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[The Governator]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Governator wrote...

While I agree that Shepard should be rewarded for services rendered, I do not beleive that he/she should be operating under the assumption.  I don't want a mercenary hero.

You'd rather an idealogue than a pragmatic hero?

Yeah, actually.  I would rather that.  

What I'm pretty sure you mean is 'I'd like an idealogue who agrees with me.'

I'm fairly sure you wouldn't want the xenophobic human-nationalist pro-Cerberus idealogue I'm playing right now.

Well, yeah, I guess you're right.  I would have a tough time classifying someone who is human-centric as merely idealist; I would have to also add in zealot.  But now you are getting into semantics.  

Let me simplify it.  I want a hero who recognizes equality among species and exersizes compassion in the execution of his/her duties. 

[David Knight]

I think Shepard's motive is something different for everybody, because regardless of the decisions you make in the game, the justification is all your own creation. My Shepard, in particular, is saving the galaxy because it is the right thing to do. There are people like that, and my Shepard, from his heritage as a Spacer and the horrors he went through on Akuze, has come to the conclusion that he must do this. I'm sure he doesn't want to die, but he's mainly doing it for everyone else because he feels lost after Akuze and losing more people, the whole galaxy even, is unacceptable to him.
Like I said, though, it is unique for every person.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I expect a few promotions and a very large paycheck!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Not have the council or anyone else "dismiss" whatever crap you've ever done. I think the best reward shepard should get is respect.

[scorptatious]

Not bieng dead is one thing, and probably a happy future with the LI you chose.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Pfft ... punching the turian councilor is a better reward than anything they can offer.

[CommanderAdriel]

To not die, entire galaxy indoctrinated is a pretty big motivator. The most likely reward is a seat on the council.

[LOLandStuff]

Boredom.

[atheelogos]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

I mean if you do come out on top in ME3, and beat Harbinger and his pals your rewared is obviously saveing the Galaxy but it feels like Shepard has earned more.

Even if you play totaly jerk as a Renagade or a Pansy Paragon you still go out of you way sooo much to help people etc, so I ask you what's my motive?


Commander Shepard is deserving of a reward just for his service in the first game alone!  And yet the Council treats him like crap.  When the game is done and through, Shepard needs a reward for his sevices!


A spot on the council would be nice, what do you think?

Saving hundreds of billions, maybe even trillions, of people from extinction doesn't do it for you huh? And let me say that I agree with you on that part about the Council. If they aren't on the floor sucking my *** after I save the galaxy then I will crush them under my boot.

But truth be told I don't think ME3 will be the end of the war. Just the opposite in fact I think that ME3 will only be the begining of our war with the Reapers, so giving Shepard any material rewards that don't help with his fight would be a waste of time IMO.

Modifié par atheelogos, 23 avril 2010 - 12:07 .

[atheelogos]

CommanderAdriel wrote...

To not die, entire galaxy indoctrinated is a pretty big motivator. The most likely reward is a seat on the council.

Humans already have that.

[Tokion]

Captain Cornhole wrote...
Even if you play totaly jerk as a Renagade or a Pansy Paragon you still go out of you way sooo much to help people etc, so I ask you what's my motive?

My Shepard is not a jerk nor a pansy paragon! He is a Paragade who protects the innocents, value friendship while intimidating those pesky scoundrels.

The Jack Bauer style 55% Paragon/45% Renegade playthrough was a blast!

[Commissar Gash]

My Shephard has three reasons to defeat the Reapers:

1. For the lolz

2. Ladies like hero's and after Shephard saves the Galaxy he will be a hero...

3. Say to Harbringer "THIS HURTS YOU!" in the face, hull whathever... and blow him up with some Anti-Reaper BFG that we will propably find in ME3.

[Astranagant]

The whole "not having your entire species wiped out" thing is a pretty good motivator, in my book.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

one simple reason -



I get to live.

[ImperialOperative]

Motive? How about you get to not have all of galactic civilization destroyed (which includes you)?



Basic self-preservation is a pretty strong motive.

[Raphael diSanto]

CTM1 wrote...

Brako Shepard wrote...

The reward for saving the lives of billions of people throughout the galaxy is better than any paycheck.

The path of which Shepard is on, be it paragon or renagade, is a selfless act of being a true hero. Not everyone needs a mansion and to be told how great they are on a daily basis.

Shepard is a based around a character who is doing this mission, simply because it is the right thing to do.

Which is a problem because it leaves everything to the imagination (yes, this is a problem, because he's a protagonist in a game that emphasizes storytelling). Why does Shepard himself/herself believe it's the right thing to do? We as players can say why, but why the character?

Here's the thing: while it's a role-playing game where you decide how Shepard acts and behaves, there should be more options for the player to decide Shepard's thoughts and motivations (options that don't even need to be elaborate and all-encompassing; simply existing would be satisfactory for me at this point). There simply aren't enough of them, especially in the second game.

Flat, static character indeed.

If BioWare gave Shepard any motivation, it would ruin the roleplaying immersiveness. Every shepard is different and their motivations are decided by the player that's playing them, not by BioWare. That's why it's a roleplaying game. You get to decide what your shepard's motives are for saving the galaxy. Maybe they're different from my Shepard's. Maybe they're the same. There's probably some overlap. I have 6 Sheps and they all have different personalities and different reasons for doing the things they do.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "more options for the player to decide Shepard's thoughts and motivations" .. Do you mean more choices on the dialogue wheel to tell the NPCs about Shepard's thoughts and motivations? That's not necessarily the same thing. There are no limitations on what you decide about Shepard's thoughts and motivations, because they're all in your head. And that's where they should stay, because until gaming technology's advanced further than it is today, we'll never have enough options to satisfy everyone.

2 million gamers bought ME2 in the first week of release. Even if each gamer only has 3 sheps each, that's 6 million different shepards, with 6 million different reasons and motivations. I don't think it's possible to code in that many options.

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 23 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[abstractwhiz]

Shepard just strikes me as the kind of person who would save the galaxy just because it needed to be saved. The idea that he could be off doing something else wouldn't even occur to him. 

DigitalFallout wrote...

The Governator wrote...

While I agree that Shepard should be rewarded for services rendered, I do not beleive that he/she should be operating under the assumption.  I don't want a mercenary hero.

Aint most hero's in game's merc's in some way? And whats wrong with merc's?

Jacob doesn't like them, even if they're precise. :innocent:

KOKitten wrote...

My Shepard's motive is pretty simple - he/she knows the truth about the Reapers and since the Council and, to a lesser extent the Alliance, isn't willing to recognize the real threat he/she feels it's up to him/her.

My Shepard will accept funding.  In ME1 Shepard was an Alliance soldier and it's not as if they work for free.  In ME2 my Shepard will accept funding from Cerberus, from wall safes found along the way, and from odd jobs, to make sure the squad has the best upgrades and equipment. 

Hahahaha, I like this euphemistic use of the term 'accept funding'. I now have this picture in my head with Shepard saying "Oh, look, a locked safe in an area that I've just fought my way into, killing dozens of enemies along the way. I will play a bypass minigame to break the lock, and then I will ACCEPT ITS FUNDING". 

And then we have Miranda sending a report to the Illusive Man saying "Wall safe funding acquired: 35000 credits". TIM then decides to send Christmas gifts to all wall safe manufacturers and owners for their unparalleled unanimous generosity to the cause of humanity. 

Modifié par abstractwhiz, 23 avril 2010 - 03:17 .

[Pythonicus]

Shepard has the singular motivation of the vision placed in his mind by the prothean beacons that is further reinforced by the cypher that came from the thorian. He is the only person in this galaxy that has both of these things. He knows that he has the ability and duty to do something about it. The vision and cypher transformed him from an extraordinary soldier into a savior. Savior's are driven to save.

[alphax1]

My Shepard's motivation to defeating the Reapers is because at the end of ME3 he can look them all in the eye and say "Who's the bigger badass?" right before blowing them all up...

[DuffyMJ]

This thread must have been written by an American... "Me, me, me!"

[kreite]

how about not dieing and getting sweet alien tang

[Shelondias]

I'm just doing it for ****s and giggles

[Lord Coake]

What dose Shepard get out of defeating the
Reapers? Whats my motive?

Tali.  Hot tub.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 23 avril 2010 - 08:13 .

[InvaderErl]

Shepard's parents were killed by Reapers.



What's that you say? Spacer Shep's mom is alive. No. Reaper husk.