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[Pacifien]

Magical Master wrote...
If they had known the Conduit was just a back-door, going to Ilos wouldn't have been needed.

Like Wildecker said, Shepard didn't know what the Conduit was even though he knew it was on Ilos. He couldn't have known Saren had a backdoor into the Citadel.

Which makes me wonder how Saren knew what the Conduit was. How would Sovereign know? Even though Shepard followed Saren's trail, he didn't seem to get as many pieces to the puzzle as Saren did.

[Mossa_missa]

Sovereign culd have planed this for hundreds of years, collecting information on why the Citadel is not responding. If im not totaly wrong its trough Liara we first get the idee of that many galactic civiliasations have wanished and the Protheans was not the first. This is later confirmed by Sovereign if I remember correctly. Liara is actuly a source of information, as they hoped she wuld be.

[Kid_SixXx]

In ME you are chasing down something that has to do with the Protheans and Liara is the foremost subject matter expert in the known galaxy.

There is also that little wrinkle about Liara's mom helping the most wanted fugitive in known space find a way to destroy nearly  all life in the galaxy.

Seriously, I fail to understand why her basic role in the plot is all that hard to fathom.

On the metagame / nerd appeal level, yeah, it's the alien sex.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 23 avril 2010 - 02:34 .

[The Governator]

blackashes411 wrote...

JLBoyyy wrote...

what everybody else said pretty much

and it was also to give you an asari in the game

shaila would have been awesome though

The purple asari from Feros? Yeah, she seemed a LOT cooler then Liara IMO, and it seemed she had a great potential for both a side story and a LI.

Why? Well we saved her from the mind controlling plant (a lot cooler then a mine), she can analyze our visions (like Liara), and she's purple (unlike Liara) and you rarely see asari of that color. Add these details and combine them with a background story that she is the daughter of Benezia and you have a very good character and LI on par with Ashley. Overall, her personality really appealed to me.

But whatever, the past has passed.

Best answer.  I like Shiala.  She's the only asari I DO like.  She has expressive eyes, a degree of confidence, obvious intelligence and a lucid understanding of herself and her place in the galaxy.  I just like her.  I would like to see more of her.

[Arbiter156]

WHATS THE POINT OF LIARA?!!!!!1111 *GLARES ACURSINGLY*

[Arbiter156]

liara was hands down my fav character cause she was all innocent and sweet in the first game and then twisted and hurt in the 2nd game which is powerful on an emotional level, missing her loads in ME2 loved the part where my shep cracks his knuckles whilst looking at her picture.

[Lucky Thirteen]

You can play ME1, entirely without Garrus. It changes nothing in the story. Now that's a pointless character.

Liara, despite my not liking her that much, at least has the mind melding thing to tell you about Ilos. However, it is pointless since you should just stay at the Citadel and wait for Saren to come, not waste fuel following him JUST TO HEAR SOME OLD BABBLING VI!

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 22 avril 2010 - 04:49 .

[Tirigon]

Makkufish wrote...

Liara is the one who tells you the conduit is on Ilos.

She... Does? It's been about half a year since I last replayed the game and I don't remember that at all, the wiki doesn't say anything either.

Yes she does.

Besides, Liara is probably the hottest girl in a videogame EVER. That´s more reason for her being in the game than for most of the other people you have.

[Tirigon]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

You can play ME1, entirely without Garrus. It changes nothing in the story. Now that's a pointless character.

Liara, despite my not liking her that much, at least has the mind melding thing to tell you about Ilos. However, it is pointless since you should just stay at the Citadel and wait for Saren to come, not waste fuel following him JUST TO HEAR SOME OLD BABBLING VI!

Before the BABBLING VI tells you you don´t know that he will attack the citadel..... did you actually play the game or how come you don´t know that?

[smecky-kitteh]

Whats thepoint of liara? to have someone go darth biotic goddess in mass effect 3.



especialy sense i cheated on her. shell really be angry =(

[Pacifien]

I still have a hard time believing Liara knew the location of Ilos, just not the relay to get there. It's like saying you know the way to the Holy Grail, if you only you knew where to start.



Wait, I think that was a movie.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Tirigon wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

You can play ME1, entirely without Garrus. It changes nothing in the story. Now that's a pointless character.

Liara, despite my not liking her that much, at least has the mind melding thing to tell you about Ilos. However, it is pointless since you should just stay at the Citadel and wait for Saren to come, not waste fuel following him JUST TO HEAR SOME OLD BABBLING VI!

Before the BABBLING VI tells you you don´t know that he will attack the citadel..... did you actually play the game or how come you don´t know that?

Yeah I played the game, and I knew from the begining that Saren would do that because that is what happens in another game called KOTOR2, the bad guys come back to the floating satilite city called the Citadel to cause havoc. It even has the dramatic entrance of allied ships that help out.

Yeah in the game they don't know, but really it is a useless plot to be trapped on the Citadel, escape, then chase Saren to Ilos, just to come back to the Citadel. There are only two things I can think of that Bioware wanted to do, have that old VI babble and have the dramatic entrance of the Normandy and the Alliance flying in to save the day. The backdoor idea is cool, but if they were capable of staying on the Citadel, it's pointless. Saren could very well use that backdoor, surprise everyone, and they go about saving the day at that point. No need to go to Ilos.

[tonnactus]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
 The backdoor idea is cool, but if they were capable of staying on the Citadel,

...Shepardt himself would be killed in the suprise attack.Or sarens troups would hold him long enough to overwrite the citadel control.

[Lucky Thirteen]

That makes no sense at all. What makes the difference of being in the middle of the Citadel when the attack happens and popping into the middle of the Citadel, when the attack happens.



Nothing!

[Tirigon]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Yeah I played the game, and I knew from the begining that Saren would do that because that is what happens in another game called KOTOR2, the bad guys come back to the floating satilite city called the Citadel to cause havoc. It even has the dramatic entrance of allied ships that help out.

Yeah in the game they don't know, but really it is a useless plot to be trapped on the Citadel, escape, then chase Saren to Ilos, just to come back to the Citadel. There are only two things I can think of that Bioware wanted to do, have that old VI babble and have the dramatic entrance of the Normandy and the Alliance flying in to save the day. The backdoor idea is cool, but if they were capable of staying on the Citadel, it's pointless. Saren could very well use that backdoor, surprise everyone, and they go about saving the day at that point. No need to go to Ilos.

So you´re saying the game should require knowledge of Kotor2 and metagaming to understand and beat it?!

[Pacifien]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

That makes no sense at all. What makes the difference of being in the middle of the Citadel when the attack happens and popping into the middle of the Citadel, when the attack happens.

Nothing!

Knowing it's going to happen? For all anyone knew, the attack was going to happen by an invasion of ships. They did not prepare for the invasion to drop right in the middle of the Presidium.

Shepard never did figure out what the Conduit was until he reached Ilos. For all he knew, it was a mass accelerator weapon the Protheans created, Saren retrieved, then proceeded to use it to blow the Citadel up. But once Shepard speaks to Vigil, he learns it's simply a backdoor into the Citadel.

By the time Shepard and his team go through the Conduit themselves, Saren's considerable invasion force has dispersed from the initial landing zone such that Shepard only had to deal with the few left behind to guard the area. Had Shepard just happened to be sitting on a bench next to the Prothean "monument" when Saren poured through with hundreds of Geth and Krogan, the fight might have been a little more difficult.

Then if Saren managed to make it to Citadel Control, Shepard would be left without the means to stop Sovereign's hack into the station's systems because that is the key Vigil gives him.

I mean, if you're going to get particular about how the story takes you from the Citadel, to half a dozen planets, back to the Citadel, to Ilos, only to be back at the Citadel again... then you're talking about changing a lot of the story.

Modifié par Pacifien, 22 avril 2010 - 06:43 .

[Pigbin]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

That makes no sense at all. What makes the difference of being in the middle of the Citadel when the attack happens and popping into the middle of the Citadel, when the attack happens.

Nothing!

You mean what's the point of standing front of the mass assault when it happens or attacking it from the rear?

[Magical Master]

Pacifien wrote...

Like Wildecker said, Shepard didn't know what the Conduit was even though he knew it was on Ilos. He couldn't have known Saren had a backdoor into the Citadel.

Hence the "if they had known" part.  Without knowing, they needed to go.

[tonnactus]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

That makes no sense at all. What makes the difference of being in the middle of the Citadel when the attack happens and popping into the middle of the Citadel, when the attack happens.

It this a serious question?When shepardt arrived,the citadel security,even they loose,thin out the enemies there and shepardt isnt the victim of the suprise attack,could use better position to stop the enemies.

[InvaderErl]

Collider wrote...

Did they even know that Saren wanted to attack the citadel pre-Ilos? I don't think they did.

That''s actually a plot hole in the first game as far as I know.

The Councilors all of a sudden say, "If Saren intens to to attack the citadel as you believe," and I was like Wait when did I ever come to that conclusion?

[Magical Master]

I think Udina was the cause of that.

[Frostflames]

In terms of storyline, we needed to go to Ilos to learn more about the Reapers from Vigil

[gotrekfirebeard]

Liara has no use, she does the same thing as Kaidan , tali and yourself if you are a bitoic. So I jsut pick Tali who is actually useful against Geths and can use a shotgun.

The blue librarian could have just been an extra crew that we could have consulted for trivia like the AI in ME2 or Pessly or Joker.



Buton the other hand I don't see the poitn of having SO many characters in ME2 when really you almost always use the same three that you rotate.

It's jsut a gimmick , take away the characters missions and the game has the same story it creates no plot hole almost whereas in ME1 the character missions were done in the beginning and fitted perfectly in the story.