor here, e.g. Collector, Inferno, Blood Dragon, etc
Modifié par Jade Elf, 20 avril 2010 - 10:06 .
My point is in the prior. If you can't see it beyond the veil of ignorance you've generously swaddled yourself in, that's not my problem.Darkhour wrote...
FlyingWalrus wrote...
Perhaps in whatever egocentric fantasy you reside in, but my actual supposition is it fell on the list of priorities being that they literally rebuilt the game engine from the ground.Darkhour wrote...
So your theory is that Bioware caught f*cking retards virus since ME1 and in a retarded fever intentionally made a feature of the game inferior?
They built ME1 from the ground up and it had a helmet toggle. What's your point?
Modifié par Srau, 20 avril 2010 - 11:14 .
This is from Dragon Age, you nimrod.Srau wrote...
Right.
EDIT : don't even ask how, i don't know, i just found the screen.
No it's not.Srau wrote...
Yeah, thanks for such a great enlightment <_<
Still is ME2 Blood Dragon armor tho, and Helmetless please.
FlyingWalrus wrote...
My point is in the prior. If you can't see it beyond the veil of ignorance you've generously swaddled yourself in, that's not my problem.
And let's not confuse placeables for actual armor art assets. If any of you have played Neverwinter Nights and ever messed around with the Aurora tool, you'd know that the corpses, weapons, and armors that you see lying around on some levels are placeables, not actual equipment models. Equipment models are far more complex in the sense that they have to animate whereas a placeable is little more than a sprite that never changes. Using the sight of whatever DLC armor of your choice on the table during the Lost Memories mission as proof of concept is a logical fallacy.
It's never been denied that it can be done; it's a matter of how much effort it would take. All the DLC armors up to this point seem to be rendered from one model. You can't just slip in a code to make the headpiece disappear because, in the art resources of the file, there is no headpiece. There's only the entire armor. The only solution, then, would be to make an entirely new file that includes both the language to make the headpiece true (appear) or false (not appear) plus two polygonal models: the suit with the helmet, and the suit without the helmet.
And they would have to be animating models as well.
Modifié par CatatonicMan, 20 avril 2010 - 11:32 .
Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 20 avril 2010 - 11:49 .
uberdowzen wrote...
@ OP, sure but it's possible to hide the helmets and still have the bonuses take effect. Do you mean it'd make no sense if the helmet was off and it still provided bonuses? This doesn't matter for the DLC armour because the helmets don't add any bonuses anyway.
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