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[Aisynia]

Assuming we have Avernus teach us what he did?

Cause he seems to be pretty damned fine for a Grey Warden who is at least over a hundred years old.

[jsachun]

Was he a grey warden though? Or just a mage working for Sophia? I don't think it mentions anywhere that he infact was a warden.

[Aisynia]

It's super, super heavily implied that he is indeed a warden. I mean, he never out and out says it, but I thought it was pretty obvious that everyone at the peak was a warden, and him in particular.

Also forget about that "The Grey Wardens only have one mage at a time" nonsense. People say that, but it's continually proven wrong. Maybe it's lies intentionally spread by the wardens, who knows.

Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 10:11 .

[Urshakk]

jsachun wrote...

Was he a grey warden though? Or just a mage working for Sophia? I don't think it mentions anywhere that he infact was a warden.

Well, when you talk to him after sealing the veil one of the options is: "I cast you out of the Wardens" and when you first meet him: "The old Warden mage? You're still alive?" So yes he is a Grey Warden. After you ask him how he is still alive he will say that blood magic can only go so far, and if you read Avernus' journal you can see he is still feeling the calling, it is just being delayed by his blood magic.

[jsachun]

Well, in Awkening there are other people in the Keep who are not wardens (Anders would be a classic example). Sophia is a noble afterall, so why couldn't he have been a mage counsel for whatever noble title that Sophia had?

[Aisynia]

Urshakk wrote...

jsachun wrote...

Was he a grey warden though? Or just a mage working for Sophia? I don't think it mentions anywhere that he infact was a warden.

Well, when you talk to him after sealing the veil one of the options is: "I cast you out of the Wardens" and when you first meet him: "The old Warden mage? You're still alive?" So yes he is a Grey Warden. After you ask him how he is still alive he will say that blood magic can only go so far, and if you read Avernus' journal you can see he is still feeling the calling, it is just being delayed by his blood magic.

Indeed... what I mean is that.. it sure beats the whole "30 years to live" thing.

I always do Soldier's Peak first so by the time Alistair drops the news on me about the Calling and the lifespan, my mages are thinking *Snirk* "Maybe for you."

[Aisynia]

jsachun wrote...

Well, in Awkening there are other people in the Keep who are not wardens (Anders would be a classic example). Sophia is a noble afterall, so why couldn't he have been a mage counsel for whatever noble title that Sophia had?

The journal entries cited above, he's a warden and is feeling the calling, but he delayed it a long time.

Anders was a prisoner.

EDIT: To further clarify... Vigil's Keep is the major stronghold for the region, owned and operated by the arl or arlessa (Warden-Commander now) of Amaranthine. It serves not only as a warden base, but the primary military base for the entire arling. Soldier's Peak was specifically a warden stronghold, built for the wardens alone.

Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 10:18 .

[Meliorist13]

Yes Avernus is a grey warden. When you face him, you have the option to kill him, let him continue his research, continue his research in a more humane way, or exile him from the wardens, I think there is one more option, but I can't think of it.

[jsachun]

Right, say he was a warden (I always kill him at the tower & get Sopphia to close the veil), what implies that he is a blood mage?

Modifié par jsachun, 20 avril 2010 - 10:20 .

[Urshakk]

Aisynia wrote...
Indeed... what I mean is that.. it sure beats the whole "30 years to live" thing.

I always do Soldier's Peak first so by the time Alistair drops the news on me about the Calling and the lifespan, my mages are thinking *Snirk* "Maybe for you."

He never says how long he has extended his life for, or how many times, so its 30 years and then some. All up for speculation.

[Urshakk]

jsachun wrote...

Right, say he was a warden (I always kill him at the tower & get Sopphia to close the veil), what implies that he is a blood mage?

He says he uses blood magic and you can ask him about it. Leliana also comments on this if you bring her with you.

[Aisynia]

Aside from the fact that he says so, and that you see him summoning demons..?



Try taking his side next time, he has a lot of interesting information and a cool background.



If you ask him how he has survived so long, he says it's a combination of his research and blood magic.



He also can tell you are a warden on sight, and if you ask him how he can tell, he gives basically the same answer, a combination of his research and blood magic.



Specifically, his research was a new field of blood magic that manipulates the darkspawn taint. I have personally coined this "taint magic"

[Lintanis]

Talking about Avernus does anyone else think it was a bit suspicious that the power of blood vial you can drink just happens to be left outside Avernus' room,

[jsachun]

I always thought he was something closer to an abomination than a blood mage. Raising demons & practicing blood magic I thought was quite different. And the tainted blood abilities can be learnt by anyone whether you are a blood mage or not.

Modifié par jsachun, 20 avril 2010 - 11:19 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Of course he's a Grey Warden! Hes only alive cause his life force is being preserved by a simular source of the zombie sophia to techinally hes dead. It states that hes a warden.

[Desyndra]

Urshakk wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
Indeed... what I mean is that.. it sure beats the whole "30 years to live" thing.

I always do Soldier's Peak first so by the time Alistair drops the news on me about the Calling and the lifespan, my mages are thinking *Snirk* "Maybe for you."

He never says how long he has extended his life for, or how many times, so its 30 years and then some. All up for speculation.

No need to tell, it is stated in the game (and in 'The Calling) that the Grey Wardens had been exiled for about 200 years before King Maric allowed them to return to Ferelden, and that was about 20 years before the events of DA:O.

So old Avernus is at least 220 years old, plus his age at the time of Sophia's last stand.

[Aisynia]

Urshakk wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
Indeed... what I mean is that.. it sure beats the whole "30 years to live" thing.

I always do Soldier's Peak first so by the time Alistair drops the news on me about the Calling and the lifespan, my mages are thinking *Snirk* "Maybe for you."

He never says how long he has extended his life for, or how many times, so its 30 years and then some. All up for speculation.

No we don't know the specifics, but looking at direct evidence, we saw him as a relatively young man in the flashbacks, probably no older than thirty. We also know that at least a century has passed since the siege at the keep that led to that whole mess.

So I will make some conservative estimates:

We can safely say he would have lived to around 50-60 before succumbing to the taint in the normal fashion, assuming he was Joined sometime in the 10 years before the siege.

I don't know the exact dates, or if they are given, but this is directly from the wiki: King Arland was the King of Ferelden two centuries before Maric ruled.

Emphasis on the span of time is mine. also note that it said before Maric ruled, not Cailan. We could argue that means when Maric was crowned around the beginning of the Dragon Age, but I will take the conservative route and just make it present minus 200 years.

With between 20-30 years to live, he would have had to extend his lifespan a minimum of 170 years to still be alive in the present, though he admits he doesn't have much time left.

None of this is hard, empirical data, but we can infer that he is at least 220-230 years old.

It's not immortality, but it's better than most get, and it's certainly better than any other Grey Warden has achieved. I'll take it

Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 10:38 .

[Aisynia]

Desyndra wrote...

Urshakk wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
Indeed... what I mean is that.. it sure beats the whole "30 years to live" thing.

I always do Soldier's Peak first so by the time Alistair drops the news on me about the Calling and the lifespan, my mages are thinking *Snirk* "Maybe for you."

He never says how long he has extended his life for, or how many times, so its 30 years and then some. All up for speculation.

No need to tell, it is stated in the game (and in 'The Calling) that the Grey Wardens had been exiled for about 200 years before King Maric allowed them to return to Ferelden, and that was about 20 years before the events of DA:O.

So old Avernus is at least 220 years old, plus his age at the time of Sophia's last stand.

Yeah, after reading that, I looked it up and then made the post right below yours, though it took me a few minutes. Seems we are in agreement that he is at least 220, possibly older.

Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 10:39 .

[Urshakk]

Desyndra wrote...
No need to tell, it is stated in the game (and in 'The Calling) that the Grey Wardens had been exiled for about 200 years before King Maric allowed them to return to Ferelden, and that was about 20 years before the events of DA:O.

So old Avernus is at least 220 years old, plus his age at the time of Sophia's last stand.

Damn!  That's old.

[jsachun]

It's funny how he doesn't use any blood magic though in the game, because that would make him quite a tough opponent. Only opponents I've faced that uses blood magic are Caladrius, Blood Mage Leader, & the Mad Hermit, and they are all tough enemies. Although his robe suggests that he is a blood mage, I've never faced him while he was using bloog magic.

Modifié par jsachun, 20 avril 2010 - 10:49 .

[Urshakk]

jsachun wrote...

It's funny how he doesn't use any blood magic though in the game, because that would make him quite a tough opponent. Only opponents I've faced that uses blood magic are Caladrius, Blood Mage Leader, & the Mad Hermit, and they are all tough enemies.Although his robe suggests that he is a blood mage, I've never faced him while he was using bloog magic.

I dunno, I've never killed him but his robes are unique and improve blood magic so I assumed he would actually use it in combat.

EDIT: Ah, you added the part about his robes as I posted

Modifié par Urshakk, 20 avril 2010 - 10:50 .

[Aisynia]

We don't know that for sure. Even if it's true, that doesn't make it impossible to emulate.. just really screwed up

[Tooneyman]

Doesn't matter blood mages rule haha!