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[MisterDyslexo]

If the Thane romance were about sex, couldn't he have just slipped into solipsism?

He clearly cares about Shepard to get over this whole dead-wife he's been on for years. He says so himself that basically he felt his life ended when he got rid of the last of the men who hurt Irikah, and now that he has met Shepard its given him something to live for. Its an emotional connection. Surprisingly Thane couldn't have been romanced by MaleShep (although there is evidence that suggests otherwise), because the fact that FemShep & Irikah are the same gender and makes a bigger obstacle, although in a way that helps with Thane's character by helping him get over the dead-wife hump.

[kaimanaMM]

Elite Midget wrote...

Thane does love his dead wife more than Shepard. That's a fact. Shepard is the one to initiate a Romance between him not the other way around.

I'm going to stop you right here.

Shepard is the one to initiate a romance with all the ME2 LIs because that is how it was changed from ME1. Everyone complained about the ninja romances in ME1,thus, we got the romance triggers for every single LI in ME2.

And your fact, is not fact.  It is opinion.

[kraidy1117]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Thane does love his dead wife more than Shepard. That's a fact. Shepard is the one to initiate a Romance between him not the other way around.

I'm going to stop you right here.

Shepard is the one to initiate a romance with all the ME2 LIs because that is how it was changed from ME1. Everyone complained about the ninja romances in ME1,thus, we got the romance triggers for every single LI in ME2.

And your fact, is not fact.  It is opinion.

An opinion that is wrong and contradicts what is in game.

[ObserverStatus]

Elite Midget wrote...
In ME2 she lost a lot of her Clingyness, it's been two years, but you can still feel the vibes. Such as when you first meet her in Illium.

Hey, you're right.  When I heard Liara threatening to flay people alive with her mind when I first met her on Illium, her clinginess was the first thing that came to mind. [/sarcasm]

Modifié par bobobo878, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[Aggie Punbot]

If the OP means the best actual scene and not build-up, I'd have to say I quite like Kaidan/Ashley's love scene (since it's exactly the same) and Jack's. Here are my reasons:



Miranda: too exhibitionist

Jacob: seems to be only about sex

Garrus: emotional connection is there but there's no physical consummation

Mordin: outright rejection

Jack: hits the right note between emotions and physical intimacy

Samara: again, outright rejection

Tali: can't get over the apparent age difference. It's cute but not my cup of tea

Thane: clearly very emotional but, as with Garrus, not enough physical consummation

Liara: is actually very similar to Kaidan/Ashley's, but hers adds a little bit of an apparent mental stimulation that is not really appealing to me



Now that I think on it, I think I prefer the ME1 romances because we get to see the after-effects. Shepard gets to actually converse with Ashley/Kaidan/Liara whereas in ME2 it just fades to black and it's immediately back to business.

[VutaatVerd]

Any ME1 love scene is the best.

[MisterDyslexo]

Elite Midget wrote...

In ME2 she lost a lot of her Clingyness, it's been two years, but you can still feel the vibes. Such as when you first meet her in Illium.

I think a lot of that clingyness is gone, imo. When she says that she handed Shepard over to Cerberus, she says that she couldn't get over losing her. To me that showed that she realized the err of her almost obsession. A bit of that clingyness appears in the Captain's Quarters scene if you romanced her, but thats actually pretty reasonable since you are in a relaionship, and thats pretty natural to all of them.

[MisterDyslexo]

TS2Aggie wrote...

If the OP means the best actual scene and not build-up, I'd have to say I quite like Kaidan/Ashley's love scene (since it's exactly the same) and Jack's. Here are my reasons:


Garrus: emotional connection is there but there's no physical consummation

Thane: clearly very emotional but, as with Garrus, not enough physical consummation

I actually think the lack of physicality in those two actually helped with the romance. I mean we all know what happened with Thane's romance, and its mostly an emotional connection. However I liked what they did with Garrus. Who ever said romance had to be about sex? That headbump right there to me is the best part of it, and to me that tender little touch is the most tender thing they physically could've done.

[kraidy1117]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

If the OP means the best actual scene and not build-up, I'd have to say I quite like Kaidan/Ashley's love scene (since it's exactly the same) and Jack's. Here are my reasons:


Garrus: emotional connection is there but there's no physical consummation

Thane: clearly very emotional but, as with Garrus, not enough physical consummation

I actually think the lack of physicality in those two actually helped with the romance. I mean we all know what happened with Thane's romance, and its mostly an emotional connection. However I liked what they did with Garrus. Who ever said romance had to be about sex? That headbump right there to me is the best part of it, and to me that tender little touch is the most tender thing they physically could've done.

And that's why I prefer Liara's scene in lotSB. The dialogm, the feeling, the acting. It was all good, it didn't need boobies, or dry humping.

[Elite Midget]

You missed the part where Liara breaks down and shows her ME1 Side when she notices Shepard and embraces Shepard.

You are dillusional.

Thane loves his Dead wife a hell lot more than Shepard. They were together for YEARS and they had a kid together. Hell, she's brought out a side of him that was beyond just being a tool of death. So in the end Thane NEVER truely gets over his dead wife and looks forward into joining her soon since he has a year left to live. Not to mention upon her death he became depressed and went back to his old ways, to try and get over the loss of his true love, before finding out that he's about to die.

Thus no Romance between Thane and Shepard will EVER come close to what he had with his dead wife.

What? You're so full of yourself that you would kick the grave of a dead woman because you want to be Thane's Number#1 lovebird even though he hasen't even known you for a year?

Hell, Liara even mentions that you're trying to replace a Dead Woman(Good luck with that.), That Thane still loves even after her death, in a Years time. It ain't gonna happen. It's a fling and once Thane is dead Shepard can wallow in grief or move on.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[Xilizhra]

I find the claims to Tali's romance being squicky to be... well, silly. She's 24 (26?), she's already gone through her rite of passage two years ago, and is clearly mature enough to be commanding units of marines and going on dangerous science missions. She's young, but she's solidly adult.

[MisterDyslexo]

Elite Midget wrote...



What?
You're so full of yourself that you would kick the grave of a dead
woman because you want to be Thane's Number#1 lovebird even though he
hasen't even known you for a year?

Hell, Liara even mentions that
you're trying to replace a Dead Woman(Good luck with that.)

Elite Midget, you realized you just insulted every person ever whose had a relationship with a widow/widower, right?

Honestly, I can't take what you say about Thane seriously now, because is seems like some personal experience or real-life situation is affecting this.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Elite Midget]

It seems thay way because Tali is a child compared to Shepard and she acts like a Bubbly Teenager swooning over Macho Shepard. Hell, her Romance boiled down to if they should have sex, despite the dangers, and how nervous she was because it was her 'first time'.



In ME1 Tali was that Geeky but Awesome little Sister. To me it's wrong to take advantage of her admiration for Shepard and get under her helmet. I feel the same way with Garrus as well since he looked up to Shepard in ME1 and Shepard helped to shape who he ended up becoming. Romancing him feels like an abuse of trust and authority.

[Xilizhra]

Small wonder, I suppose, that you enjoy the most boring romances in the games (Jacob's is unintentionally hilarious and Jack's is bad, but at least interestingly so).

I also find it Hard to imagine why You capitalize Words for no Apparent Reason.

To clarify, I think it's rather insulting to Tali to imply that she's not emotionally mature enough to handle this. There are some who'd fit that label (coughJackcough), but Tali's one of the most stable people with you. Yes, she has a crush on you and has had one for some time, but... cradle robbing? Really?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[Elite Midget]

I don't care if thery feel insulted. I'm more insulted that they are so selfish that they WANT Thane to love Shepard more than a Woman who CHANGED Thane and he spent years with!



He hasen't even KNOWN Shepard for a year and will die by Years end.



Saying he loves Shepard more than his Dead Wife is selfish and is simply lieing to yourself.

[Pacifien]

Moderator reminds people to stay chill. Avoid insults.

[MisterDyslexo]

Elite Midget wrote...

It seems thay way because Tali is a child compared to Shepard and she acts like a Bubbly Teenager swooning over Macho Shepard. Hell, her Romance boiled down to if they should have sex, despite the dangers, and how nervous she was because it was her 'first time'.

In ME1 Tali was that Geeky but Awesome little Sister. To me it's wrong to take advantage of her admiration for Shepard and get under her helmet. I feel the same way with Garrus as well since he looked up to Shepard in ME1 and Shepard helped to shape who he ended up becoming. Romancing him feels like an abuse of trust and authority.

I agree with you on Tali but disagree with Garrus. He's a totally changed person from ME1. Remember the comment from Harkin:

"The Terminus really changed you Garrus"
"No. Sidonis just... opened my eyes."

Mostly due to the fact that he led this crusade (which he later says was pointless) on Omega that got 12 good people killed. He feels responsible for their deaths because the whole reason they had this crusade is because of his emotions. He's tried to emotionally cripple himself because he thinks by de-humanizing (?) himself that he won't put anybody else at harm, and that his actions can only hurt himself. Garrus thinks those deaths were because he is "too-human", so to speak. Shepard tries to break him from this line of thinking.

[achwas]

bobobo878 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...
In ME2 she lost a lot of her Clingyness, it's been two years, but you can still feel the vibes. Such as when you first meet her in Illium.

Hey, you're right.  When I heard Liara threatening to flay people alive with her mind when I first met her on Illium, her clinginess was the first thing that came to mind. [/sarcasm]

She probably is "clingy" because she actually cares for what Shepard thinks after returning from the dead, unlike Ashley/Kaidan, who'd rather stereotype Shep as a "Cerberus Sympathizer", traitor and Reaper-Apologist. 
And of course she is not a tough-a** sergeant of the Alliance Armed Forces, but a smart academic..... Yeah them academics, all soft and clingy ! I say, shoot them all, just to be sure !!!
/irony OFF

Looking at all the romance options from ME-1 and ME-2, I got the strange feeling, that Liara is the only one who actually is in it for the long run, caring about Shepard first, and only second about the snogging. If you call that"clinging"............

Modifié par achwas, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[NeitiCora]

Elite Midget wrote...

I don't care if thery feel insulted. I'm more insulted that they are so selfish that they WANT Thane to love Shepard more than a Woman who CHANGED Thane and he spent years with!

He hasen't even KNOWN Shepard for a year and will die by Years end.

Saying he loves Shepard more than his Dead Wife is selfish and is simply lieing to yourself.

I must be dense somehow, because this whole parade seems completely delusional to me. Why Thane needed to love Shepard MORE than Irikah? How are these two loves even related to each other, really, how are they measurable, like Irikah 100 love points, Shepard 70 love points? Why on Earth Thane ever needed to choose or make any sorts of comparisons? Adults, anyone, people with history?

And what does this have to do with best romance scene?

[General User]

For my two-cents I’m going to vote for Liara, as best romance scene and best LI. I didn’t really much care for her in ME1, and Ashley was a soldier under my command, so I honestly didn’t see Ash as a romantic option. Liara had that swooning almost immature quality that, as much as a love the character, I guess a lot of people (myself included) see in Tali in ME2.



But since LotSB I feel Liara has really come into her own, she’s grown as a person. And the “date” scene in the captain’s cabin was extremely well done. Besides the galaxy’s most badass commando with the galaxy’s most powerful information broker, talk about a power couple!

[NeitiCora]

General User wrote...
But since LotSB I feel Liara has really come into her own, she’s grown as a person. And the “date” scene in the captain’s cabin was extremely well done. Besides the galaxy’s most badass commando with the galaxy’s most powerful information broker, talk about a power couple!

I have to agree here. I always had mixed feelings about Liara, but all of a sudden around LotSB I realized I really like her, and the romance scene was very beautifully conducted. Not overboard, but fulfilling enough, so to say. Don't know if it's the best, but definitely one of the best ones in total.

[Bryy_Miller]

zazally wrote...

Your oppinions? Thanks!

Nobody.

BioWare excels at the extremely awkward and incrediby ridiculous lulzy sex scene.

[Elite Midget]

I brought up that he loves his Dead Wife, that he spent years with, more than Shepard. Than Thane lovers said I was wrong and that Thane obviously loves someone who hired him for a suicide mission, hasen't even known him for a year, and that he will end up dead in a year anyway. Let me make it more comical.



Shepard: You love me, huh?

Thane: Yes. For some strange reason I love you more than my Dead Wife whom I spent years with. She who changed my life from that of a souless killing machine, is the mother of my child, and upon her death I entered a depression that lasted untill I found out that I was dieing. Lets also ignore the fact that I don't really 'know' you and that we have only known each other for less than a year. The fact that I'm dieing before years end and will join my wife upon my death should be ignored as well.

Shepard: What was that?

Thane: I'm dieing.

Shepard: Aren't we all?

Thane: /Facepalm

[Lucky Thirteen]

Liara has about another 900 years to go. Do you seriously think she'll never hook up with anyone after Shepard and perhaps finding someone better. Asari in general have no problem moving on and finding others.



Now, the reality is it doesn't matter. This has become a competition between fictional characters that all seem to get along fine with each other in the actual story, with the exception of Jack and Miranda. It's ticking me off to see fans arguing about who is better for Shepard. Go take that kind of argument to the Twilight forums, keep it out of Mass Effect.



Please. I beg you. Thank you.

[kraidy1117]

I love how Elite is ignoring the journal so he can believe in his opinion that is false since it contradicts what is shown in game.