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[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

No matter how many times I go over it in my head, I can't come up with a plausible motive... What on earth would Wilson have to gain by betraying Cerberus?

Working for  Cerberus, Wilson had to be aware of their methods, and that if he attempted to betray them TIM would have him tracked down and killed.

Furthermore, there was no money or power to be gained by sabotaging the Lazarus Project and killing Shepard. Unless of course, someone hired him to. Yet the fact that Wilson's motives were never revealed, and the unlikelihood that ANYONE would know the location of the Lazarus Project say otherwise.

Frankly, too much stinks with the story...

1.) You expect me to believe that a highly funded experiment like the Lazarus Project is so poorly guarded that a single man could cause that much trouble?

2.) A space station with a huge staff only has ONE Escape Shuttle?!!

3.) The only non mechanical guard/soldier onboard is Jacob?

4.) None of Wilson's Audio Logs make him sound the least bit suspicious or sinister, if anything he seems happy and privileged to be working on the Lazarus Project

5.) What was with that whole conversation between TIM & Miranda before the Normandy SR1 got owned? Sounds to me like TIM knew that the Collector's were going to attack the Normandy, (which isn't really that far-fetched considering he already knew more about the Collector's than you did, and was able to intercept that phony Turian Distress Call from the Collector Ship later in the game, so who's to say he didn't intercept a "we're going to kill Shepard" message?) and that Shepard wouldn't be too keen on joining Cerberus under normal circumstances, so they needed a Red Herring to make them look good. 

6.) Miranda just shoots Wilson on sight rather than detaining him to find out just who he was working for? That doesn't sound much like something TIM would normally order her to do, he'd want to know who Wilson was working for to insure that they wouldn't cause any further trouble for Cerberus in the future. TIM would want to know who almost successfully sabotaged the Lazarus Project and killed Shepard.

7.) Wilson decides to mutiny only after Shepard is well enough to stand on his own two feet? Why not sooner? If it was so easy for one man to slip past security and reprogram all the mechs to attack the staff, then why not do it before the project ever really got off the ground?

There's just too much wrong with the whole situation to be acceptable.
So either Wilson was just a Red Herring and the whole thing was fabricated to make Cerberus look more like saviors than the terrorists they are, or whoever wrote the story took everyone for idiots and never bothered to make it more convincing that Wilson went traitor, or bothered to give him a plausible motive.

Modifié par Blk_Mage_Ctype, 20 avril 2010 - 12:35 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

My thoughts exactly. Pretty baffling.

[Clive Howlitzer]

Glad I am not the only one who reads too much into things.

[Sand King]

See Jenkins

[Xaijin]

Stuff like that happens when you're under deadline and don't have a continuity editor.

[Funkcase]

There is a side quest where mech's have a virus, the mech's might have come from the same place and had the virus? Or he could have done it for The illusive man to test Shepard? Wilson did want more pay. It was awfully convenient that there was Shepard's N7 armor and a gun right by the bed....

[Ray Joel Oh]

I'd like there to be some grander explanation, but they gloss over the whole thing pretty quickly without foreshadowing any future developments.

[InvaderErl]

I'm in the middle of a paper ( heh) so I'll just respond to the one I can answer quickly



4. I'm sorry but you need to listen to the logs. Wilson says he doesn't think he's getting the appreciation he deserves and indicates he'd like more money. He's not going to go on a log and say, "I am highly dissatisfied with my company I think I'm going to pick up that betrayal offer I got a while ago from SB".

[smudboy]

The only two motives for his actions were 1) he wished he had more money, 2) Miranda was ignoring him. In a few days he'd be a rockstar of the science world, getting all the ass and cash he wanted. If he was a traitor, it implies he shot himself in the leg. It's then possible the mechs he's screaming about over the radio were him acting (unless that was genuine: but why would he setup mechs to also hurt/kill him?) His reaction toward hearing Jacob about Shepard being alive doesn't make any sense, since he saw Shepard with Miranda when Shepard opens their eyes the first time, unless he was simply expecting Shepard to be dead (but why would he assume that?)

Also, Shepard simply accepts whatever Miranda says after she shoots Wilson without much argument. Go tutorial level.

[Badpie]

I wondered about this too. Honestly I just thought it was a lazy loose end the writers thought we wouldn't notice.

[MassEffect762]

Streamlined plot fodder.

[OverlordNexas]

I always figured it was left intentionally vague. People who want to believe he was set up (which I believe) are free to believe that, and those who believe he was a traitor are free to believe that as well. There is no right or wrong answer here.

[Garuda One]

I agree they could have done something to make it sound more convincing.

[Xaijin]

It's directly implied he shot himself and pretty much hates Miranda's guts in his logs. TIM is also rather nonchalant about the news.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Why would he shoot himself instead of just running to the escape pod?

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

InvaderErl wrote...

I'm in the middle of a paper ( heh) so I'll just respond to the one I can answer quickly

4. I'm sorry but you need to listen to the logs. Wilson says he doesn't think he's getting the appreciation he deserves and indicates he'd like more money. He's not going to go on a log and say, "I am highly dissatisfied with my company I think I'm going to pick up that betrayal offer I got a while ago from SB".

I said they didn't make his sound suspicious or sinister, not that he didn't have anything negative to say about the job.

Besides, does anyone feel adequately paid and appreciated at their job?

[thatguy212]

they could try to fix it with the shadow broker/liara dlc when its released, the shadow broker could give a passing reference about wilson failing him or something, that would sorta give him a reason to betray cerberus

[Ray Joel Oh]

thatguy212 wrote...

they could try to fix it with the shadow broker/liara dlc when its released, the shadow broker could give a passing reference about wilson failing him or something, that would sorta give him a reason to betray cerberus

That'd help a lot, actually.

[InvaderErl]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I'm in the middle of a paper ( heh) so I'll just respond to the one I can answer quickly

4. I'm sorry but you need to listen to the logs. Wilson says he doesn't think he's getting the appreciation he deserves and indicates he'd like more money. He's not going to go on a log and say, "I am highly dissatisfied with my company I think I'm going to pick up that betrayal offer I got a while ago from SB".

I said they didn't make his sound suspicious or sinister, not that he didn't have anything negative to say about the job.

Besides, does anyone feel adequately paid and appreciated at their job?

So you want him to make silly asides or talk suspiciously? As soon as I met Wilson I knew he was the baddie, anymore and they may as well just had him let out a MUAHHAHAH.

[Ray Joel Oh]

InvaderErl wrote...

So you want him to make silly asides or talk suspiciously? As soon as I met Wilson I knew he was the baddie, anymore and they may as well just had him let out a MUAHHAHAH.

It still doesn't give him any justifications we can understand.  Hating your job isn't reason enough for any old @sshole to start killing everyone around him and endangering himself in the process.

[kraidy1117]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

No matter how many times I go over it in my head, I can't come up with a plausible motive... What on earth would Wilson have to gain by betraying Cerberus?

Working for  Cerberus, Wilson had to be aware of their methods, and that if he attempted to betray them TIM would have him tracked down and killed.

Furthermore, there was no money or power to be gained by sabotaging the Lazarus Project and killing Shepard. Unless of course, someone hired him to. Yet the fact that Wilson's motives were never revealed, and the unlikelihood that ANYONE would know the location of the Lazarus Project say otherwise.

Frankly, too much stinks with the story...

1.) You expect me to believe that a highly funded experiment like the Lazarus Project is so poorly guarded that a single man could cause that much trouble?

Wilson was the medical lead, he only answers to Miranda, Jacob says he should not even have mech clearence.

2.) A space station with a huge staff only has ONE Escape Shuttle?!!

The shuttle thing I will give you, but only Miranda, Jacob and Shepard survive, so more shuttles would be useless

3.) The only non mechanical guard/soldier onboard is Jacob?

wrong, there is more, Jacob was the lead guard, when you awake, you can see two Cerberus guards fight a MECH.

4.) None of Wilson's Audio Logs make him sound the least bit suspicious or sinister, if anything he seems happy and privileged to be working on the Lazarus Project

Wrong, Wilson is not happy that he is not getting alot of pay and does not like Miranda. As we know the SB and the Collectors want Shepard badly or even dead, Wilson was greedy and would take a offer if it gave alot of money.

5.) What was with that whole conversation between TIM & Miranda before the Normandy SR1 got owned? Sounds to me like TIM knew that the Collector's were going to attack the Normandy, (which isn't really that far-fetched considering he already knew more about the Collector's than you did, and was able to intercept that phony Turian Distress Call from the Collector Ship later in the game, so who's to say he didn't intercept a "we're going to kill Shepard" message?) and that Shepard wouldn't be too keen on joining Cerberus under normal circumstances, so they needed a Red Herring to make them look good. 

If TIM did put a tracker in the Normandy, then I would rather Bioware save that for ME3, I think there is more then meets the eye.

6.) Miranda just shoots Wilson on sight rather than detaining him to find out just who he was working for? That doesn't sound much like something TIM would normally order her to do, he'd want to know who Wilson was working for to insure that they wouldn't cause any further trouble for Cerberus in the future. TIM would want to know who almost successfully sabotaged the Lazarus Project and killed Shepard.

TIm him self says Miranda did what needed to be done. He knew that Wilson betrayed Cerberus, and he was hasppy that Miranda did what needed to be done.

7.) Wilson decides to mutiny only after Shepard is well enough to stand on his own two feet? Why not sooner? If it was so easy for one man to slip past security and reprogram all the mechs to attack the staff, then why not do it before the project ever really got off the ground?

Again, how was Wilson going to know who he was deeling with or the pay? That goes with his logs.

There's just too much wrong with the whole situation to be acceptable.
So either Wilson was just a Red Herring and the whole thing was fabricated to make Cerberus look more like saviors than the terrorists they are, or whoever wrote the story took everyone for idiots and never bothered to make it more convincing that Wilson went traitor, or bothered to give him a plausible motive.

As I keep saying, we have to wait for ME3, after ME3 then we can rip apart at things like this, because this is what I think. I think Wilson used Reaper tech, TIM and Miranda both knowing what he did, and a couple of days before the events something happen. This could have been TIMs plan to silence Wilson and make Cerberus look like good guys to Shepard, Wilson did betray Cerberus and was going to give the body to the Collectors or even kill Shepard for the SB or Wilson was not a traitor (tho I kinda find that funny that he says he is shot yet there is no MECHs in that room, he most likely shot his leg)

[InvaderErl]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

So you want him to make silly asides or talk suspiciously? As soon as I met Wilson I knew he was the baddie, anymore and they may as well just had him let out a MUAHHAHAH.

It still doesn't give him any justifications we can understand.  Hating your job isn't reason enough for any old @sshole to start killing everyone around him and endangering himself in the process.

I assume he was offered a great deal of money since money seems to be a prime motivator for him.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Yeah, maybe, but they don't ever say from whom. Or what motivation that entity would have for wanting Shepard dead.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 20 avril 2010 - 12:57 .

[Jackal904]

I'm thinking the collectors hired Wilson to get them Shepard's body once he was all healed up. So he tried to kill everyone except Shepard, and it did't quite work out. Man, I just came up with that in 20 seconds and it seems pretty logical. I thought it was kind of obvious, but it wouldn't have hurt for BioWare to explain it.

He could also have been indoctrinated.

Modifié par Jackal904, 20 avril 2010 - 12:58 .

[janeym27]

Hmm... I'd always assumed it was just convenient plotting to set up the tutorial level, but this thread makes a good point.



Re: Wilson in his logs. The logs that play are a very random assortment of snippets. (I know they are there to fill us in about the Lazerus project, but the specicif sections which play make no sense as the top entries at the various points.) Why do Wilson's personal logs where he is complaining about lack of appreciation even play like that? Seems to me that if you are going to moan about work, you don't record it on your work databases (especially when you work for someone like Cerberus). Also, in order to get attacked by the very mechs you unleashed, you'd need to be pretty incompetant.



I would love for there to be something more to this, but unless Cerberus shows itself to be some kind of Big Bad in ME3, I can't see it happening.