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[casedawgz]

In the Codex Entry "Mercenaries: Blue Suns (Full History)", it is mentioned that Zaeed and Vido founded the Suns in 2160. Zaeed did not create the Blue Suns when he was 17 years old. That is all.

[Onyx Jaguar]

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[Ablaz3d]

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[noobzor99]

casedawgz wrote...

In the Codex Entry "Mercenaries: Blue Suns (Full History)", it is mentioned that Zaeed and Vido founded the Suns in 2160. Zaeed did not create the Blue Suns when he was 17 years old. That is all.

We are talking about the same Zaeed, right?

[Tlazolteotl]

Damn. I would have thought he founded the blue suns when he was 3.

[Alraiis]

casedawgz wrote...

Zaeed did not create the Blue Suns when he was 17 years old. That is all.

If he did, it wouldn't be any more ridiculous and over-the-top than the rest of his backstory.

[MarshalMeLee]

Alraiis wrote...

If he did, it wouldn't be any more ridiculous and over-the-top than the rest of his backstory.

"A bullet to the head kills most people while a bullet in Zaeed's head just pisses him off more."

[Nivenus]

People have been known to survive bullets to the head with next to no long term ill effects. And given his bad eye, I'm guessing Zaeed didn't get out with no ill effects. It just depends on the trajectory the bullet takes.

Anyhow, I tend to agree that Zaeed isn't 40 years old, but the data's hardly proof of anything. While it is stretching believability, there have been militias headed (and run) by people as young as 10. Look up the Johnny and Luther Htoo some time.

Modifié par Nivenus, 23 avril 2010 - 08:09 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Zaeed was apparently an Alliance soldier before that though.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

we're arguing about a character's age now? im so far behind on the times.

[Loki330]

Nivenus wrote...

People have been known to survive bullets to the head with next to no long term ill effects. And given his bad eye, I'm guessing Zaeed didn't get out with no ill effects. It just depends on the trajectory the bullet takes.

Anyhow, I tend to agree that Zaeed isn't 40 years old, but the data's hardly proof of anything. While it is stretching believability, there have been militias headed (and run) by people as young as 10. Look up the Johnny and Luther Htoo some time.

Octavius (AKA Augustus) the first Princeps of the Roman Empire when he was 17. And he had to win a bloody civil war to get it too.

[Aryck the One]

I thought Zaeed was in his mid-50s? He sure as hell doesn't look 40. Heck, if it were't for the scaring and the bad-a** armor, I'd say he looks like he's ready to retire.

[Brako Shepard]

It would have made sense to give him an older age. People can still be very active in there 40's and 50's.



Personally I think he shoudl have been aged at around 42-45.

[Zulu_DFA]

casedawgz wrote...

In the Codex Entry "Mercenaries: Blue Suns (Full History)", it is mentioned that Zaeed and Vido founded the Suns in 2160. Zaeed did not create the Blue Suns when he was 17 years old. That is all.

15.

2185-2160=25
40-25=15.

Character ages on the official site make no sense for any character.

Mordin = 50 = Salarian equivalent Alzheimer's syndrome.
Grunt = 22. In the tank?
Jack = ?? WTF??? Cerberus knows not the age of their primary experiment subject?
Samara = ~600. Than she gave birth to Morinth at ~150, which is not an asari matron stage.
Miranda = 35 = genetically engineered in 2150, before BAaT and First Contact. Biotics were not yet properly reasearched.

Oh, yeas, and Garrus and Legion are still classified. And Inferno Ammo is Vanguard's power. That official site sucks, all along, Zaeed is not 40. Period.

Actually, you play Doom 3 as Zaeed , so he must be at least 58.

[Tlazolteotl]

Well, there's one explanation for all those discrepancies.

Someone haxx0rz teh Cerberus databases and changed stuff around 'cos it's teh lolz.

[Zulu_DFA]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Well, there's one explanation for all those discrepancies.
Someone haxx0rz teh Cerberus databases and changed stuff around 'cos it's teh lolz.

Or the guy, who makes this "Universe" page, has  spilled coffee all over his game documentation copy, and is afraid to ask for another.

[Tokion]

casedawgz wrote...
Miranda = 35 = genetically engineered in 2150, before BAaT and First Contact. Biotics were not yet properly reasearched.

Hmm Interesting, that means Miranda's father found out about biotics in short 2 years. Which might be possible to 'fill the plot' since we know he is a powerful man.

Taken from Masseffect wiki
Humans, from the planet Earth, Are the newest sentient species of notable size to enter the galactic stage and are hands-down the most rapidly expanding and developing. They independently discovered a Prothean data cache on Mars in 2148, and the mass relay networks shortly thereafter.

Modifié par Tokion, 23 avril 2010 - 11:07 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Tokion wrote...

casedawgz wrote...
Miranda = 35 = genetically engineered in 2150, before BAaT and First Contact. Biotics were not yet properly reasearched.

Hmm Interesting, that means Miranda's father found out about biotics in short 2 years. Which might be possible to 'fill the plot' since we know he is a powerful man.

Taken from Masseffect wiki
Humans, from the planet Earth, Are the newest sentient species of notable size to enter the galactic stage and are hands-down the most rapidly expanding and developing. They independently discovered a Prothean data cache on Mars in 2148, and the mass relay networks shortly thereafter.

From Kasumi DLC codex entry (approx.):

"Greyboxes" were developed as early as 2140 to counter Salarian photographic memory.

17 years before First Contact! Does this make any sense to anyone???

I seriously hope they make their heads and arses wired together for ME3.  If not... Well, I guess storytelling is not BioWare strong arm., That will be all I'll have to say.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 avril 2010 - 11:16 .

[Loki330]

If it was all by one writer, and in one go, it would probably be more consistent. As it is, there's several writers (as I understand it), and new content is being constantly added; a total bloody nightmare to keep it all consistent. While I don't read them, I understand that in the comic world (Superman/Spiderman/Batman/ect) it's got so bad that there's been more than one attempt to just restart from scratch in part because of all said inconsistencies.

[Tokion]

When Synthetic Insights first released them onto the market in 2140, grayboxes were hailed as a way humans could level the playing field between themselves and the salarians, whose natural eidetic memories gave them an advantage.



They said Synthetic Insights first introduce them, but the 2nd line did not specify *when* the humans were using them to level the playing field with the salarians. Maybe it was just bad writing.

[Daralii]

Tokion wrote...

When Synthetic Insights first released them onto the market in 2140, grayboxes were hailed as a way humans could level the playing field between themselves and the salarians, whose natural eidetic memories gave them an advantage.

They said Synthetic Insights first introduce them, but the 2nd line did not specify *when* the humans were using them to level the playing field with the salarians. Maybe it was just bad writing.

Maybe it's just sleep deprivation, but I can't see how you extrapolate that while keeping it in context. Looking at the way it's worded, it seems to indicate that they were being used to elevate humans closer to salarians within years, versus two decades.

[Zulu_DFA]

Loki330 wrote...

If it was all by one writer, and in one go, it would probably be more consistent. As it is, there's several writers (as I understand it), and new content is being constantly added; a total bloody nightmare to keep it all consistent. While I don't read them, I understand that in the comic world (Superman/Spiderman/Batman/ect) it's got so bad that there's been more than one attempt to just restart from scratch in part because of all said inconsistencies.

I suppose BioWare pay their writers. Or do they pay that little to put any effort into eliminating those inconsistencies?

Isn't Mac Walters there to oversee all writers' work and sometimes say to somebody: Look this is a good piece overall, but it doesn't fall in the general timelime, you have to make some amendments... Maybe you should discuss this with Mr. X, who writes such&such part...

This whole idea of treating Mass Effect as a pile of "content" is faulty.

It ought to be one universe, and if something doesn't match up with previously established canon, it must be discarded, however cool it may look as a "stand alone" piece. All writers (and, ideally, artists and gameplay designers as well) should search for noncontradictory solutions to their tasks (yes, this is all about thermal ammo and no space armor issues again).

As it is, Mass Effect has no big future as a franchise. Because due to these inconsistencies it has been degraded from a hardish (and quite unique) sci-fi universe to "just another" fantasy universe. With kewl characters, boobs in space and streamlined gameplay mechanics, that have little to uphold the story telling.

This Zaeed is 40 is actually a minor thing among the multitude of other gross plot holes, common sense insults and scientific innacuracies. It's just one of the most self evident and eye catching.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 avril 2010 - 12:20 .

[Zenyattaa]

Anyone notice these screw ups came after EA bought Bioware? Or the partnership, whatever.



EA is headed up by idiots who don't know jack spit about putting out a quality product. All they care about is money.

[Major Mittens]

Guys, take a breath. These are all pretty minor things and the Graybox error is only one that appears in the actual game. Don't even get me started on "scientific inaccuracies", it's a friggin' video game.

[Peppard]

It doesn't make sense for him to be 40 because that doesn't seem like enough time for him to do all he's done. He could have started fairly young, but even then you figure his career had to be long, maybe 30 years? (few years in the military, few years w/ vido, + 20 hunting him down)Though our sense of age would be different in a future when people live longer than they do now. And your sense of "old" also changes as you do.



He might be chronologically 55 or something, but perhaps in the ME world, that's the new "40" and he isn't meant to be "ready to retire". He ought to be older than 40, but he isn't old.