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[Bluebruiser]

So I play plenty of RPG's and normally to get the full experience I'll play both as an "evil" and "good" player on different playthroughs. That said, I just can't bring myself to play as renegade in the Mass Effect games.

In the KOTOR games, being Sith was all about being evil. The dichotomy between your actions and real actions is so extreme that its a lot easier to dissasociate between the game and real life. It just becomes a fun way to play the game.

IN dragon age, I find it interesting in some cases to choose the "evil" option (with the exception of Branka who I can't stand).

In the Mass Effect games I just can't do it. I think the main reason is that being a renegade is so frequently associated with being a xenophobic rascist in this game. That and I identify much more with Shepard in the Mass Effect games than I do with protagonists in other RPG's. Part of this is because Shepard is a stronger character. He/she is persistant and can't be completely molded to the player's wishes.

Does anyone else feel this way about Mass Effect?

[Pacifien]

I've only managed about half renegade on my attempts. I just don't like being a dick for the sake of being a dick, which a lot of renegade options seem to be. It's a lot easier to go renegade in ME2 versus ME1 because more of the choices become ruthlessly pragmatic instead. Still has those "I'm just a dick" moments, though.

[Alphyn]

"I don't like putting my life in the hands of a turian, sir."



Pretty much sets the tone for Renegade playthroughs.

[eternalnightmare13]

Nope.

[Quaay]

I feel that way too. I had no problem playing as good and evil in Fable 2 or Fallout 3 but it's harder in Mass Effect. Especially ME1, I can't kill the Rachni Queen and terminate an entire species. ME2 was easier to make some renegade choices but I still couldn't turn on Tali. I think I just associate too closely with my Shepard(s)

[The Governator]

I never like playing evil. I just cannot do it.

[Lemonwizard]

I don't think I've ever gotten more than 15 minutes past Eden Prime on a full renegade playthrough until I started making Paragon choices just to not be a racist **** for no clear reason. I've done like 70/30 in favor of Renegade, but going all the way just pisses me off to no end.

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, too many of the choices are either too racist or too raging douche for me to get behind. I have a Renegade run just for the hell of it, but I don't really enjoy it that much. I keep doing other things instead of playing it because I just don't find it fun.

[Dean_the_Young]

Being a Renegade doesn't mean having to choose every Renegade option, or avoiding every Paragon option. It's about greatest good, getting the job done, and most of all getting it done no matter what. Past that, it's role playing.



Take the Rachni choice, for example. My (very Renegade) Shepard chooses to save the queen. Why? Cover your ears if you don't want your monthly allowment of cynicism.



Part of it is because there's the chance she isn't a threat. If so, it's all good: humans look more moral than the aliens, friend down the road, etc. etc.



If she isn't, humanity wins out. We still get to say we did the nice thing, that genocide's bad, but we leave it as a galactic threat for the Turians to deal with. One Rachni queen is never going to post the threat that the Rachni hoarde did, but the more troublesome she is for the Citadel species, the worse it is for the Turians. The Turians are the protectors of Galactic peace: they'll have to deal with her, and if they can't on their own it drives home that they need the Humans to do their job, which raises the importance of humanity.



If they don't, say the Rachni decide to start on humans first, Humanity still comes out ahead in the long run. It's open proof that the Council abandons Citadel species, and a major blow politically against them. More relevantly, it's an undeniable justification for Humanity to have a major military buildup to deal with the problem: the Council could hardly saw boo without dropping all pretenses. At the end of the day, the Alliance is far stronger militarily compared to the Turians, and far more free to throw it's weight around to defend its interests: externally it has the fleets, and internally the pro-Council populace will be diminished after it's demonstrated that the Council won't help when needed, and that humanity does need to be able to stand on its own.



So the results for the freeing the queen are PR win/free friend at best, troubles for the Turians/need for Alliance help boosting Alliance relative to Turians, or a proving of the intention of the Citadel and humanity in a better place to stand on its own.



Notice nowhere in that motivation for a Paragon decision did I weigh in on the morality of genocide.

[Major Truth]

Bluebruiser wrote...

In the Mass Effect games I just can't do it. 

You can if you believe you can

[sonsonthebia07]

Shoptender: "Good day my friends. Welcome to the Citadel."



Shepard: "You know, for a bunch of cheap touristy crap, your prices are pretty high."



I seriously burst out laughing when I heard this. The whole convo was hilarious. It was so blatantly full of douche. Renegade is very fun to play, doing one entire renegade playthrough.

[scxenophobe]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

Shoptender: "Good day my friends. Welcome to the Citadel."

Shepard: "You know, for a bunch of cheap touristy crap, your prices are pretty high."

I seriously burst out laughing when I heard this. The whole convo was hilarious. It was so blatantly full of douche. Renegade is very fun to play, doing one entire renegade playthrough.

That alone is worth it.

[UFOash]

I can't kill the Rachni Queen.
Its just sick how you have to tell her your going to kill her then you have to say again.
Especially if you have Liara with you.

[Dean_the_Young]

When the last Reaper lays before you, I'll be sure to ask it to have a hot avatar and to make puppy dog eyes as it pleads for mercy.

[shinobi602]

I usually do many playthroughs with some being full renegade, and others full paragon.



I mean...it's still just a game after all, people.... >___>

[Texaboose]

The renegade path is infinitely funnier as far as dialogue is concerned, so I'm not having toooo much trouble. The only minor stumbling block I've had is actually being 100% renegade to Jack - since I'm unsure whether she'll go psycho and leave me.

It's also really hard on the conscience being a mean SOB to Tali.

[scorptatious]

I've attempted a Renegade playthrough in ME1 after beating it the first time. But I stopped playing after I saw poor Ashley's reactions to me bieng so mean to her. I guess it's because I romanced her in the first playthrough, I don't know. And I can't imagine bieng that way towards my other squadmates either, especially not towards Garrus, Wrex, and Tali.

[ImperialOperative]

100% renegade, 40% paragon

[Skilled Seeker]

I can easily max out renegade and my character isn't an xenophobe, just an opportunist. Heck I kept all the non criminals from ME1 alive.

[jlb524]

My Renegade is more 'Renegon'. I don't play her as a racist and she hates Cerberus. I received a good bit of Paragon points with her by just expressing a dislike for Cerberus when those options came up. She didn't kill the Rachni queen and saved the Council.



She did enjoy shooting Conrad in the foot though. She's just a biatch that doesn't like to be messed with, but doesn't hate aliens any more than she hates humans.

[inversevideo]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

Shoptender: "Good day my friends. Welcome to the Citadel."

Shepard: "You know, for a bunch of cheap touristy crap, your prices are pretty high."

I seriously burst out laughing when I heard this. The whole convo was hilarious. It was so blatantly full of douche. Renegade is very fun to play, doing one entire renegade playthrough.

Agreed!

I am basically Renegon, in ME2, as it seems to solve most of the loyalty conflicts, easier than being paragon or paragade does. 

Also, I find that many (way to many to be coincidence) renegade choices turn out to be correct and good choices. in ME2, than they were in ME1. And before someone 'flames on' I said many.  Some Renegade options are just plain mean, but along those lines, some paragon options are just stupid. 

I think Shepard needs to be able to take whatever path the situation calls for, whether that be renegade or paragon.

Regarding the whole store haggling thing, I would much rather renegade a discount, than paragon one.

My first game out, I did try to paragon a discount, never again!
I felt dirty, cheap, and a sell out, everytime I walked by that store and heard 'Hi I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citidel!' Geez no! End it, End it now!

Modifié par inversevideo, 20 avril 2010 - 05:05 .