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Archereon

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Has been that Paragons have actually been setting themselves up to get royally screwed.


Saving the Rachni?  All the Reapers have to do is send another "oily tone" through space and boom, Reapers have a Rachni army.

Sparing the Heretics?  It backfires and all geth besides legion and other isolated platforms become heretics.

Sparing the Council?  "Ah yes, Reapers."

Destroying the Collector Base?  You dumbarses!

Curing the Genophage?  RAAAAWR, KROGAN SMASH ALL PUNY ALIENZ!




Now that would suck so much for me, a dedicated paragon, but it would be kind of hilarious.

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indoctrination is a slow process. you don't whip that out in the middle of a space battle. i expect the reapers will be too busy trying to repel my infinite waves of krogan/rachni boarders to focus on indoctrination. :P

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curly haired boy wrote...

indoctrination is a slow process. you don't whip that out in the middle of a space battle. i expect the reapers will be too busy trying to repel my infinite waves of krogan/rachni boarders to focus on indoctrination. :P


yeah and to be honest, you don't know if the rachni have counter-measures now. Secondly, you have Wrex, the leader of the krogan who is your best friend. The geth I could see... but either way, I see it as an fun oppunity. XD

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The Illusive Sheen might be a Palpatine wannabe, but blowing up that station sure did look like a weird tactical move, eh?

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DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

The Illusive Sheen might be a Palpatine wannabe, but blowing up that station sure did look like a weird tactical move, eh?

It makes no diference, the new novel and the end of ME2 show that we get data/tech from the Reaper base anyway...

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Rocket Weazle wrote...

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

The Illusive Sheen might be a Palpatine wannabe, but blowing up that station sure did look like a weird tactical move, eh?

It makes no diference, the new novel and the end of ME2 show that we get data/tech from the Reaper base anyway...

I totally agree, I Am sure EDI was hacking the **** out of that base while I was destroying it. Didn't look werid to me, looks to me like removing an harden enemy postion that few could get to.

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I dont think it was very Paragon as well to give TIM a shuthef**kupacut and the end of ME2 if you destroyed the base ether.

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Plus, Normandy SR2 and Council ships have Thanix cannons, which incase people don't know, is version of Soverigns laser beam thing. Reapers aint so tough.

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I found it really annoying that on Legions loyalty mission the a its paragon to talk about how bad it is to rewrite the heretic geth but then the paragon action when you have to decide is to rewrite them? Image IPB
WTF!? I destroyed the base even on my paragon playthrough.

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Zanramon wrote...

I dont think it was very Paragon as well to give TIM a shuthef**kupacut and the end of ME2 if you destroyed the base ether.


shuthe****upacut, lol Image IPB

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Archereon wrote...

Has been that Paragons have actually been setting themselves up to get royally screwed.


Saving the Rachni?  All the Reapers have to do is send another "oily tone" through space and boom, Reapers have a Rachni army.

Sparing the Heretics?  It backfires and all geth besides legion and other isolated platforms become heretics.

Destroying the Collector Base?  You dumbarses!

Those I can see happening, especially the geth. But;

Archereon wrote...

Curing the Genophage?  RAAAAWR,
KROGAN SMASH ALL PUNY ALIENZ!

This I can't see making a
difference. Unless ME3 is years in the future or something.. I mean,
first,you'd need afew more years to finish developing a cure, then you'd
need however many more years it takes for krogan to grow up to get any
decent increase in their numbers. It might be usable as a bargaining
chip to gain help from the krogan, but more than that?

Unless I'm missing something obvious here which is highly possible.

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I think it would be kind of cool if the 'good' options are not nescasarily the right options.Would be a nice twist anway.



Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

I totally agree, I Am sure EDI was hacking the **** out of that base while I was destroying it. Didn't look werid to me, looks to me like removing an harden enemy postion that few could get to.



Don't forget that cerbarus had a team on the derelict reaper for quite some time.

Modifié par piemanz, 19 avril 2010 - 08:18 .


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Archereon wrote...

Has been that Paragons have actually been setting themselves up to get royally screwed.


Saving the Rachni?  All the Reapers have to do is send another "oily tone" through space and boom, Reapers have a Rachni army.

This is illogical since the reapers are hell-bent on destroying civilization, and are cocky bastards about it.  Besides, this logic is true for any species.

Sparing the Heretics?  It backfires and all geth besides legion and other isolated platforms become heretics.

You got a crystal ball to prove this?

Sparing the Council?  "Ah yes, Reapers."

Better than the human-lead council who completely ignores you.  At least the original council will hear you out, even if they're buttholes about it.

Destroying the Collector Base?  You dumbarses!

So you'd rather hand it over to TiM who is somehow convinced "Cerberus is humanity!"???

Curing the Genophage?  RAAAAWR, KROGAN SMASH ALL PUNY ALIENZ!

When did this happen exactly?  You been watchin too much Incredible Hulk <_<


Now that would suck so much for me, a dedicated paragon, but it would be kind of hilarious.


So... hows your renegadeness going again? :ph34r:

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You'd think that but think about some of the renegade results

1. Humans have control of the government but It is falling apart due to anti-human tensions
2. the citidel fleet is severley damaged because the asari and Turians have refused to aide reconstruction
3.tensions with human Biotics are at an all time high
4. a human superiority terrorist organization has become increasingly powerful, this will cause greater tensions with the other races
5. Potential allies have little to no reason to trust you.
6. human led C-sec has effectivly created a totalitarian police state on the citidel

If anything Renegades are just as screwed as the paragons except the renegades have less possible allies

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Primero: On point 6, see World War II in Russia. Sure, 37 million people died, but the Russians got the job done, because despite the ineptitude of their leadership.


And by the way everyone, I play uber paragon, but even I would think it would be funny if Bioware screwed us over for making what seemed like all the right choices.

Modifié par Archereon, 19 avril 2010 - 08:33 .


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Archereon wrote...

Has been that Paragons have actually been setting themselves up to get royally screwed.


Saving the Rachni?  All the Reapers have to do is send another "oily tone" through space and boom, Reapers have a Rachni army.

Sparing the Heretics?  It backfires and all geth besides legion and other isolated platforms become heretics.

Sparing the Council?  "Ah yes, Reapers."

Destroying the Collector Base?  You dumbarses!

Curing the Genophage?  RAAAAWR, KROGAN SMASH ALL PUNY ALIENZ!




Now that would suck so much for me, a dedicated paragon, but it would be kind of hilarious.


I'm a paragon too. Funny thing about it, I'd laugh histerically, then cry.

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There's no such thing as a right choice, just good and bad ones.

Too bad there's no reward for being a "tweener".  Knowing when to show compassion and when to crack the whip is an important facet in life.:whistle:

Modifié par amcnow, 19 avril 2010 - 08:39 .


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Archereon wrote...

Primero: On point 6, see World War II in Russia. Sure, 37 million people died, but the Russians got the job done, because despite the ineptitude of their leadership.

that may be true but the U.S. and Britain also got the job done; and which country still exists? U.S.S.R. or U.S.A.

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amcnow wrote...

There's no such thing as a right choice, just good and bad ones.

Too bad there's no reward for being a "tweener".  Knowing when to show compassion and when to crack the whip is an important facet in life.:whistle:


Agreed. If you do that in ME2, you won't have enough paragon or renegade at the end of the game to take either route, sadly.

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How about LI Liara personally handing you over to possible future LI Miranda? Now thát's irony!



I agree on most of your points, though I play from the "better safe than sorry" point of view, which differs from yours in that I destroyed the Genophage cure not simple for the rest of the galaxy's sake, but also for Wrex and his fellow krogan, while I prevented TIM from attaining the Collector Base.



"How unfair, all I want is unlimited power."

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primero holodon wrote...

that may be true but the U.S. and Britain also got the job done; and which country still exists? U.S.S.R. or U.S.A.


It wasn't Americans of Brits that won WW2, lol.

They essentially flanked a crippled foe and rushed to Berlin to steal the Russians' thunder.

That'd be like the Council waltzing in at the very last minute, blowing up the last 3-4 Reapers and claiming they did exactly half of the job.

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Archereon wrote...

Saving the Rachni?  All the Reapers have to do is send another "oily tone" through space and boom, Reapers have a Rachni army.


Assuming the Queen isn't fully prepared for this and developing mental defenses against it, given she knows just exactly who turned the Rachni on the galaxy and how they did it.

Sparing the Heretics?  It backfires and all geth besides legion and other isolated platforms become heretics.


Why would they?

Sparing the Council?  "Ah yes, Reapers."


Because the replacement Councils are so much more receptive.

Destroying the Collector Base?  You dumbarses!


Yeah I didn't give a Reaper-o-matic to a racist megalomaniac. I am teh dumb.

Curing the Genophage?  RAAAAWR, KROGAN SMASH ALL PUNY ALIENZ!


Meh, anti-Reaper Krogan army ftw. Then genophage them again.
Yeah I'm an ass.

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primero holodon wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Primero: On point 6, see World War II in Russia. Sure, 37 million people died, but the Russians got the job done, because despite the ineptitude of their leadership.

that may be true but the U.S. and Britain also got the job done; and which country still exists? U.S.S.R. or U.S.A.


That is really evading the point.
The fall of the USSR had nothing to do with WWII.
& the USSR gained more from WWII so you could say they came out better than the westerners.
Either way they finished the job, something the Brits & the US didn't do.

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Archereon wrote...

Has been that Paragons have actually been setting themselves up to get royally screwed.


As satisfying as that would be, and even justified in a few cases, I'm positive this won't happen. In fact it is far more likely that renegades will be punished for their pragmaticism.

In the end though, none of your choices will really matter I suspect.

If Wrex lived, then he unifies the krogan with his wise diplomacy.

If he died, then Wreave unifies the krogan through military prowess.

If the rachni queen was saved then her fleet helps Shepard, but in introducing themselves in person Shepard loses the support of another key ally. As such, no matter your choices the size of your alliance is unchanged by the presence or lack of rachni.

If you re-wrote the heretics then they eventually separate again. If you blew them up then they manage to rebuild.

If you blew up the Collector base then Cerberus becomes your enemy and you need to chase after a new plot-device to save you from the Reapers. If you kept the base then TIM decides that becoming one with the Reapers is good for humanity and so you still become enemies with Cerberus, see no helpeful tech from the base, and still have to chase after that plot device.

Big choices.

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I think there's enough evidence to suggest that the Heretics were indoctrinated by Sovereign.

If so then they're unlikely to split again, and indoctrination takes time. Probably not easily achieved when everybody's, you know, shooting at the Reapers.

There's a reason why they usually shut down all the mass relays and partition the galaxy into bite-sized chunks.