I know that in the game almost no one cares or even notices if your warden is a blood mage but since it’s supposed to be such a big deal according to the lore I wonder how it would be to roleplay a character with this specialization and taking game decisions based on it. I’d like to know other peoples thoughts about this.
First of all what would be the characters motivation for doing this, assuming it’s something more complicated than being “evil”. Would the companions leave when they found out about it? Wynne clearly finds it unacceptable but I don’t know if Alistair, Leilana and Sten could be persuaded to stay if the character kept using the blood mage abilities… and how about the rest of the group?
Roleplaying a blood mage
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Yendi
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 12:31
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Well Yendi i myself find it hard to understand why did anyone including Morrigan did not comment on how and why i learned blood magic when i returned from the fade to save Connor.And i also think that blood magic is the most powerful spell in the game if you know how to use it.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 12:43
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There's supposed to be a scene that triggers in the Circle Tower if you've already taken the Blood Mage specialization prior or during saving it. Wynne will make a remark about how the spells you used were not so different from the spells the blood mages you've encountered were using. Unless you pass a persuade check, everyone in the room (except for your party members less Wynne) will attack you. You lose support from both Templars and Mages when that happens obviously since you're forced to slaughter them.
I don't think this scene is included in the original game though (unless you have a mod installed that fixes this), and I can understand why. I've read somewhere in the forums about a user not being able to advance to the Landsmeet arc because Eamon insists that you don't have all your treaties. If there's a fix that addresses this particular issue, I don't know.
But yeah, that's one of the major repercussions of taking up blood magic early. And a strong enough reaction from your companions, yes? xP
I don't think this scene is included in the original game though (unless you have a mod installed that fixes this), and I can understand why. I've read somewhere in the forums about a user not being able to advance to the Landsmeet arc because Eamon insists that you don't have all your treaties. If there's a fix that addresses this particular issue, I don't know.
But yeah, that's one of the major repercussions of taking up blood magic early. And a strong enough reaction from your companions, yes? xP
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 12:48
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Actually being a blood mage matters in a couple spots.
For instance, inside the Circle Tower, there is a blood mage that you encounter, and upon defeating her, you get a conversation. She explains what's going on in the tower as she lays on the floor. If you are a Blood Mage, Reaver, or Assassin, you can get yourself a dialogue option telling her to redeem herself by fighting Darkspawn. She says "but I'm.." and you can say "A maleficar, yes. It means you're better at killing darkspawn".
Also, Morrigan, when proposing the Dark Ritual, will, upon being pressed, admit that it's a form of blood magic, but say something like "Not that someone like you would have an issue with that".
The above two instances, as said, are specific to Blood Mages, Reavers and Assassins, which are referred to as "demon classes" in the editor. There may be more encounters regarding the demon classes, but I don't know of them.
There is one specific to Blood Mages only though... a dialogue that got removed from the very end of the Circle Tower level. You are talking to Gregior, Wynne, and Irving, and then Wynne speaks up saying she said she saw you use spells that were "powerful and disturbing" that aren't taught by the circle. You can admit you are a blood mage, at which point you are forced to fight and kill everyone. That means no mages or templars in your army at all. Or you can persuade them, saying that those were not your spells, or that they were special Grey Warden spells.
If you are on the PC, there is a mod that restores that encounter.
Check for the blood mage package optional file here if you are on PC and want that encounter back.
www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php
For instance, inside the Circle Tower, there is a blood mage that you encounter, and upon defeating her, you get a conversation. She explains what's going on in the tower as she lays on the floor. If you are a Blood Mage, Reaver, or Assassin, you can get yourself a dialogue option telling her to redeem herself by fighting Darkspawn. She says "but I'm.." and you can say "A maleficar, yes. It means you're better at killing darkspawn".
Also, Morrigan, when proposing the Dark Ritual, will, upon being pressed, admit that it's a form of blood magic, but say something like "Not that someone like you would have an issue with that".
The above two instances, as said, are specific to Blood Mages, Reavers and Assassins, which are referred to as "demon classes" in the editor. There may be more encounters regarding the demon classes, but I don't know of them.
There is one specific to Blood Mages only though... a dialogue that got removed from the very end of the Circle Tower level. You are talking to Gregior, Wynne, and Irving, and then Wynne speaks up saying she said she saw you use spells that were "powerful and disturbing" that aren't taught by the circle. You can admit you are a blood mage, at which point you are forced to fight and kill everyone. That means no mages or templars in your army at all. Or you can persuade them, saying that those were not your spells, or that they were special Grey Warden spells.
If you are on the PC, there is a mod that restores that encounter.
Check for the blood mage package optional file here if you are on PC and want that encounter back.
www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php
Modifié par Aisynia, 20 avril 2010 - 12:51 .
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 12:57
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Oh.. as for roleplaying. I imagine that most people in the party KNOW or have suspicions, but understand your intentions. Definitely not something you walk around announcing however.
I play blood mages who are good guys, so to speak, using the magic as a tool to destroy the evil darkspawn and save the world.. many Grey Wardens have been blood mages after all.
It's not a very pretty magic, but it is powerful.
I play blood mages who are good guys, so to speak, using the magic as a tool to destroy the evil darkspawn and save the world.. many Grey Wardens have been blood mages after all.
It's not a very pretty magic, but it is powerful.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 01:01
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^ A yes...the DR thingy. If you allowed Jowan to use his blood magic ritual she'll bring it up.
The toolset gives priority to the Assasin/Reaver/BloodMage specs however. If you have one of those she''ll point out that you don't have a problem with blood magic. Now, why would she say that to an assassin is beyond me...
And there is this.... If you haven't finished Awakening yet, don't click on the link
http://img687.images...10032516472.jpg
The toolset gives priority to the Assasin/Reaver/BloodMage specs however. If you have one of those she''ll point out that you don't have a problem with blood magic. Now, why would she say that to an assassin is beyond me...
And there is this.... If you haven't finished Awakening yet, don't click on the link
http://img687.images...10032516472.jpg
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 01:14
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I thought that only happened if you abandoned Amaranthine. do you need to be a Blood Mage for it to say that, or is it just rumor because you made a bastard of yourself?
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 02:14
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The Circle tower scene didn't happen in my game so I the mod is probably needed but that reaction would make sense, you'd think at least mages or templar’s would notice when blood magic is used.
Interesting that the other chantry-friendly group members are not supposed to leave though. I guess at least with Alistair you can use the fact that Duncan and the other wardens would allow it as an argument. I'd imagine Morrigan would be so happy with the warden using blood magic that she would annoy Alistair and some of the others even more after that.
Interesting, I didn’t know that those dialogues were specific to "demon classes". As for playing a blood mage choosing that path for the greater good I think would sort of work but with some morally grey issues is that it does involve making a deal with a demon and taking control over another person, but perhaps the last one could be avoided.
Actually I haven't played awakenings yet so I don't know what happens with blood magic there but I never cared to much about spoilers and it's good that it’s mentioned like that in the expansion.
Interesting that the other chantry-friendly group members are not supposed to leave though. I guess at least with Alistair you can use the fact that Duncan and the other wardens would allow it as an argument. I'd imagine Morrigan would be so happy with the warden using blood magic that she would annoy Alistair and some of the others even more after that.
Interesting, I didn’t know that those dialogues were specific to "demon classes". As for playing a blood mage choosing that path for the greater good I think would sort of work but with some morally grey issues is that it does involve making a deal with a demon and taking control over another person, but perhaps the last one could be avoided.
Actually I haven't played awakenings yet so I don't know what happens with blood magic there but I never cared to much about spoilers and it's good that it’s mentioned like that in the expansion.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 03:47
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Morrigan doesn't like blood magic period. She all for apostes for blood magic she doesn't recommend it.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 04:05
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Tooneyman wrote...
Morrigan doesn't like blood magic period. She all for apostes for blood magic she doesn't recommend it.
Where the hell do you get that idea from? The Dark Ritual IS blood magic. I never heard her speak out against blood magic specifically, only that making deals with demons (something else entirely but related to blood magic) is a stupid idea, which.. well, it's true.
If I'm missing something here, feel free to point it out.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 04:12
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Tooneyman wrote...
Morrigan doesn't like blood magic period. She all for apostes for blood magic she doesn't recommend it.
It just that she seems to like everything that the chantry says is wrong and when talking with Jowan it sounded like she was saying that "he's not good enough to be a blood mage" but perhaps I misunderstood it. Also with her special game end ritual it seems like she couldn't be against the use that kind of magic for moral reasons at least.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 04:23
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Yendi wrote...
Tooneyman wrote...
Morrigan doesn't like blood magic period. She all for apostes for blood magic she doesn't recommend it.
It just that she seems to like everything that the chantry says is wrong and when talking with Jowan it sounded like she was saying that "he's not good enough to be a blood mage" but perhaps I misunderstood it. Also with her special game end ritual it seems like she couldn't be against the use that kind of magic for moral reasons at least.
Oh if we're talking about Jowan.. I didn't think she was showing disdain for Blood Magic. It was one of two things:
1) Genuine surprise, as Jowan has the kind of face, attitude and demeanor you wouldn't expect from a hardened blood mage..
2) Complete sarcasm, expressing that it was obvious to her that he was indeed a blood mage.
Nowhere in there did I detect a dislike for blood magic on her part.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 04:25
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I don't think Morrigan is against bloodmagic, The wikia also recommends making her one.
From the Wikia: "Its also advisable that you make her a blood mage. Not only does she get a bonus to constitution but a slight bonus to spellpower will make her cold-based spells more likely to freeze enemies. Plus the fact that you can use blood magic, if you raise blood mage all the way up you gain the Blood Control spell which can come very useful against strong bosses with many minions around such as the Broodmother battle."
You can read it here: Companion Strategies
From the Wikia: "Its also advisable that you make her a blood mage. Not only does she get a bonus to constitution but a slight bonus to spellpower will make her cold-based spells more likely to freeze enemies. Plus the fact that you can use blood magic, if you raise blood mage all the way up you gain the Blood Control spell which can come very useful against strong bosses with many minions around such as the Broodmother battle."
You can read it here: Companion Strategies
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 04:30
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I would cite that except that you can also spec Wynne as a blood mage, something that is completely ignored. Missed opportunity really..
I wish there was a way to "Harden" Wynne so that she would willingly learn Blood Magic
I wish there was a way to "Harden" Wynne so that she would willingly learn Blood Magic
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 07:39
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If you make Anders a Blood Mage in Awakening, one of the dialogue options you can get if you talk to him (when you click a tree right outside Amaranthine) is "But you are a blood mage!".
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 07:49
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OldMan91 wrote...
If you make Anders a Blood Mage in Awakening, one of the dialogue options you can get if you talk to him (when you click a tree right outside Amaranthine) is "But you are a blood mage!".
Lulz that is funny. I think he replies something like "Well I am now. Don't think the irony is lost on me"
Aaaah, ilu Anders.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 10:16
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I roleplayed it like this: My PC mage was actually an apprentice of Uldred and had started learning blood magic from him out of an interest in ancient forms of elven magic. She was being subversive, but didn't intend to use it against anyone, she just felt it her right as an elf to know this lore.
After becoming a Warden, she got a look at the darkspawn emissaries at work in Ostagar and realized that compared to the pathetic Circle mages, they were much stronger. When it came around that she was the only Warden mage left in Ferelden, she realized that she was either going to advance in blood magic or keep throwing spitballs and the world was going to end. She took the deal with Connor's demon intending to help him later on to fight it, if/when it came back to him and if she survived the Blight. She didn't really expect to do that, however, so it didn't matter much to her whether people thought she was a maleficar or not.
Edit: Oh, also- after the incident with Isolde, my PC mage realized that she would not always have access to lyrium to power the kind of strenuous magic she was going to need in order to fight the Blight. Having blood magic at her disposal could be the difference between life and death, saving the world or having it swallowed by darkspawn.
After becoming a Warden, she got a look at the darkspawn emissaries at work in Ostagar and realized that compared to the pathetic Circle mages, they were much stronger. When it came around that she was the only Warden mage left in Ferelden, she realized that she was either going to advance in blood magic or keep throwing spitballs and the world was going to end. She took the deal with Connor's demon intending to help him later on to fight it, if/when it came back to him and if she survived the Blight. She didn't really expect to do that, however, so it didn't matter much to her whether people thought she was a maleficar or not.
Edit: Oh, also- after the incident with Isolde, my PC mage realized that she would not always have access to lyrium to power the kind of strenuous magic she was going to need in order to fight the Blight. Having blood magic at her disposal could be the difference between life and death, saving the world or having it swallowed by darkspawn.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 10:18
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She does talk about maleficarum and distinguishes herself from them, saying that just because she practices unsanctioned magic doesn't mean she practices evil. Which is exactly how my PC blood mage looks at it. If she uses her own blood or that of willing allies to kill darkspawn (or the occasional bandit posse), then what is it to anyone else?Meliorist13 wrote...
I don't think Morrigan is against bloodmagic, The wikia also recommends making her one.
I always make Morrigan a blood mage now. Just too used to Blood Wound and don't want to go without it.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 10:32
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Yeah, I took it as a 'this pathetic weakling is a blood-dabbling maleficar?' myself.
Aisynia wrote...
Oh if we're talking about Jowan.. I didn't think she was showing disdain for Blood Magic. It was one of two things:
1) Genuine surprise, as Jowan has the kind of face, attitude and demeanor you wouldn't expect from a hardened blood mage..
2) Complete sarcasm, expressing that it was obvious to her that he was indeed a blood mage.
Nowhere in there did I detect a dislike for blood magic on her part.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 11:05
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Hazar had always tried to understand everything, think everything trought and then do the right thing. This was untill he helped Jowan. All the time he thought he was jdoing the right thing. Helping a mage just like him. Not noce did he suspect that Jowan was infact a bloodmage and wielded power beyond Hazar's understanding. His choice that day ruined an innocent girl's life. Hazar blamed his own lack of knowledge. He started to develop an obsession with blood magic. If he could understand it, he would not make this mistake again.
Then when he came back to the Tower, it was overrun by blood mages and abominations. This strenghtens Hazar's resolve. If only the Elder mages had been more knowledgable about blood magic this would not have happened. It is then he finds the stash of blood magic books in the First Enchanter's study. He is thrilled at the opportunity this gives him. After the Circle is quiet again, Hazar uses his evenings at camp to study the books learning much. Yet he always feels he's not quite getting it. He starts to think about learning some harmless blood magic. Hazar feels that if anyone could responsibly learn about these powers it has to be him. After all, the only misjudgement he did make was because he did not know blood magic well enough.
After not gaining any new knowledge for days Hazar arrives at the Castle. Without thinking he volunteers to kill the demon. And then the demon proposes the one thing he feels he needs to save everyone: the knowledge of blood magic. But, should he really sacrifice a young mage for this purpose? Hazar is confident though, this arrangement can be bend to his advantage. He will find a way around it. He will train Connor so when the demon comes back, Connor will be ready. Hazar receives the knowledge he craves. He leaves Connor behind in the castle, hoping to be able to transfer him to the Tower soon. Then he can start the training.
Unfortunaly, little did Hazar know that a Grey Warden only has a short life ahead of him. When Alistair tells him about the shorten lifespan my mage explodes in anger. Alistair thinks that it must mean that even my mage fears death. But Hazar simply knows: there is not enough time to train Connor. The boy is doomed.
A few times Hazar returns to the Tower. He tries to start a conversation with the First Enchanter about the protection Connor might need. Everytime the First Enchanter only praises Hazar as a good example of the Tower and mages as a whole. Hazar chokes up, he can't break the last linger of hope the old man has.
When the Archdemon comes, Hazar doesn't even have to think who is gonna make the final blow.
Then when he came back to the Tower, it was overrun by blood mages and abominations. This strenghtens Hazar's resolve. If only the Elder mages had been more knowledgable about blood magic this would not have happened. It is then he finds the stash of blood magic books in the First Enchanter's study. He is thrilled at the opportunity this gives him. After the Circle is quiet again, Hazar uses his evenings at camp to study the books learning much. Yet he always feels he's not quite getting it. He starts to think about learning some harmless blood magic. Hazar feels that if anyone could responsibly learn about these powers it has to be him. After all, the only misjudgement he did make was because he did not know blood magic well enough.
After not gaining any new knowledge for days Hazar arrives at the Castle. Without thinking he volunteers to kill the demon. And then the demon proposes the one thing he feels he needs to save everyone: the knowledge of blood magic. But, should he really sacrifice a young mage for this purpose? Hazar is confident though, this arrangement can be bend to his advantage. He will find a way around it. He will train Connor so when the demon comes back, Connor will be ready. Hazar receives the knowledge he craves. He leaves Connor behind in the castle, hoping to be able to transfer him to the Tower soon. Then he can start the training.
Unfortunaly, little did Hazar know that a Grey Warden only has a short life ahead of him. When Alistair tells him about the shorten lifespan my mage explodes in anger. Alistair thinks that it must mean that even my mage fears death. But Hazar simply knows: there is not enough time to train Connor. The boy is doomed.
A few times Hazar returns to the Tower. He tries to start a conversation with the First Enchanter about the protection Connor might need. Everytime the First Enchanter only praises Hazar as a good example of the Tower and mages as a whole. Hazar chokes up, he can't break the last linger of hope the old man has.
When the Archdemon comes, Hazar doesn't even have to think who is gonna make the final blow.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 11:19
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GW are supposed to have 30 years ahead of them and even if it's closer to twenty like with Duncan, that's still plenty of time to train Connor.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 11:32
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Sarah1281 wrote...
GW are supposed to have 30 years ahead of them and even if it's closer to twenty like with Duncan, that's still plenty of time to train Connor.
Expecting the fact that a Grey Wardens life isn't exactly spend however you like, Hazar would have only gotten short breaks inbetween to tutor Connor. Connor is around 8-10 years old. It would take him atleast another 10 years just to learn enough magic to be considered a normal mage. So the training in advanced techniques can only truly start then. Keep in mind that Connor most likely will suffer weaknesses against this particular demon, it being the demon that originally possesed him. Seeing the age of the more powerfull mages I doubt that being good enough to go against a desire demon is something every mage can learn in the years Hazar still got left to learn him. Just look at how easily demons overpowered the Circle.
What I am trying to get accros in the RP is that I think you can't possible be a blood mage and not suffer from it. If you RP a blood mage I feel this must been seen as a flaw in their character, not a strength.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 11:34
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My second playthrough was a badass evil mage who had sex with everything and was just downright mean, except to his party members and Jowan who he actually valued as a friend. He learned blood magic to make Jowan feel like he wasn't alone and because he thought it would impress Morrigan and be badass. Lol. About the whole killing the templars and mages scene, I think that it was better that it was taken out. I mean how else are you supposed to get that treaty?
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 11:37
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My Surana boy is all about the "any means necessary". He also thinks that forbidding knowledge is stupid, because it makes people more determined to get at it. He gets upset with Jowan not because he's a blood mage, but because he had the information and didn't share with the guy he'd been leaning on for help for years.
