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[Makkufish]

I mean, seriously.

Apparently, you recruit Liara because she might have information about Benezia, and she might know something about the Protheans, or at least that's what I remember. She knows nothing useful about the protheans, and apparently she didn't know anything useful about Benezia either because everything went fine and dandy when I just brought Wrex and Garrus to that mission.

Besides that, all she does is EMBRACE ETERNITY Shepard's visions, which doesn't help at all.

As a character, she's just boring. There's just nothing interesting about her at all, 50% of the time she's just a source of random Asari trivia and information dumps.

To be fair, Tali does the same things, and she's not particularly interesting in the first game either. But at least, she presented key evidence of Saren being evil, and the Quarians are actually interesting.

But Liara, she's just worthless. Apparently Bioware really wants her to be canon LI with my Shepard considering how much she pops up in the first game and goes "Shepard are you all right do you need some more eternity embracing?", but there's nothing interesting about her at all that would even make me consider romancing her.

If the first game really needed a magical adept Asari squad member, why couldn't Shepard recruit Shiala, that green/purple Asari from Feros? She actually did something useful, making Shepard able to make sense of the vision, and since she'd worked with Saren previously she could've provided useful information about his base, his forces, just something that would actually HELP.

Talking about the ME2 things would just triple the size of this post, so I won't say anything other than that her salvaging Shepard's corpse makes no sense if you didn't romance her. (But I thought Shepard dying was a stupid idea anyway.)

I realize this is just a useless rant and it won't change anything at all, but I really, really don't see the point of this character.

[The Grey Ranger]

Liara is the one who tells you the conduit is on Ilos. Also the mind meld thing helps Shepard straighten out the info from the damaged Eden Prime becon.  The rest of your post is a matter of opinion, I happen to disagree with.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 21 avril 2010 - 04:27 .

[Makkufish]

Liara is the one who tells you the conduit is on Ilos.

She... Does? It's been about half a year since I last replayed the game and I don't remember that at all, the wiki doesn't say anything either.

[The Grey Ranger]

Yep, it's after you get the information from Benezia about the Mu relay and the second beacon on Virmire. She does a second meld with Shepard, the line is something like "Ilos, its on Ilos"

[Blackbaron15]

Captain kirking!

[Makkufish]

Yep, it's after you get the
information from Benezia about the Mu relay and the second beacon on
Virmire. She does a second meld with Shepard, the line is something
like "Ilos, its on Ilos"

I see, I guess I was mistaken, but that's not a very big improvement.

Granted, the team in the first game didn't really come with useful stuff except once or twice per person, (and then there's Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex who were just there for the asskicking) but the others were also recruited with firepower in mind, while Liara was recruited for the purpose of giving information.

Modifié par Makkufish, 21 avril 2010 - 04:45 .

[The Grey Ranger]

Here's a youtube with the scene.



Starting around 3 min in.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 21 avril 2010 - 04:49 .

[spacehamsterZH]

Well... if you only think of the conversations you have with her as the Protheans as fluff in between missions, I guess she seems pointless, but finding out about all this stuff is kind of what the whole point of ME1 was if you ask me, and Liara's vital to that. You could say it's a ham-handed plot device to just insert a character who happens to know all this so that it can be told to the main character (and I'd agree with you - if there's one crime ME1 commits over and over, it's too much "tell" and not enough "show"), but that still doesn't change the fact that she's vital to the players' and Shepard's understanding of the ME universe's history.

[The Governator]

She's a plot device for Ilos. Before and after learning about Ilos Shepard and team do just fine without her. That's how I play ME1 now. I pick her up dead last (after Vermire), minimize my contact with her to that one scene where she remembers Ilos, then I am done with her.

Modifié par The Governator, 21 avril 2010 - 06:00 .

[Pacifien]

A friend of mine who was recently playing ME1 for the first time asked me what purpose Liara served. He was truly puzzled. I kept responding "Well, where are you going to go once you go through the Mu Relay?" He replied Ilos, which led me to ask how he's supposed to know that. I think he understood at that point, but he still looked puzzled. I think because he thought that one piece of information didn't warrant a Prothean archeologist to join his squad of fighters.

I don't really have anything against Liara, but I do manage my fights just as well without her. I'm always tempted to get her last because I'm that amused by watching the last of her sanity slip away when I do eventually rescue her.

[sonsonthebia07]

The point? To be my maleShep's LI, ofc. Also she was the closest connection to Benezia that Anderson and Udina had intel on during the beginning of the game if I remember correctly, after Tali provides her evidence on Saren going rogue in which Benezia is heard speaking with him. I don't really see her being any less useful than other members. she simply uses biotics rather than pure firepower in battle.

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Uhh she sexes you up with her mind. What other reason do you need to bring her along?

[JLBoyyy]

what everybody else said pretty much



and it was also to give you an asari in the game



shaila would have been awesome though

[blackashes411]

JLBoyyy wrote...

what everybody else said pretty much

and it was also to give you an asari in the game

shaila would have been awesome though

The purple asari from Feros? Yeah, she seemed a LOT cooler then Liara IMO, and it seemed she had a great potential for both a side story and a LI.

Why? Well we saved her from the mind controlling plant (a lot cooler then a mine), she can analyze our visions (like Liara), and she's purple (unlike Liara) and you rarely see asari of that color. Add these details and combine them with a background story that she is the daughter of Benezia and you have a very good character and LI on par with Ashley. Overall, her personality really appealed to me.

But whatever, the past has passed.

Modifié par blackashes411, 22 avril 2010 - 04:48 .

[ObserverStatus]

She's good for 3 things

Biotics
Prothean Trivia
Brain Sex

This whole thread reminds me of that one jonlajoie video.

Modifié par bobobo878, 22 avril 2010 - 04:55 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Wait, Ilos wasn't important? Since when?

[ObserverStatus]

Well, if they didn't know where Ilos was they would have stayed on the citadel until Saren shows up and everything would turn out fine.

[Pacifien]

blackashes411 wrote...
Why? Well we saved her from the mind controlling plant (a lot cooler then a mine), she can analyze our visions (like Liara), and she's purple (unlike Liara) and you rarely see asari of that color.

I think you'll find that Shiala is green.

[ObserverStatus]

Pacifien wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...
Why? Well we saved her from the mind controlling plant (a lot cooler then a mine), she can analyze our visions (like Liara), and she's purple (unlike Liara) and you rarely see asari of that color.

I think you'll find that Shiala is green.

Even better. Captain Kirk would be proud.

[Collider]

Liara was needed for the plot. Like others have said he knew the location of Ilos. If Shepard and crew didn't go to Ilos, say bye bye galaxy.

[Wildecker]

bobobo878 wrote...

Well, if they didn't know where Ilos was they would have stayed on the citadel until Saren shows up and everything would turn out fine.

I'd hate to throw a big spoiler your way. But no: if you don't go to Ilos and pick up something, the galaxy is screwed because even if you gun down Saren you can't undo what he has already done when you arrive. Period.

And to go to Ilos, you need Liara T'soni to make sense of the pieces of information the Prothean beacons threw your way. That's a job not even the other Asari on Feros can do for you as she knows nothing about Protheans and therefore won't be able to say where you need to go. "Somewhere beyond the Mu Relay" doesn't help at all.


"We'll just stay on the Citadel and wait for Saren with a battlefleet ready to blast him" is the Council's strategy. And as you may see it's a near-epic fail.

[Magical Master]

I think bobobo878's point was that if they were on the Citadel, they would have stopped Saren *before* he started the whole reprogramming bit, hence no need for Vigil's data.



If they had known the Conduit was just a back-door, going to Ilos wouldn't have been needed.

[Collider]

Did they even know that Saren wanted to attack the citadel pre-Ilos? I don't think they did.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I totally knew it and I was pissed I couldn't do anything about it.



Just because the same thing happens in KOTOR2. Gotta run back to the Citadel to stop the bad guy from killing everyone.

[Wildecker]

Magical Master wrote...

I think bobobo878's point was that if they were on the Citadel, they would have stopped Saren *before* he started the whole reprogramming bit, hence no need for Vigil's data.

If they had known the Conduit was just a back-door, going to Ilos wouldn't have been needed.

Unfortunately, a) they didn't know anything about the conduit other than the name and Saren showed up with an army that did not need to "run the gauntlet" of Citadel cruisers to land its troops. That's like starting your coup with an army right on the stairs to the Oval Office ...