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[TeffexPope]

Honestly it just looks like he is in an Iron Man suit. I don't think we should be taking literal visual clues from something that is intentionallty vague.

Modifié par TeffexPope, 08 août 2010 - 05:11 .

[Xeranx]

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

[armass]

Gathering what ives seen here are some prime canditates for who the Shadow Broker really is:

1. an A.I
2. Liara's "father"
3. The consort Shai'ra
4. Barla Von
5. Feron, Liara's drell friend
6. The league of one, from salarians
7. A prothean
8. TIM
9. The council, or someone from the council (far out but could be)
10. Someone you have already met
11. Someone you haven't met yet

Who is it?

Modifié par armass, 08 août 2010 - 05:42 .

[AresXX7]

PWENER wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Bluko wrote...

*Spoiler Alert*

Shadow Broker:"Cmdr. Shepard never told you who your father was."

Liara:"He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"

Shadow Broker:"No Liara, I am your father!"

...

Shepard:"I should go."

Aethyta is the shadow broker?! WWWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFF!?

Who?

she's the asari matriarch bartender on Illium

[armass]

Here's another idea, supposed that some character we have already met has a split personality, and that other personality is actually the shadow broker?

[PWENER]

armass wrote...

Here's another idea, supposed that some character we have already met has a split personality, and that other personality is actually the shadow broker?

LAME.

[armass]

PWENER wrote...

armass wrote...

Here's another idea, supposed that some character we have already met has a split personality, and that other personality is actually the shadow broker?

LAME.

can you come up with something better then?

[fantasypisces]

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

Yeah, then incest for generations on end as brothers sleep with sisters to keep the population going <_<

[PWENER]

armass wrote...

PWENER wrote...

armass wrote...

Here's another idea, supposed that some character we have already met has a split personality, and that other personality is actually the shadow broker?

LAME.

can you come up with something better then?

A character who we've never met, who also escapes at the end of the DLC, because it seems more logical that we kill him in ME3, not on a freaking DLC.

[armass]

PWENER wrote...

armass wrote...

PWENER wrote...

armass wrote...

Here's another idea, supposed that some character we have already met has a split personality, and that other personality is actually the shadow broker?

LAME.

can you come up with something better then?

A character who we've never met, who also escapes at the end of the DLC, because it seems more logical that we kill him in ME3, not on a freaking DLC.

A character we have never met before tough lacks the emotional punch that dlc would bring instead of a character we have already met, or who Liara has already met. Sure we may not kill him in dlc, but im pretty sure we will learn who he/she/it/they is/are?

[Sharptooth]

fantasypisces wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

Yeah, then incest for generations on end as brothers sleep with sisters to keep the population going <_<

Question, why is the Prothean family tree drawn in a straight line at a certain point in history?

[Xeranx]

fantasypisces wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

Yeah, then incest for generations on end as brothers sleep with sisters to keep the population going <_<

I'm not saying it's a good thing.  My faith deals with the idea that there were only two human beings placed on earth and as often as the joke is told it does beg the question that if only two existed at one point then where did the rest of us come from?  But that's an aside...I just wanted to get it out there and show that I'm not bringing up the idea as a joke and I know I'm risking a stigma here just for bringing it up.  Despite that I think it would have been a great story to tell of how determined the protheans were to exist, thrive, and how that could possibly lead to the Protheans looking for ways to beat the reapers.

In another thread I (clumsily) brought up how I thought it would have been cool if the collectors were collecting not just humans but other species to hold in cryo until such a time the protheans felt they were ready to confront the reapers later.  Their current method of procedure, I think, sets this up nicely.  I admit there would be some contrivances, but it would have made for a much richer story in my opinion.  Also there's a lot of religious imagery in the story already, and I feel the possible Noah's Ark reference would bring more personality to the Protheans on top of their desire to survive.  Instead what we got was shallow middle-men who served no substantial (I believe I can safely say that) purpose other than to give us something to shoot at.

Modifié par Xeranx, 08 août 2010 - 02:55 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

First of all, we've already had two major plottwists concerning the fate of the Protheans. Secondly, one would assume that something that is somehow the result of the Last Protheans (the ones from Ilos), whether organic or synthetic, would refrain from aiding the Reapers in any way possible.

Also, one of my earliest speculations as to the identity of the Shadow Broker was that it was either the "Ever Alert" - one of the STG heroes Kirrahe spoke of, who was able to keep armies at bay with hidden facts - or one of his successors, considering the fact that salarians don't live that long and that we have no idea when this Ever Alert lived.
If it is indeed be someone we know of and thus someone who has to be alive, I'd say it's Commander Rentola, Captain Kirrahe's second-in-command. I assume that most people had recruited Liara already when going to Virmire, and our fair blue lady would probably have met him at the salarian camp there. Thus someone Liara knows, someone Shepard knows, someone who is sure to be alive and a great chance for a decent Kaishley reference.

Most of all a marvelous opportunity for anyone to say "Hold the line".

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 août 2010 - 03:42 .

[Mallissin]

Well, whoever it is...they put his nipple in the wrong place in the comic. It should be a little lower and to the left.



Checkout op's first post and the left nip. Way misplaced. Sheesh. The guy must be inbred or something.

[Simpfan]

It could be a drell.

But that chin is really throwing me for a loop.

Even drell dont have them sticking out that far.

[TheGreyGhost119]

I really hope it doesn't end up being some one we have met because that would end up being so lame and cliche. There is no need for an "emotional" moment when you meet the Shadow Broker.

[BellatrixLugosi]

The chances of the Shadow Broker being David Bowie are much higher then him being the Illusive man, I wonder why people always bring up Illusive man

[Jonathan Shepard]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

First of all, we've already had two major plottwists concerning the fate of the Protheans. Secondly, one would assume that something that is somehow the result of the Last Protheans (the ones from Ilos), whether organic or synthetic, would refrain from aiding the Reapers in any way possible.

Also, one of my earliest speculations as to the identity of the Shadow Broker was that it was either the "Ever Alert" - one of the STG heroes Kirrahe spoke of, who was able to keep armies at bay with hidden facts - or one of his successors, considering the fact that salarians don't live that long and that we have no idea when this Ever Alert lived.
If it is indeed be someone we know of and thus someone who has to be alive, I'd say it's Commander Rentola, Captain Kirrahe's second-in-command. I assume that most people had recruited Liara already when going to Virmire, and our fair blue lady would probably have met him at the salarian camp there. Thus someone Liara knows, someone Shepard knows, someone who is sure to be alive and a great chance for a decent Kaishley reference.

Most of all a marvelous opportunity for anyone to say "Hold the line".

I just hope another Salarian business(wo)man comes along and says that, referring to a phone call. If the SB says it though, right as Shepard is coming in, it would be both scary and hilarious at the same time. But it would have to be said in a sinister voice so that people won't catch it at first... 

[Xeranx]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

First of all, we've already had two major plottwists concerning the fate of the Protheans. Secondly, one would assume that something that is somehow the result of the Last Protheans (the ones from Ilos), whether organic or synthetic, would refrain from aiding the Reapers in any way possible.

Also, one of my earliest speculations as to the identity of the Shadow Broker was that it was either the "Ever Alert" - one of the STG heroes Kirrahe spoke of, who was able to keep armies at bay with hidden facts - or one of his successors, considering the fact that salarians don't live that long and that we have no idea when this Ever Alert lived.
If it is indeed be someone we know of and thus someone who has to be alive, I'd say it's Commander Rentola, Captain Kirrahe's second-in-command. I assume that most people had recruited Liara already when going to Virmire, and our fair blue lady would probably have met him at the salarian camp there. Thus someone Liara knows, someone Shepard knows, someone who is sure to be alive and a great chance for a decent Kaishley reference.

Most of all a marvelous opportunity for anyone to say "Hold the line".

That the Protheans left a message for others to warn them about the reapers was good.  It let us know that someone tried to warn everyone else that there was something out there.  The plot twist involving the converted Protheans into collector drones doesn't exactly do much considering how it happened.  It is sad and unfortunate, but ultimately I felt nothing when I learned about it because I didn't know them.  Bioware killed them off when they should have survived or if they were to be killed off entirely then there should have been more considering the protheans.  The orb on Eletania did more to showcase the Protheans than the revelation on the collector ship did for me.

Now considering the number of plot twists the Protheans have, just because it's been few doesn't mean it shouldn't or couldn't be more.  The Protheans are still largely believed to be the creators of the mass relays.  There's a lot of mystique surrounding them that can be brought to bear for the larger part of the story.  There's a lot that can be explained, exposed, and built upon.  I still feel the Protheans have more of a part to play in the series or at least they did before they were killed off in ME2.  While having an STG member holding the role of the Shadow Broker is good, the idea of the Shadow Broker being a Prothean is incredible.

[Slayer299]

[quote]Xeranx wrote...
I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.[/quote]

The only problem with that concept of "it only takes two" is that it doesn't work. Two people aren't going to produce children in litters like cats and what do you do when something kills or severely injures one of the two?


[/quote]Xeranx wrote...
Now considering the number of plot twists the Protheans have, just because it's been few doesn't mean it shouldn't or couldn't be more.  The Protheans are still largely believed to be the creators of the mass relays.  There's a lot of mystique surrounding them that can be brought to bear for the larger part of the story.  There's a lot that can be explained, exposed, and built upon.  I still feel the Protheans have more of a part to play in the series or at least they did before they were killed off in ME2.  While having an STG member holding the role of the Shadow Broker is good, the idea of the Shadow Broker being a Prothean is incredible.[/quote]

I don't know about a Salarian though, they don't exactly have long lives from what we've been told/shown so far and I don't think even Protheans lived over 50,000 years. Someone else had mentioned the idea of the SB being someone you know or even met peripherally, and that I find to be an interesting idea.

Modifié par Slayer299, 09 août 2010 - 02:48 .

[Xeranx]

Slayer299 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
I would hope it is a Prothean. I loved how the Protheans were able to last out the reaper culling and made it to the Citadel via the conduit. I, however, hate that it seems the Protheans weren't allowed to survive despite what is a major victory in hindsight. "There wasn't enough to sustain a viable population" (or something resembling that statement made by vigil)my foot. It only takes two.

The only problem with that concept of "it only takes two" is that it doesn't work. Two people aren't going to produce children in litters like cats and what do you do when something kills or severely injures one of the two?

Xeranx wrote...
Now considering the number of plot twists the Protheans have, just because it's been few doesn't mean it shouldn't or couldn't be more.  The Protheans are still largely believed to be the creators of the mass relays.  There's a lot of mystique surrounding them that can be brought to bear for the larger part of the story.  There's a lot that can be explained, exposed, and built upon.  I still feel the Protheans have more of a part to play in the series or at least they did before they were killed off in ME2.  While having an STG member holding the role of the Shadow Broker is good, the idea of the Shadow Broker being a Prothean is incredible.

I don't know about a Salarian though, they don't exactly have long lives from what we've been told/shown so far and I don't think even Protheans lived over 50,000 years. Someone else had mentioned the idea of the SB being someone you know or even met peripherally, and that I find to be an interesting idea.

There's a story that came out a few years ago about a guy who had kids with his wife.  Of the kids he had he kept one daughter in a special room under his house (iirc) and had her bear two more kids.  Humans cannot have "litters" without treatments, but that from two can more be born is undeniable.  I'd rather not continue this part of the discussion as it will be counterintuitive to the reason I actually made the comment.

The original reason I made the comment was that Vigil said that there were some Protheans left after the reapers had finished cleaning house and moved back to dark space.  He said that there were "a handful, but not enough to support a population".  I found that to be a huge cop-out.  The top scientists of the Prothean race were left to suss out all that went on.  That these top scientists used the conduit and made it to what is the center of galactic civilization with a group already present that's geared towards keeping the place in tip top shape (the keepers) makes me believe they didn't want to touch that story.  It is a loose end that's left flapping in the wind.  That the Protheans would have to do something distasteful to make sure their species survives and that they also likely have the ability to randomize genes to prevent abnormalities (keep in mind that the last Protheans in existence were kept alive through cryogenics -- intentionally)...it just doesn't make sense to me especially when they touched on pure-blood Asari.

As to your last comment.  I don't feel it has anything to do with how long any species can last.  Humans have been around for at least 8000 years.  We have information, however accurate, that dates back well before any of us were born.  So long as the information is passed on how long a species can live doesn't matter in my opinion.

The idea of the Shadow Broker being someone we know is an interesting idea and I believe I said as much, but I don't feel it would be as great as having what appears to be a long dead race/species proving they're anything but dead.

[Mr. niceguy15]

My controversial theory? It's Kasumi Goto.


- A nice guy.

Modifié par Mr. niceguy15, 11 août 2010 - 03:05 .

[Sajuro]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well, hopefully whoever he is he won't pull a John Galt and go on a rambling philosophical speech that lasts for like 3 entire chapters.

Though that would make one hell of a renegade interrupt, even more so if Shepard punches him. On that note the shadow broker is.
http://images4.wikia...98/Khalisah.png

[ThatDancingTurian]

I just hope it isn't an asari, personally (thought it probably will end up being the Consort and/or Liara's 'father'...)



I get it, they're long lived, but can't one of the other races hold a position of power this time?

[Guanxii]

My bet is that the Shadow Broker organization was actually formerly part of the Salarian government's intelligence gathering community who went rogue because they were tired of "holding the line", currently being headed by the female Salarian information broker who Anderson approached for information on Kahlee Saunders in Revelation 20 years ago after the fallout from Sidon. Tazzik being her right hand man, their short lifespan counteracted by their record keeping prowess throughout the ages, the Shadow Broker simply being the current head honcho in a long line of succession dictated by seniority and rank in the information trading game.

Edit: Drell have photographic memories triggered by emotional responses...  the broker never deals directly with any of the parties so I wouldn't put too much stock in the Shadow Broker is a Drell theory, besides Feron addressed the Shadow Broker directly.

Modifié par Guanxii, 11 août 2010 - 01:08 .