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[Tirigon]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

I just don't want this to turn into another obnoxious topic that goes on long after Bioware says it isn't going to happen. Like the Same-Sex Romance Topic.

ME3 NEEDS same-sex romances. Homophobes suck.

[jon0945]

As far as I know it was only one conservative stick-in-the-mud US news network that made a fuzz. As the events of the Bioware Bazar showed, Bioware has many fans from outside the US, from nation and cultures that don't run screaming from anything related to sex and nudity.

I don't see why the prudes opinions should be the controling one. If they're THAT affraid of bad press, then perhaps release a toned down version for the US and an uncut version for the rest of the world.

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

I just don't want this to turn into another obnoxious topic that goes on long after Bioware says it isn't going to happen. Like the Same-Sex Romance Topic.

Well, I haven't followed the topic. And this really belongs there But I imagine the reason it's still active is because Bioware are being scaredy-cats about that too, and maybe more evidence that the Mass Effect franchise isn't really meant to be aimed at a mature audience anymore.

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 06:29 .

[kreite]

I don't care either way but if fox starts ****ing there is gonna be an old woman in the street sceaming "bloody murder!"

[ToJKa1]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
If you want Nudity in ME3 so bad, just get the PC Version. I guarantee you that a Nude Mod will come out for it eventually in several different styles by several different mods. (Tasteful, dirty, XXX, etc)

Usually that would be true, but ME being a console game ported to PC makes that impossible. Well, perhaps some crappy texmod ones eventually. However Dragon Age is a PC game ported to consoles... Just look at dragon age nexus...

[mybudgee]

I think an interesting angle bioware could take would be if nudity was unlockable at level 60 and then still required a "secret" code... like.... hmmm. Maybe up, up, down, down, left, right, b, a, select....

[jon0945]

mybudgee wrote...

I think an interesting angle bioware could take would be if nudity was unlockable at level 60 and then still required a "secret" code... like.... hmmm. Maybe up, up, down, down, left, right, b, a, select....

Again, unlockable content like that is a Hot Coffee 2 mess waiting to happen, And that was a real ****storm compared to Fox News misinformed ranting. Bear in mind that the scenes unlocked by Hot Coffee was some pretty tacky virtual porn far from ME1

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 06:40 .

[Ryzaki]

Okay...Hot Coffee while tasteless...wasn't actually that bad. >_> The dude was fully dressed and the graphics weren't overly impressive. Seriously. That's what the fit was thrown over? Really?

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

jon0945 wrote...

As far as I know it was only one conservative stick-in-the-mud US news network that made a fuzz. As the events of the Bioware Bazar showed, Bioware has many fans from outside the US, from nation and cultures that don't run screaming from anything related to sex and nudity.

I don't see why the prudes opinions should be the controling one. If they're THAT affraid of bad press, then perhaps release a toned down T rated version for the US and a proper M version for the rest of the world.

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

I just don't want this to turn into another obnoxious topic that goes on long after Bioware says it isn't going to happen. Like the Same-Sex Romance Topic.

Well, I haven't followed the topic. And this really belongs there But I imagine the reason it's still active is because Bioware are being scaredy-cats about that too, and maybe more evidence that the Mass Effect franchise isn't really meant to be rated M anymore.

Prudes are noisier than anyone else, and the US is a big Country. I'd LOL so hard if Bioware did an alternate T Rated Version for the US, but it would screw over all the US/Canadian Citizens like myself who aren't prudes.

All I know is, Bioware already said that while you do make alot of Shepard's decisions, and Shepard is supposed to be like an extension of yourself, he's still his own character, and that character is Heterosexual, so same-sex romance is a no go.
Yeah, yeah... I know, "how can Shepard be straight and yet Femshep sleeps with Liara?" Bioware's excuse is that Asari aren't technically female, *eyeroll* and although that's a complete load of BS, I'm smart enough to know that arguing over it won't change anything, so continuously bumping that topic, creating others like it, or making a sig about it is just disruptive and annoying.

Bioware likes to say how they listen to their fans, but in the end it's always their decision, and I can already tell you that neither nudity nor same-sex romance are going to happen in ME3.
So again, if you want nudity or same-sex romance, get the PC Version and wait for Mods.

Bioware even removed the penis from the Statue of David that was in Donovan Hock's Vault in the Kasumi DLC, and that's a bloody work of art!!! If they'd do that to art, then there's no chance of seeing nudity in ME3's Love Scenes!

[uzivatel]

Gs09GTR wrote...

Wasnt there nudity in ME1?

Not really.

I dont mind nudity in games, but I am not sure its actually a good idea in this case. Sure, it gives BioWare/EA some extra publicity, but does it add anything to ME?
I think that good writing, music, design, camera etc. is whats important. I think BioWare has been somewhat overambitious with ME2. And while it did work pretty well for the most part, there were imo too many squad members and too many romances.

Modifié par uzivatel, 23 avril 2010 - 06:44 .

[jon0945]

One moment...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

"I know, "how can Shepard be straight and yet Femshep sleeps with Liara?" Bioware's retcon is that Asari aren't technically female, *eyeroll*

There....fixed.

I did not know about the Statue of David thing as I haven't gotten around to play Kasumi yet, One more for the "The Mass Effect franchise is being systematically toned down for younger audiences" pile I guess. I guess we can  expect Mass Effect 3 toys in Happy Meals in a couple of years.

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 06:55 .

[Ryzaki]

They did say the see it as a "PG - 13" action flick. So I suppose the whole censoring actually makes sense now.
They turned a mature game into a teenage action flick.

Well done Bioware.
Well Done.

*disclaimed: Those last two lines were sarcasm. Yes I know it is obvious to most but some one will jump down my throat leading to a bunch of facepalming unless I make myself clear.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2010 - 06:56 .

[jon0945]

Ryzaki wrote...

They did say the see it as a "PG - 13" action flick. So I suppose the whole censoring actually makes sense now.
They turned a mature game into a teenage action flick.

They really said that? If that's the case then ugh... talk about false marketing. Like buying a ticket for what posters/ads say is an R rated movie only to find it was cut down to PG-13. The movie may be awesome and you could even go see it multiple times, but somewhere deep in the back of your mind will be that nagging feeling that you got screwed.

If that's how they see the franchise, then yeah. We can forget both a return to ME1 tasteful love scenes as well as any hope for same-sex romance..

I'm recomended to be a legal adult to buy a game that has content aimed at teenagers. Something is deeply wrong with the ESRB/PEGI game rating system then.

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 07:22 .

[Ryzaki]

jon0945 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

They did say the see it as a "PG - 13" action flick. So I suppose the whole censoring actually makes sense now.
They turned a mature game into a teenage action flick.

They really said that? If that's the case then ugh... talk about false marketing. Like buying a ticket for what posters/ads say is an R rated movie only to find it was cut down to PG-13. The movie may be awesome and you could even go see it multiple times, but somewhere deep in the back of your mind will be that nagging feeling that you got screwed.

If that's how they see the franchise, then yeah. We can forget both a return to ME1 tasteful love scenes as well as any hope for same-sex romance..

Yup ironically it was in answer to a question about same sex romance

Casey Hudson: Everything new that we add still requires extra content. Some people might argue in a case like that you could just have the same kinds of scenes that just work with different characters. But we wouldn't really want to have it that way. You'd want to take a proper approach to designing those scenes, otherwise you'd see the same scene. So we kind of pulled back and looked at where we had todraw the line in terms of how much content we make. How much should we support? We actually added a lot more romance options because we have new characters and multiple options already in the romances. So we kind of pulled back and said, "Well, the love interest is part of the story and it helps you care about the characters in a different way." We still
view it as... if you're picturing a PG-13 action movie. That's how we're trying to design it. So that's why the love interest is relatively light. ... That's another thing we did better than we did before. We really lock you into character. Tali is really interesting because the whole idea of her character and what she's concerned about and her experience and age — we kind of factor all those things, and we designedthe love interests really around the particular characters becausethey're all quite different. So her (love scene) is a little more innocent and fun.

Link: http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

Seriously BW

/facepalm

Not to mention the whole "Oh Tali being a F/F option would make her romance no longer innocent and fun!" unintentional (I hope) unfortunate implication.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2010 - 07:25 .

[uzivatel]

Ryzaki wrote...

They turned a mature game into a teenage action flick.

If by "mature" you mean ESRB: M, then nothing has changed.
If by "mature" you mean mature, then nothing has changed.

Modifié par uzivatel, 23 avril 2010 - 07:27 .

[ToJKa1]

slimgrin wrote...

Take heart. Other gaming companies will pick up where Bioware left off.

CD Projekt red, Larian studios, Bethesda, etc..

That i seriously doubt. Sex in Bethesda's games is like a female Turian, it's talked about but there's no evidence of it's existence. Oblivion doesn't even have children. Of course the modding community takes care of that. And then some...

CD Projekt Red however included a lot of it in the Witcher, the european version has a naked dryad wandering around in the forest...

Modifié par ToJKa1, 23 avril 2010 - 07:34 .

[jon0945]

slimgrin wrote...

Take heart. Other gaming companies will pick up where Bioware left off.

CD Projekt red, Larian studios, Bethesda, etc..

Sadly, Bethesda's games have never impressed me. Pretty but never as gripping and engaging as Bioware's

CD Projekt Red's The Witcher had some good parts (a proper mature story), but other parts were way way over the top (Geralt sleeping with anything that had breasts)

Never played anything from Larian Studios

But this is going off-topic...

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 07:33 .

[Ryzaki]

uzivatel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

They turned a mature game into a teenage action flick.

If by "mature" you mean ESRB: M, then nothing has changed.
If by "mature" you mean mature, then nothing has changed.

Personal interpreation I suppose *shrugs*

jon0945 wrote...

Sadly, Bethesda's games have never
impressed me. Pretty but never as gripping and engaging as Bioware's

CD
Projekt Red's The Witcher had some good parts (a proper mature story),
but other parts were way way over the top (Geralt sleeping with
anything that had breasts)

And that is
why I never was interested in the game. Seriously I was all ready to buy it until I heard about that then I was like. "eh? Nevermind."

Guess that whole boy's club thing held true in that case.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2010 - 07:36 .

[uzivatel]

slimgrin wrote...

CD Projekt red, Larian studios, Bethesda, etc..

You joking...?

Ryzaki wrote...

Personal interpreation I suppose *shrugs*

Then how about your interpretation? not some random quote...

Modifié par uzivatel, 23 avril 2010 - 07:37 .

[Siansonea]

It is a pity that a single individual has such sway over at Bioware. I imagine there are a lot of creative individuals who chafe at the concessions the game makes for political or arbitrary reasons. I know I would hate to see my work distorted by an unenlightened person, and reduced to an innocuous and uninspiring product. There is and was a great deal of potential with this property, but much of it has been wasted due to social myopia on the part of the development team's leadership.

[Ryzaki]

uzivatel wrote...

Then how about your interpretation? not some random quote...

There's nothing random about that quote.
The quote says the dev team approached ME2 as a Teenage action flick.

ME1 wasn't ever said to be approached like that.

My interpretation of that is due to the sucess of the first game they decided to censor it to market it to the younger crowd and draw in more sales.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2010 - 07:48 .

[jon0945]

Ryzaki wrote...

jon0945 wrote...

Sadly, Bethesda's games have never
impressed me. Pretty but never as gripping and engaging as Bioware's

CD
Projekt Red's The Witcher had some good parts (a proper mature story),
but other parts were way way over the top (Geralt sleeping with
anything that had breasts)

And that is
why I never was interested in the game. Seriously I was all ready to buy it until I heard about that then I was like. "eh? Nevermind."

Guess that whole boy's club thing held true in that case.

Oh yes, that bit was some really obvious pandering to the pubescent boys crowd. Shame really, because the storyline was really nice. Dark and gritty with interesting moral choices.

*turns hard left* Back on topic though, there's a thread somewhere for further talk about The Witcher.

Modifié par jon0945, 23 avril 2010 - 07:47 .