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[jon0945]

Tazzmission wrote...

jon0945 wrote...

Why is it that peoples train of thought always goes nudity = porn = meeting your friend Hand Solo

Do art musems have a problem with people masturbating to the paintings? There's quite a few paintings from the 16th century and onwards that show ALOT more skin than ME1 ever did.

the images of nude people in the bible has shown more thn me1.... and yet people dont shoot a nut off by going hey guess what everyone the bible shows t and a

Didn't know they printed an illustrated edition.

[cruc1al]

JerryF wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

My sarcasm detector isn't picking up
anything. He might just really think that nudity doesn't sell well
because of all those traditional religious young people who get
offended.

I am certain nudity sells well enough.
Be that as it may, I was under the assumption that people purchased
games for the purpose of enjoying the gaming elements. Nudity would add
little and less to ME for me, so I have the least bit of trouble
understanding why someone would buy a game based solely on that
stipulation. I do, however, understand how nudity might prevent someone
from making the purchase, hence my original post. Silly me, not understanding how nuidty sells a game.

The reason why nudity sells well, regardless of what the product itself is, is that people don't usually make rational decisions. Yes, you can say that games are made for being enjoyed as games. That doesn't mean nudity couldn't still make people, especially male teenagers, more likely to buy one game over another regardless of the gameplay itself. It's a marketing thing... you really only know whether or not you like the gameplay after you've played the game, which usually means you have to buy it,  but any publicity that indicates the game has partial nudity might still make you more likely to buy it.

That said though, Mass Effect gameplay is for a large part about characters, their relationships, and the storyline. A romance scene among adults usually involves nudity, and as many have argued, to show at least partial nudity in a romance cutscene would make for better gameplay.

Modifié par cruc1al, 22 avril 2010 - 11:48 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

jon0945 wrote...

Why is it that peoples train of thought always goes nudity = porn = meeting your friend Hand Solo

Do art musems have a problem with people masturbating to the paintings?

No, I'm told they encourage it.

There's quite a few paintings from the 16th century and onwards that show ALOT more skin than ME1 ever did. And creating great videogames is a much an art form as applying paint to canvas ever was.

So wrong it deserves it's own thread.

[Ryzaki]

I think for the most part video games don't get treated like art because people try to hide the whole "its just a game!" when it comes time for criticism. As long as they hide behind that shield they will not be taken as seriously as other forms of art.

[jon0945]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

jon0945 wrote...



There's quite a few paintings from the 16th century and onwards that show ALOT more skin than ME1 ever did. And creating great videogames is a much an art form as applying paint to canvas ever was.

So wrong it deserves it's own thread.

Would love it if you can elaborate on that.

[Ziggy]

Nudity and sex does not automatically mean porn.

There are heaps of great books, tv shows and movies that include both without being porn and unless you never read, or watch anything but porn I don't really see how that can escape your notice.

Heavy rain is a good example of sex and nudity in a game that worked and it worked because heavy rain is a mature 'real' feeling game so it didn't seem out of place.

ME on the other hand, is really juvenile in that respect with the female characters wearing ridiculously tight fitting and revealing clothes, that no self respecting women would wear in real life, which the camera angles shamelessly exploit and nauseatingly cheesy romance dialogues (see 'teh priiize'). In this context, nudity would only cheapen the game further.

Modifié par Em23, 23 avril 2010 - 12:00 .

[cruc1al]

Most videos games are more about simple entertainment, not art. There are some exceptions and some that blur the "line" between art and entertainment. But still, the majority of games shouldn't be classified as art, much like most of TV shouldn't.

[AntiChri5]

Lets not slip too far off topic guys, there is already a thread going about whether video games are art.

http://social.biowar...3/index/2380068

Modifié par AntiChri5, 22 avril 2010 - 11:59 .

[cruc1al]

slimgrin wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Most videos games are more about simple entertainment, not art. There are some exceptions and some that blur the "line" between art and entertainment. But still, the majority of games shouldn't be classified as art, much like most of TV shouldn't.

I tentatively agree. But that assumption is a very slippery slope.

For a large part I'd say the definition of a particular game as art or entertainment relies on the author's intention. If the intention is to entertain, it's entertainment. If the intention is to express, it's art.

[jon0945]

cruc1al wrote...

Most videos games are more about simple entertainment, not art. There are some exceptions and some that blur the "line" between art and entertainment. But still, the majority of games shouldn't be classified as art, much like most of TV shouldn't.

And entertainment can't be art? Let's see.

A good book tells you a story, entertains you and many books are considered works of art
A good movie tells you a story, entertains you and many movies are considered works of art

Why is a good video game that tells you a story, entertains you not considered art?

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lets not slip too far off topic guys,
there is already a thread going about whether video games are art.

http://social.biowar...3/index/2380068

Alright, let's try to steer the conversation back on track

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 12:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Em23 wrote...

Nudity and sex does not automatically mean porn.
There are heaps of great books, tv shows and movies that include both without being porn and unless you never read, or watch anything but porn I don't really see how that can escape your notice.
Heavy rain is a good example of sex and nudity in a game that worked and it worked because heavy rain is a mature 'real' feeling game so it didn't seem out of place.
ME on the other hand, is really juvenile in that respect with the female characters wearing ridiculously tight fitting and revealing clothes, that no self respecting women would wear in real life, which the camera angles shamelessly exploit and nauseatingly cheesy romance dialogues (see 'teh priiize'). In this context, nudity would only cheapen the game further.

Hm...now that I look at it like that. The nudity which was tasteful and mature in ME1 might not work so much with ME2. Bah.

[cruc1al]

jon0945 wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Most videos games are more about simple entertainment, not art. There are some exceptions and some that blur the "line" between art and entertainment. But still, the majority of games shouldn't be classified as art, much like most of TV shouldn't.

And entertainment can't be art? Let's see.

A good book tells you a story, entertains you and many books are considered works of art
A good movie tells you a story, entertains you and many movies are considered works of art

Why is a good video game that tells you a story, entertains you not considered art?

I said blur the "line" because I don't think there is a real line between them, but rather both are ends of a spectrum. That means I think anything between those ends are to be considered both art and entertainment, so your criticism is invalid. But if one must define a game as either one of the other, most games would be just entertainement.

Modifié par cruc1al, 23 avril 2010 - 12:03 .

[RyrineaNara]

Face palms hard, so let me get this straight just because a game equals entertainment it doesn't make it art that just doesn't make any sense to me... People design these places, characters, mold them in the 3'd max 9 software. I can say with out a doubt it is art, but with out going off topic I'd say the me1 Nudity is done perfectly in my own opinion.

[jon0945]

cruc1al wrote...

jon0945 wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Most videos games are more about simple entertainment, not art. There are some exceptions and some that blur the "line" between art and entertainment. But still, the majority of games shouldn't be classified as art, much like most of TV shouldn't.

And entertainment can't be art? Let's see.

A good book tells you a story, entertains you and many books are considered works of art
A good movie tells you a story, entertains you and many movies are considered works of art

Why is a good video game that tells you a story, entertains you not considered art?

I said blur the "line" because I don't think there is a real line between them, but rather both are ends of a spectrum. That means I think anything between those ends are to be considered both art and entertainment, so your criticism is invalid. But if one must define a game as either one of the other, most games would be just entertainement.

Noted, but in the interest of not going to far off topic. Are you okay with abandoning the discussion? I'd rather not see the thread Volused

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 12:07 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Ryzaki wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Nudity and sex does not automatically mean porn.
There are heaps of great books, tv shows and movies that include both without being porn and unless you never read, or watch anything but porn I don't really see how that can escape your notice.
Heavy rain is a good example of sex and nudity in a game that worked and it worked because heavy rain is a mature 'real' feeling game so it didn't seem out of place.
ME on the other hand, is really juvenile in that respect with the female characters wearing ridiculously tight fitting and revealing clothes, that no self respecting women would wear in real life, which the camera angles shamelessly exploit and nauseatingly cheesy romance dialogues (see 'teh priiize'). In this context, nudity would only cheapen the game further.

Hm...now that I look at it like that. The nudity which was tasteful and mature in ME1 might not work so much with ME2. Bah.

Yeah, that is a pretty good point.  I would ordinarily say I'm okay with some nudity as long as it's not full-out porn (M rated games should be treated like R rated movies, in my opinion) as long as it's tasteful.  But with everything I've heard about the Jacob and Miranda romances, tossing nudity into that mix would just be distasteful.  Also despite being a fan of the alien romances, I have to say I'm not that eager to see naked Garrus...

[Tirigon]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

If you want to masterbate, download pornography. I'd prefer to play a video game. All I need is a good story and fun game play.

Others might want both.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Television and video games are simply a medium. Art can be created using any medium. Most TV is not art, but some is.

I'd like to point out that the ME1 romances were, in my opinion, all around better done. I liked flirting with ash for a while with the heartbeat kicking in. It felt like things were getting real right there.

So although the love scene itself with it's partial nudity was done better, it's really the whole buildup that makes the delivery feel right. My ME1 romances would not have felt very fulfilling if, say, Ash just jumped on Shepard then the camera panned up. I kinda felt I had earned a bit of payoff as much as Shepard did.

The Tali romance in ME2 felt real to me (partly because her story is long since it begins in ME1), and I felt the love scene should have demanded an actually love scene (as a romance, never mind the helmet issue). By contrast, I didn't feel the Miranda romance very much. Bra and straddle was enough for that cheap romance imo.

PS. It always amazes me how many people instantly associate nudity with pornography. I stopped doing that in my late teens.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 23 avril 2010 - 01:00 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

More sideboob, like in ME1.

[Axeface]

This has been discussed many times. I agree.

Nudity is something that draws an emotional response very well, because it shows you that your characters relationships have developed in terms of trust.

It can be achieved in different ways but nudity is the easiest/best.



Plus boobs are nice.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Axeface wrote...

This has been discussed many times. I agree.
Nudity is something that draws an emotional response very well, because it shows you that your characters relationships have developed in terms of trust.
It can be achieved in different ways but nudity is the easiest/best.

I like how you combined easiest and best. Surprisingly appropriate.

Plus boobs are nice.

Yes, yes they are.