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[jlb524]

inversevideo wrote...

My first game out, I did try to paragon a discount, never again!
I felt dirty, cheap, and a sell out, everytime I walked by that store and heard 'Hi I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citidel!' Geez no! End it, End it now!

I hate that too and will never do this again! 

The Renegade discounts are fun, though

[Pacifien]

I managed to work my way around whoring my Shepardness for the sake of a discount. Helps that my playthroughs usually have the original Council dead, so the big paragon sell at Rodam Expeditions is your ability to kill. Spectre status gets you a discount at Citadel Souvenirs. The Renegade option isn't so bad with Saronis Applications. Can't remember what the renegade option for Sirta was, but I must have used it because, for my Shepard, no store is the best store on the Citadel.

Wait, except for Morlan's famous shop...

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Why do you hate the paragon option?

I cant bring myself to doing the renegade option to the poor shopkeepers.

It sounds corny and my Shepard isn't going to sell herself out like a fool!

[KOKitten]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Why do you hate the paragon option?

I cant bring myself to doing the renegade option to the poor shopkeepers.

Actually the renegade options are not all mean.  You tell Marab at Saronis applications that you're outfitting a large expedition and need a reliable weapons distributor.  He's glad to give you the discount.  You tell the Asari at the medical foundation that she'd sell a lot more merchandise if her prices were lower and that you're planning on buying a LOT of merchandise.  They're not nasty options.

In fact, on Omega, if you tell Harrot, the Elcor, to buy out Kenn's shop, he happily agrees and Kenn then has enough money to purchase his ticket off Omega.

[inversevideo]

Somebody1003 wrote...

inversevideo wrote...


My first game out, I did try to paragon a discount, never again!
I felt dirty, cheap, and a sell out, everytime I walked by that store and heard 'Hi I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citidel!' Geez no! End it, End it now!

So you do the mean renegade one?

You want honesty right?

Yes, I do the renegade option, to get a discount, which is not all that renegade really.

Sometimes it is just haggling, telling someone their stuff is too pricey. Which many times it is. They would not give you a discount, if they did not want your credits, and knew they could still make a profit.
Other times it is telling the merchant the truth
      Shepard:' I do some 'hunting' every now and then'
      Merchant:'what kind of game can a squishy human hunt?'
      Shepard:' oh Geth, mercenary scum, that sort of thing'
      Merchant:'What? I can respect anyone who hunts game like that, I will give you a discount'.
Only once did it feel awkward to take the renegade route, and that was intimidating the merchant by throwing a fit and accusing her of classism.
A couple of times it was dropping your own name. But the merchant can always say you are a customer, as is the case when famous people shop at stores now, no? And it is less tactless than doing an endorsement, which is totally selling out; if you are going to sell out with endoresments, like some sports icon,  why not equip your armor like a formula one racing uniform, at that point, and have endorsement patches for everything from Synthetic Insights to ExoGeni?

[Pacifien]

Somebody1003 wrote...
Im referring to the one where you yell at the crowd and accuse the asari of classism.
(I forget which store that is, I think its the citadel souvenirs shop)

If you're reinstated as a spectre, instead of having to declare her shop the best on the citadel, she'll just give you an employee discount.

'Cause, you know, spectre status has to count for something.

[xI extremist Ix]

It would be better if the plots were different. A Renegade should be an evil character and help the Reapers.

[soren145]

I thought that ME1 almost made it easier to play as a renegade because it was less about being a racist ****** and more about being a badass that likes humanity more, I'm hoping they definitely balance it out for the third game. (I'm not bashing ME2 so don't think I'm trying to flame or troll)

[Bluebruiser]

I would love to play a way that allows you to choose the best option situationally. Unfortunately these games reward you for going full one way...

[Ieldra]

I can easily play up to about 85% Renegade in ME2 without being a jerk or a racist and without torturing anyone. Any higher, and things are going where I don't like them to go, because that usually involves being mean to your crew or an authoritarian **** in loyalty conflicts. So I usually end up with something like 90-100% Paragon and 75-85% Renegade.

[Alraiis]

I think what makes it hard is the big decisions never backfire on Paragons.

Throwing ships away to save the Council doesn't cause Sovereign to win. The Rachni Queen wasn't a maniuplative liar. Sending one of your hand-picked best-in-the-galaxy away from your all-or-nothing suicide mission with all of humanity at stake just so Chakwas and Chambers can make it back to the ship doesn't result in the Collectors winning. Sidonis probably really is a nice guy at heart. Curing the genophage probably won't cause the krogan to dominate the galaxy and all that Geth heretic stuff is probably 100% legit. Oh, and you'll easily beat the Reapers after you throw away the technology in the Collector base.

Renegades are making choices for the kind of cynical universe that doesn't exist in Mass Effect. Why wouldn't you be a Paragon? There's no downside.

Modifié par Alraiis, 20 avril 2010 - 05:50 .

[inversevideo]

I've found quite a few examples where the 'renegade' option seems better than the paragon alternative.



Defending Tali - if you go all renegade, in your responses to the Admiralty board, both the admirals and the Conclave members make comments about your speaking well in Tali's defence, and about being wrong in thinking a human would be too weak to do a good job at defending Tali.



Conrad Verner - renegade the merchant (undercover cop) and Lie to Conrad, telling him it was a dangerous mission, he did a good job, but could have been killed, and he will make the decision to go home, and he will do so with pride, thanking you for letting him help. You will hear later, over the news broadcast that he is starting a charity in your name to help orphans.



Tell the Asari on Illium to leave her Krogan lover. If you don't, and you convince her to marry him instead, you will run into them on the Krogan homeworld, and she will be miserable. It is a radioactive hellhole that even Grunt can't stand, and she comments on how everyone hates her.



Convince the SI rep, on Illium, to purchase the Quarian's contract. Beware, this little quest is a trap, for those of us who were used to being more paragon than renegade!

The paragon option is to convince the SI rep to buy out the Quarian's contract, free her from indentured servitude, and then garnish back her wages. Think about that! You essentially are making the Quarian a true indentured servent, and have stripped her of the strict protections she is afforded under Illium law! The renegade option is to have SI employ her under her Illium service contract, which strictly guarantees that SI cannot take the Quarian offworld, and SI must look after the Quarians needs, which includes suits, medical, a clean room, and food. No ifs ands or buts.



I'm not saying all of the Renegade options are good.

Some are just plain mean.

But not all of the Paragon options are for the best either.



It's almost like BIOWARE impelmented a system that would make you consider whether a response should be Paragon, or Renegade, then later, down the line, decided that it would be better if all of your responses were consistently either paragon or renegade, and punish you, if they were not, by not giving you enough influence to get either option, later in the game, if you were not more one or the other.



So I play Renegon, and you know what? After doing that for a few playthroughs it is hard to see ever going back to full paragon or even paragade.



The only sacrifice, to my conscience, that I have to make, is for Zaeed's mission; as I may use that mission to give my renegade points a boost. I do have a metagame rationalization for it, but I am not always able to buy it.

[ResidentNoob]

I do actually have a full Renegade playthrough, but I just try to ignore the dialogue if it's really awful.

Anyway, if you really can't do a Renegade playthrough, just watch this, and you'll either decide that you want to do one, or decide it's too bad for you, but at least you'll have seen the awesome dialogue.

[Skilled Seeker]

KOKitten wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Why do you hate the paragon option?

I cant bring myself to doing the renegade option to the poor shopkeepers.

Actually the renegade options are not all mean.  You tell Marab at Saronis applications that you're outfitting a large expedition and need a reliable weapons distributor.  He's glad to give you the discount.  You tell the Asari at the medical foundation that she'd sell a lot more merchandise if her prices were lower and that you're planning on buying a LOT of merchandise.  They're not nasty options.

In fact, on Omega, if you tell Harrot, the Elcor, to buy out Kenn's shop, he happily agrees and Kenn then has enough money to purchase his ticket off Omega.

No point explaining the ways of the renegade here. I've noticed most people on these forums think being a renegade means being a selfish xenophobic evil douchbag.

[Skilled Seeker]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

It would be better if the plots were different. A Renegade should be an evil character and help the Reapers.

This is exactly what my above post was referencing to.

[Vicious]

I like Renegade when it comes to solving the loyalty disputes between characters.

Paragon: "OK Maybe if you be nice and you be nice then everyone will be happy."

Renegade: "STFU, we have a mission."


I find Renegade's brusque manner to be highly amusing.

Modifié par Vicious, 20 avril 2010 - 07:55 .