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[Elite Midget]

It doesn't contradict anything. He loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. That's a fact. Shepard can't hope to compete with a dead woman.



Though I believe that we should drop this. I've made my opinion known while you continue to try and nitpick and twist the fact that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard.



Didn't you read my humorous take on the matter? That's what Thane Lovers look like to me when they state that Thane loves Shepard more than his Dead Wife.

[Evelinessa]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

If the OP means the best actual scene and not build-up, I'd have to say I quite like Kaidan/Ashley's love scene (since it's exactly the same) and Jack's. Here are my reasons:


Garrus: emotional connection is there but there's no physical consummation

Thane: clearly very emotional but, as with Garrus, not enough physical consummation

I actually think the lack of physicality in those two actually helped with the romance. I mean we all know what happened with Thane's romance, and its mostly an emotional connection. However I liked what they did with Garrus. Who ever said romance had to be about sex? That headbump right there to me is the best part of it, and to me that tender little touch is the most tender thing they physically could've done.

I definitely agree with you. I haven't seen Thane's yet but I agree with Garrus'.

[Bryy_Miller]

mrsph wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

BioWare excels at the extremely awkward and incrediby ridiculous lulzy sex scene.

This.

Why people love to fight over fictional romances that are always unintentionally hilarous is beyond. Which is why I just pick the actual characters I like and move on.

Oh, I think they are very intentional. It's like how Glee makes fun of its very existence and yet still maintains quality.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:51 .

[Ryzaki]

Though honestly Liara is young like Liara was young in the first game. So it's not that big of a deal.



And I forgot if I posted in this thread so...Kaidan would be my choice.

[kraidy1117]

Elite Midget wrote...

It doesn't contradict anything. He loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. That's a fact. Shepard can't hope to compete with a dead woman.

Though I believe that we should drop this. I've made my opinion known while you continue to try and nitpick and twist the fact that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard.

Didn't you read my humorous take on the matter? That's what Thane Lovers look like to me when they state that Thane loves Shepard more than his Dead Wife.

The Journal proves your wrong, nice try. You can not ignore the journal because it contradicts YOUR opinion. The journal is fact, andt he journal proves Thane has moved on and has fallen for Shepard. Get over it.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Elite Midget]

I asked you to drop it. We already established that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. You can go on a fantasy ride and believe that Thane loves Shepard, even though he has known her for less than a year, over his dead wife if it makes you sleep better at night. I'm going with the facts here.

[MisterDyslexo]

Why are you still arguing that Thane loves his wife more than Shepard? Isn't the fact that he actually loves Shepard enough? Can you even romantically love one person more than another?

Stop claiming you know exactly how Thane feels. I know a family member who, quite frankly, could be in a similar position with Thane. His wife died when she had their child. He said he isn't going to re-marry or try to find love again but isn't it possible that he could find love again anyways? Do you think everybody in my family will start going "Well does he love his dead wife more than his new one blah blah blah?", because I think everybody would just be supportive of his new relation.

And of course, you can't say you know how Thane feels-You aren't him! You can play psychologist all you want, but you can't support any opinion as a "fact"
Edit: I would direct the last part at Kraidy as well, but all Kraidy is trying to argue is that Thane cares about both, and that it isn't about sex, not who Thane loves more (if such a thing is possible)

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[kraidy1117]

I give a Eltie a new name, Elite moron, for refusing to listen to facts that contradict his silly opinions because he does not get Thane and Shepards romance.

[Bryy_Miller]

Elite Midget wrote...

I asked you to drop it. We already established that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. You can go on a fantasy ride and believe that Thane loves Shepard, even though he has known her for less than a year, over his dead wife if it makes you sleep better at night. I'm going with the facts here.

"I asked you to drop it. We have already established my opinion is the only one that can ever be brought up."

Yeah, please, guys. Just stop it. Both of you. Nobody cares.

[kraidy1117]

mashavasilec wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

I asked you to drop it. We already established that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. You can go on a fantasy ride and believe that Thane loves Shepard, even though he has known her for less than a year, over his dead wife if it makes you sleep better at night. I'm going with the facts here.

no i love his Dead Wife more

I love you more.

[NeitiCora]

Elite Midget I still don't understand why you feel that Thane needs to love Shepard more, or why Thane's love for his past wife needs to be compared to Shepard like it is a competition?



The nature of love is not rational, anyone who's ever fallen in love can tell you this. Ten years ago I fell for my today-husband after two hours of knowing him. Was it rational? Heck no, but it wasn't a game of reason and never is. Shepard and Thane having met fairly recently does not stop them from falling in love, but of course it takes more time for the romantic relationship to develop into something more of a romantic companionship. People with fairly stable relationship probably know what I mean.



There seems to be this fundamental thought of "One Love to Rule Them All" that I found peculiar to say the least. When I romanced Thane, and obviously he is my favorite LI, I never felt that he stopped/needed to stop loving his wife, or that it somehow conflicted with him loving Shepard. I would assume these two women of his love would be very different, relationships were two separate things. Irikah woke him and changed him first, but it does not necessarily mean that Shepard's impact on him can't be relatively just as significant.



I admit that the complexity, as well as realism, that Thane having an actual history romance-wise brought to the dynamics of Shep/Thane was a big appeal to me.



Please someone explain to me how these two relationships, ten years apart from each other, are cripplingly conflicting each other, because I just don't get it for the life of me.

[kaimanaMM]

We're twisting your words, Elite Midget?

If you Ask Me, you keep Tossing Insults around in a Vain Attempt to provoke an Argument as well as Keep A Tenuous Grip on what You Believe is Fact.

Which, is Not Fact.

You're free to have Whatever Opinion you have.  You're free to like or dislike Thane and His Romance.  But it seems this Goes Beyond That into something else Entirely.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Elite Midget wrote...

It doesn't contradict anything. He loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard. That's a fact. Shepard can't hope to compete with a dead woman.

Though I believe that we should drop this. I've made my opinion known while you continue to try and nitpick and twist the fact that Thane loves his Dead Wife more than Shepard.

Didn't you read my humorous take on the matter? That's what Thane Lovers look like to me when they state that Thane loves Shepard more than his Dead Wife.

I think people have different ideas on what love is.

The Thane that Irikah loved isn't the same man that Shepard loves. That kind of tramatic experience changes a person, and even if it didn't, it's been ten years. You aren't the same person at 29 as you are at 39.

It's canon that Thane loved Irikah. It's canon that he loves Shepard. Whether or not he loved Irikah 'more' isn't canon, and it isn't the way I look at love, so I'll respect your take on it. But you have to take in all the facts, including the letter Thane wrote. 

All the romance scenes had their merits, except Kelly. We didn't even get a kiss!

mrsph wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oh, I think they are very intentional. It's like how Glee makes fun of its very existence and yet still maintains quality.

Especially Jacob's.

That is why he is my favorite

How did I miss this?

I...I actually don't hate the Jacob romance. I kind of really like it actually. And, judging from the leers, so does FShep

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Elite Midget]

I don't need it, I'm just stateing a Fact. Thane loves his Dead Wife more. It's a fact. The Journal doesn't state that he loves Shepard more. It states that he loves Shepard and will be dieing soon. However, that love will NEVER match that with the love he had for his dead wife. So great was it that he became a broken man after she died and couldn't even cry because of how depressed he was over her death.



Thane can love Shepard, that's fine. Though don't get it twisted and say he loves Shepard more than his wife which isn't true at all.



Now I'm going to ask you again to drop it. I refue to resort to name calling like you constantly have.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Forums lurkers need more romance of their own it seems...



"I like the forums more than I like you honey"

"Ah no, you dont see because I AM REAL, and THAT IS A GAME!"

[Pacifien]

kraidy1117 wrote...
I give a Eltie a new name, Elite moron, for refusing to listen to facts that contradict his silly opinions because he does not get Thane and Shepards romance.

I give kraidy1117 a new status, banned, for refusing to listen to the moderator's warning to avoid insults.

[Xilizhra]

Elite Midget wrote...

I don't need it, I'm just stateing a Fact. Thane loves his Dead Wife more. It's a fact. The Journal doesn't state that he loves Shepard more. It states that he loves Shepard and will be dieing soon. However, that love will NEVER match that with the love he had for his dead wife. So great was it that he became a broken man after she died and couldn't even cry because of how depressed he was over her death.

Thane can love Shepard, that's fine. Though don't get it twisted and say he loves Shepard more than his wife which isn't true at all.

Now I'm going to ask you again to drop it. I refue to resort to name calling like you constantly have.

I think that you invented a position not held by anyone you were arguing against.

[MisterDyslexo]

Elite Midget wrote...

I don't need it, I'm just stateing a Fact. Thane loves his Dead Wife more. It's a fact. The Journal doesn't state that he loves Shepard more. It states that he loves Shepard and will be dieing soon. However, that love will NEVER match that with the love he had for his dead wife. So great was it that he became a broken man after she died and couldn't even cry because of how depressed he was over her death.

Thane can love Shepard, that's fine. Though don't get it twisted and say he loves Shepard more than his wife which isn't true at all.

Let me try and do the math:

Irikah:
Stands in way of bullet, gives his life more meaning than work +50
Has a child
+30
Dies as a result of his work
+15
Hasn't spoken to in years
-5
Has imaginary-memory sex with him
+10

Shepard:
Essesntially gives his life meaning again by going after the collectors
+50
Brings Kolyat back into his life
+30
Is the only person to care about him in years
+15
Has only known for a short time
-5
May have red hair or eyes, which he is colourblind to
-5 (Pending Shepard's appearance)
Gives him suicidal orders twice everyday
-10

So Irikah-100, Shepard-75 (or 80)

That look right?

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[kaimanaMM]

MisterD, you've just single handedly won the internet today.  

I tip my hat to you good sir, you are truly a master at work.  <3

[Elite Midget]

Not really. Shepard pulled him from the darkness but she can never replace his wife. If anything from the outside it could be taken that Shepard is taking pity on Thane because of his depression and that he will die soon. Whether this is true for your Shepard or not is up to the User.

[Pacifien]

A new love in one's life does not replace an old one. They are different loves. One isn't better. One doesn't have more value. To think that love works this way devalues the concept of love.

And to get back to the point of the thread, a person is likely to attribute the best romance to the one who they romanced considering you put a lot of intent into the scene with your own perceptions that you bring into the romance.

Modifié par Pacifien, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:30 .