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[Collider]

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Bueno...

[Jonathan Shepard]

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard is such a lady's man because 14-year-old boys are just discovering their sexuality, and want to fantasize about being a space captain with lots of hot chicks drooling over them. Poor things are in for a rude awakening when they start interacting with actual girls.

Most of 'em. I got lucky, and a bunch of girls I know have had crushes on me... XD Still. This is true. No one liked me much early on... then came high school... of course, possibilities expand, too. They'll find some who shun them (Jack) some who adore them (Tali) and the ones who do it for the fun of it (Miranda). Simple. Bioware uses high school social logic in their games. Why else do you think your crew doesn't want to talk to you half the time? 

[Jonathan Shepard]

Halmiriliath wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

That is what they like to say.

However, since God is often set up as a father figure, I feel it irresponsible and unfair that he should create his children and then abandon them - it would be like my mother saying, "I gave birth to you, now go off into the world and don't expect me to intervene, ever, if something bad happens. Free will means you get no help or protection from me ever."

They always say great power comes with great responsibility, but for some reason God seems to be above that rule. God - who, having the most power, should therefore have the most responsibility.

Indeed, and there is the belief that God is manifest in all that is around us, making the whole thing even more confusing.  I think the freewill thing specifically relates to influencing the way people make decisions. For example, if God stopped a man from shooting someone, the man is robbed of independent thought and effectively becomes a thrall, whereas the guiding hand of a parent doesn't reach into your mind and compel you to obey orders (unless you're related to Jean Grey, I guess...). T'is something that I've not entirely formed an opinion on yet, so it's not necessarily what I believe. 

There's also the whole concept that he DID intervene a lot when the human race was young, if you just look at the Bible and other religious texts... now that we're "Growing up" he's doing it less, just as a parent might. 

[Collider]

Wait...we're talking about God here? Oh boy..

[Onyx Jaguar]

Blame it on Ben Stein/a poster who will remain unamed

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 21 avril 2010 - 12:48 .

[Nightwriter]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Blame it on Ben Stein/a poster who will remain unamed

But - but it was unintentional! If you'd've told me posting a picture of Ben Stein would trigger a religious debate I would've said you were nuts!

I guess there's just no predicting the internet...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well its your fault for bringing Ben Stein into this debate, but for changing it relies on the person who said

Unnamed poster wrote...



Hardly an impressive resume, and he's a crappy actor anyway.

And yes, he is stupid. He's a creationist.

[Collider]

Omg did someone actually use Pascal's Wager in here? That's archaic ****.



It assumes that if God exists, then we will be punished for not believing. It also does not factor in that God may want you to belief in one version of him other another version (Christianity vs. Islam for example). It also assumes that God would reward people for believing, or that God would have an afterlife in the first place.



It also does not factor in how one can lose things from believing and practicing. Time, money, sanity, you name it. In some religions you cannot accept blood transfusions. Some religions have influences people to mandate things like female circumcision because of some skewed view of sex. Bad!

[CShep25]

Halmiriliath wrote...

I agree that we can postulate theories in relative safety and that it all changes when you are suddenly faced with a situation akin to what you describe. For me though, I wouldn't look up to the heavens and ask 'why?' I'd wonder at what process of reasoning, if any, these men went through to decide that they had the right to butcher fellow human beings, particularly those who were innocent of any crime.

^ This.

Obviously when the scale of suffering gets so high as in third world countries, the free will concept gets a little hazy for some people, but I still stick by it; it's the very same logic just on a larger scale. And without pain and suffering, we have nothing to rationalise health and happiness with. Without both sides of the coin, we can't appreciate the finer side.

IMO the whole point of life is simple; just to better it. And if God holds our hand the whole time, keeping us safe and happy (and bored) we're not really getting taught anything. He lets us get burned so we learn life lessons. Life is supposed to be scary and difficult; it makes our successes all the more rewarding because WE persevered; we didn't have some almighty intelligence giving us a push.

I'm not a great Christian so bear with me but I'm sure somewhere in the bible the kingdom of Heaven is supposed to approach once peace reigns and all disease and famine have ended which suggests to me that the point of our existence is to make life that little bit better through positive actions and building our own paradise. Then, once we have cured everything and live happily, we live in the paradise that we've created for ourselves; Heaven on earth. Or its the traditional affair of an afterlife with big pearly gates. I haven't quite made my mind up on that yet. 

Even if you don't believe in an almighty creator, its still not a bad idea to follow. I hate it when so-called fellow Christians (and those of other religions for that matter) decide that everyone else is damned to Hell for their beliefs. The way I see it, you lead a good positive life and you'll be rewarded for it, regardless of what you believe.

[Collider]

it's the very same logic just on a larger scale. And without pain and suffering, we have nothing to rationalise health and happiness with. Without both sides of the coin, we can't appreciate the finer side.

When you put it in context of an omnipotent god, it does not have to be this way. By very definition of omnipotence (able to do anything), God could have had a world with happiness that did not require suffering, with good without needing evil. Instead we've got this festering world where innocents are dying.

[TheLostGenius]

His success with women is super-imposed by the writers of the story. IRL girls would be like, what a weirdo.

[Nightwriter]

I hate it when people try to make out like evil and the suffering of innocents is necessary. I feel like they're not familiar with the suffering of innocents, then.

[Annihilator27]

TheLostGenius wrote...

His success with women is super-imposed by the writers of the story. IRL girls would be like, what a weirdo.

You kidding me? As soon as they see him dance they'll want his body as much as Harbinger.

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

I hate it when people try to make out like evil and the suffering of innocents is necessary. I feel like they're not familiar with the suffering of innocents, then.

It's basically drawn from the dualistic notion (a constant theme in religion) that happiness cannot exist without suffering and good cannot exist without evil. In the context of an omnipotent God as I mentioned before however, that would not need to be.

[Slayer299]

jlb524 wrote...

Male Shep gets all the ladies b/c the BW game developers and programmers have made it so.

What he said.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Oh please, Garrus, Thane, and I will even say Kaiden, have far more attractive voices and have a big female audience gushing over them.



I've heard/seen girls say that default male Shepard isn't really that bad looking(when he's not smiling granted), but I've never, ever heard/seen any attraction to that voice.



I think the real problem is that Mark is inexperienced when it comes to voice acting. I think there are times he does pull off some good stuff, but most of the time he just falls flat. He just needs some couching or pointers from the others or something.

[CShep25]

Collider wrote...

it's the very same logic just on a larger scale. And without pain and suffering, we have nothing to rationalise health and happiness with. Without both sides of the coin, we can't appreciate the finer side.

When you put it in context of an omnipotent god, it does not have to be this way. By very definition of omnipotence (able to do anything), God could have had a world with happiness that did not require suffering, with good without needing evil. Instead we've got this festering world where innocents are dying.

Collider, we've discussed this topic before and we couldn't reach a consensus then so I doubt we can now. Just because a God is omnipotent doesn't mean they can have it both ways. Morals aren't innate. You can't shape a mind from the outset to be purely good natured. It comes with life experience. And besides, my theory on the reason for life offers a reason why we're imperfect. So that we can better it and ourselves without help from a God.

Collider wrote...

It's basically drawn from the dualistic notion (a constant theme in religion) that happiness cannot exist without suffering and good cannot exist without evil. In the context of an omnipotent God as I mentioned before however, that would not need to be.

Many theorists would disagree with you there. Edward Said's Orientalism concept purports the need for an 'other' to form an identity to act in opposition to. Without evil, what is good? Without pain, what is pleasure? The finer things in life are all well and good, but when you haven't got anything to compare them to and you're living pertually in a cushioned environment... well for me that would get really old really fast. The 'but God is omnipotent' argument doesn't cut it.

Modifié par CShep25, 21 avril 2010 - 01:40 .

[Collider]

Just because a God is omnipotent doesn't mean they can have it both ways.

Does by definition, omnipotene is the ability to do anything. Unless you are arguing that omnipotence cannot exist, I'm not sure why you disagree with me on that subject.



I'll give you that good and evil are subjective and therefore are not the best example, but happiness and suffering are not. Those are real chemical reactions that occur in your brain and nervous system. I will agree with you that ideally, we should try to better this world or at least not take advantage of other people if we can reasonably help it. It's a nice philosophy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I think the real problem is that Mark is inexperienced when it comes to voice acting. I think there are times he does pull off some good stuff, but most of the time he just falls flat. He just needs some couching or pointers from the others or something.

Exactly how much of us actually *dig* Meer's monotonous/stoic delivery?

Imo, it fits a lot better with the "stoic hardass" motif. Sure, it's not perfect, but it works just fine if you assume Shep isn't cool or emo.

[Collider]

I think Meer's voice acting was fine.

[kglaser]

I think Meer is one of the worst voice actors I've ever heard...and I've played scads of adventure games (and hoo boy, is there some bad acting in there). But hey, it takes all kinds of people to make a world.

[Collider]

If you want to hear bad voice acting (and laugh your head off) I may offer you these subjects:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

(I have more too)

[kglaser]

Collider wrote...

If you want to hear bad voice acting (and laugh your head off) I may offer you these subjects:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

(I have more too)

LMAO!!
"Hold me if I'm dying...and vice-versa, OK?"
OK you made your point, although I could swear I heard a guy in more than one of those who sounded like Mark Meer...LOL

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Collider wrote...

If you want to hear bad voice acting (and laugh your head off) I may offer you these subjects:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

(I have more too)

MOAR

I'm not even at the 40th entry and I'm already laughing my ass off.

[Onyx Jaguar]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Collider wrote...

If you want to hear bad voice acting (and laugh your head off) I may offer you these subjects:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

(I have more too)

MOAR

I'm not even at the 40th entry and I'm already laughing my ass off.

Was that Steve Blum in the Shenmue 2 one?