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[CalJones]

Not a troll, honest - I'm genuinely curious. Alistair does have a very passionate and vocal female fanbase, as evidenced in other threads, but I'm wondering if there are any women like myself who are actually not that keen on him.
I found him quite sweet and funny in my first playthrough, but definitely not sexy (I suspect I'm just too old for him, heh, although there seem to be a few "Alistair Moms" around).
However, over subsequent playthroughs (think I'm on my tenth, now) I've grown to like him less and less. This is no reflection on his writing - he's a well realised character and his voice acting is excellent, but, mrmm...he just doesn't do it for me.

[Sarah1281]

I don't dislike him but his habit of withholding important information, insistence of living in denial, and his refusal to put practicality and saving Ferelden over his grudge against Loghain has definitely lessened his appeal for me. I understand he has his reasons for this and they are decent reasons but there's only so many times I can listen to him accusing me of being a horrible person for marrying him to Anora and recruiting Loghain before I stop caring that he's upset.

[Ramante]

In my first playthrough I loved him, but now..

He complains a lot, I hate his 'what do you need my dear?' and he is very unreasonable during the Landsmeet. I prefer Loghain over Alistair to be honest.

I love the way he is written and the voice acting is perfect, but no.. I'm not that into him.

[TanithAeyrs]

Much more of a Zev fan myself. Ali is okay but he can be annoying. I may be a little old for him too.



I've done the Alistair romance twice and it was sweet, but, for me he doesn't have the depth of Zev. I have gone as far as to write FF so my Dalish elf who romanced Ali can end up with Zev (and I want to fill in the story of Morrigan's baby).

[Sarah1281]

Part of my annoyance with him is hardly his fault but...It's bad enough that easily 80/90% of fanfiction is centered around an Alistair romance (or at least involves it in some way) when it's a Queen Cousland ending. When it's not and the Hero of Ferelden pines for him for years when he dies (or else she kills herself over it) or angsts because he's gotten married and then years later he comes back and they start to reconnect...no matter how awesome Alistair might be, he's still just a boy. He's only been the PC's boyfriend for, at most, a year. How can they NOT make any progress getting over him over the course of several years? That's not really romantic as much as horribly unrealistic and unhealthy.

[Vallren]

I liked him during my first campaign, but later he just became a nuisance.



For someone who doesn't want to lead the party, he sure can be pushy, he complains endlessly about everything you do, during the Landsmeet, he overreacts and you still have make him king, since he can't step up to the plate himself. And the ending, well he tries to run away from responsibility by killing himself, I think that says it all about his character. To be honest I do not use him in my party because I just can't stand the guy. Great voice acting though.

[nikki191]

ive never been interested in him in that way, hes more like a little brother

[CalJones]

Ramante and Sarah - same reasons as me, to be honest. I very much like Loghain as a character so obviously that does colour my view of Alistair, more so because I prefer to play more merciful characters who believe in giving others a second chance.

But it isn't simply that - he does come across as rather self-involved (not selfish, but he's so busy crying over Duncan that he doesn't even acknowledge the PC has had problems of her own, y'know, like having her family massacred, or almost being raped, or being betrayed by her brother, etc. Not until he finally digs that wilted rose out of his backpack, anyway). And then denial and withholding of information is very irksome. But yes... the patronising "what do you need my dear?" is just...ugh.

I'm definitely more of a Zev girl - I liked that a seemingly shallow, fun character can have so much depth.

[KnightofPhoenix]

This thread has restored my faith in the female gender

[Cuddlezarro]

I also seem to notice how ever one of the women except ramante has a dwarf avatar hmmm... possible connection?

[Minaleth]

Me, sort of. His personality does not appeal to me, but I will play the romance eventually just to see how it's written, because as character he is written good imo.

[eucatastrophe]

CalJones wrote...

But it isn't simply that - he does come across as rather self-involved (not selfish, but he's so busy crying over Duncan that he doesn't even acknowledge the PC has had problems of her own, y'know, like having her family massacred, or almost being raped, or being betrayed by her brother, etc. Not until he finally digs that wilted rose out of his backpack, anyway). And then denial and withholding of information is very irksome. But yes... the patronising "what do you need my dear?" is just...ugh.
I'm definitely more of a Zev girl - I liked that a seemingly shallow, fun character can have so much depth.

I actually think that ha smore to do with gaming resources and less with Alistair's personality

And I hate that at Adore or w/e he says teh "desire" line and at Love, he says the horrible, "Something you need, my dear?" too!

[ejoslin]

Naw. I love Zevran too. REALLY! Love him much! Ali, fun to dump!

[Herr Uhl]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I also seem to notice how ever one of the women except ramante has a dwarf avatar hmmm... possible connection?

Because dwarf women are awesome? (except the arms)

[Sarah1281]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I also seem to notice how ever one of the women except ramante has a dwarf avatar hmmm... possible connection?

Well the DN is my favorite origin and given that I only ever end up killing Bhelen if I want the throne and not out of vengeance (it really wasn't anything personal and I'm willing to bet he really does like you more than Trian) I really have no sympathy for his insistance that Loghain has to die no matter what even if it ends up weakening our position in front of the bannorn and (if he becomes King) makes the other nobles think he's going to throw a giant tantrum whenever he doesn't get his way.

If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

[_- Songlian -]

Never really considered Alistair a potential love interest. He's just not my type of romance, that's all. Nice character, very good and consistent writing, but that's about it, as far as I'm concerned.



I do, however, like him as a companion.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

Would a HN abandon his nation if Howe was made a Warden? If not, then it's not hypocracy at all to be revolted from Alistair's tantrum.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

Would a HN abandon his nation if Howe was made a Warden? If not, then it's not hypocracy at all to be revolted from Alistair's tantrum.

Of course not. I meant more tolerant of Alistair's obsessive need to see Loghain dead than tolerate of his tantrum.

[khathaway71]

I don't dislike Alistair as a companion or friend. But I sure dislike romancing him. He has the appeal of a whiny little brother to me.

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

Would a HN abandon his nation if Howe was made a Warden? If not, then it's not hypocracy at all to be revolted from Alistair's tantrum.

Mine would. Hell, I so wished for a dialogue option "Let me kill Howe now, or you and Cauthrien die right here!" or sth like that (to Loghain when he visits you in the arl´s house).

[Vallren]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Because
dwarf women are awesome? (except the arms)

Yeah whats the deal with the freakishly long arms? I always found that a
bit creepy, that and the fact my character could carry a sword pretty
much heir height. Other than that I just have a soft spot for dwarfs,
and the Castles Origin was my favorite by far.

Modifié par Vallren, 22 avril 2010 - 07:20 .

[Axekix]

Hahaha, I like where this thread is going!

[Sarah1281]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

Would a HN abandon his nation if Howe was made a Warden? If not, then it's not hypocracy at all to be revolted from Alistair's tantrum.

Mine would. Hell, I so wished for a dialogue option "Let me kill Howe now, or you and Cauthrien die right here!" or sth like that (to Loghain when he visits you in the arl´s house).

Well that's highly irresponsible. Feeding all of Ferelden to darkspawn because you're pissed at one guy? I suppose since Howe is a sociopath who doesn't even pretend to be a good guy (except in the Origin a little and even then he insults Cailan and if you talk to his guards they say how important it is that they no who you are which kind of freaked me out the first time I played it) he has to die and so it won't really be an issue and you'll almost have to side with Alistair on his desire for vengeance or end up a hypocrite.

[TripLight]

I honestly loved Al to death on my first playthrough. Second playthrough...while he is sweet, I noticed he was more child-like then I cared to admit. I like his sense of humor, but honestly that endearing awkwardness started grating on me. The relationship starting appearing to me as ALL about him. You can't move forward without his approval, he thinks he is the only bastard prince to be born(I blame Eamon mostly for his issues), you can't challenge him seriously, he always makes a joke.



Then I peeked in on the Zevran thread around page 300, and the rest is history.



The boy has some issues that he just won't stop and examine closely. His world is black and white, there is no room for the shades of Grey.



See!.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
If my main playthrough was a HN and I spent the game plotting Howe's death or a CE that was pissed about the whole slavery thing then maybe I'd have to be more tolerant to avoid being a hypocrite.

Would a HN abandon his nation if Howe was made a Warden? If not, then it's not hypocracy at all to be revolted from Alistair's tantrum.

Mine would. Hell, I so wished for a dialogue option "Let me kill Howe now, or you and Cauthrien die right here!" or sth like that (to Loghain when he visits you in the arl´s house).

Then your warden is no different than Alistair. Wouldn't be judged any differently in that situation either.