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[Tinnic]

I guess there are couple of variables here. Firstly, Alistair himself can be hardened or unhardened. Then there is the point whether the PC warden continues to be "in the picture". I mean, I just arranged for Alistair to me Anora while my PC was romancing Alistair and Anora made the point of asking if the PC was going to remain in the picture. Saying that Cailan had his women and wondered if she was going to be in another marriage where her husbands eyes were else where. My PC told her that she wasn't going to be in the picture. Anora seemed pleased.

Anyway, so the question is, do you think Anora is capable of loving Alistair. For that matter, do you think Alistair can grow to love Anora? 

[Aisynia]

I think Anora can love him yes, that largely depends on him though.



He can love her in time, but remember Anora reminds him of Loghain and he's super mega petty when it comes to that. Meanwhile, Loghain is her hero.

[SurelyForth]

I think if Alistair was never romanced and is hardened, and Loghain is killed at the Landsmeet, there is a possibility that they could eventually fall in love. It all depends on how easily he can separate her from her father, and how much she can soften her more ruthless tendencies. If she continues to pull stuff like she can pull during the Landsmeet (betraying the Wardens to Cauthrien and the Landsmeet) then I can't see him falling for her.



There is indication at the Post-Coronation that she doesn't hate him and is warming to him a bit, but who knows what that means. She also seems to like the MHN and, from what Loghain says in Awakening, seems to have intimacy issues with him.



Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

[sylvanaerie]

An Anora/Alistair pairing while it may have some civility or even with time warmth I don't really see her warming up romantically with him. Her attitude toward Cailan seems almost as if he were her BFF not a husband. And Alistair really dislikes Anora and her father. (esp if her father is still in the picture).



Also Anora has walled herself within a shell of emotional detachment that would take someone with a lot more patience than Alistair to warm up. He tends to wear his heart on his sleeve and see things in rather emotional terms. I don't see him trying much after his first attempts to be friendly get rebuffed by the ice queen. I get WHY she does it and she really does it to herself but I get the feeling she is a very lonely person (Look at her placement in the Post Coronation ceremony, doing a wallflower thing in the corner away from everyone).



If he had the patience to overlook her initial icyness without taking it too personally I could see maybe them being friends, but not lovers.

[Tinnic]

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

That's what my PC Warden figured. Which is why she hasn't and doesn't plan to break-up with Alistair. Lying to Anora is pay back for Anora selling her out to Cauthrien! 

[Bann Duncan]

Tinnic wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

That's what my PC Warden figured. Which is why she hasn't and doesn't plan to break-up with Alistair. Lying to Anora is pay back for Anora selling her out to Cauthrien! 

Anora selling the Warden out to Ser Cauthrien?

[Tinnic]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Tinnic wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

That's what my PC Warden figured. Which is why she hasn't and doesn't plan to break-up with Alistair. Lying to Anora is pay back for Anora selling her out to Cauthrien! 

Anora selling the Warden out to Ser Cauthrien?

After you rescue Anora and are confronted by Ser Cauthrien, you have the option to tell Ser Cauthrien that you came to rescue Anora. Ser Cauthrien won't believe you and so you can ask Anora to step forward. At this point Anora tells Ser Cauthrien that you are trying to kidnap her and Ser Cauthrien attacks at once. >.<

Later when you confront Anora, she says that you put her in an awkward position and that Ser Cauthrien is her father's most trusted lackey or something like that. I don't really buy her excuse. But then I suppose if she had shown to the Warden that she can order Ser Cauthrien around, then the Warden would have figured out that Anora was in no danger from her father and was just a manipulative ****. I am going to enjoy screwing her over in the landsmeet. 

[errant_knight]

Not in any way Alistair would recognize as such, I don't think. While she's not my favorite person, I'm certain she cared for Cailan. They were childhood friends. I don't think she really loved him, but rather liked him and found him a good ally.



It's possible that she was misrepresenting her opinion of Cailan's capabilities to the warden for the purposes of gaining support for herself, but I don't think she respected him enough to really love him, and the same would hold true of Alistair.



The ending slide about her remaining single becasuse no men measured up to her father is telling, I think, and a little...off.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

Exactly.  She's pleased because there is one less person with influence near the throne.  This is borne out by another comment Loghain makes in Awakening, that the HNM being in Amaranthine means Anora gets her way about having him away from court.

I think Alistair and Anora could come to have a good working relationship, but not a true affection.  Loghain would always be between them.

[Costin_Razvan]

I believe they could love each other in time, yes. She certainly loved Cailan to a degree.

[JosieJ]

errant_knight wrote...

The ending slide about her remaining single becasuse no men measured up to her father is telling, I think, and a little...off creepy.

Fixed that for you!  

What does Loghain say about a MHN/Anora marriage in Awakening?  I've never been able to bring myself to allow him to live, at least not yet.  

[nos_astra]

JosieJ wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The ending slide about her remaining single becasuse no men measured up to her father is telling, I think, and a little...off creepy.

Fixed that for you!  

What does Loghain say about a MHN/Anora marriage in Awakening?  I've never been able to bring myself to allow him to live, at least not yet. 

He hints that she may ... want to avoid producing an heir ... by avoiding sex. Something like that.

[mopotter]

I believe one ending does have the possibility of them loving one another. Anora told my female elf that she found more to like about Alistair than she thought she would, she also said she loved her husband and Alistair reminded her of him in some of the good ways.

I had him gain self-confidence with the sister confrontation and he was interested in the process of ruling. According to the bit at the end they had a good marriage, ruled together and the people felt they did a good job.

He did not have to have sex with Morrigan, accepted Loghain as a warden, after he died, and still called my elf friend.

[JosieJ]

klarabella wrote...

He hints that she may ... want to avoid producing an heir ... by avoiding sex. Something like that.

Thanks.  I can kinda see that!  (Although, really, it'd probably be futile to hope for an heir, tainted as the Warden is, and Loghain should know that.)  Still, from the brief scene in the beginning of Awakening, she seems to regard the MHN I'm currently playing with fondness, even though both of them went into the marriage for political reasons.

[DWSmiley]

I think they have a decent relationship in any event but love - not really. Anora will get along with an unhardened Alistair easily enough, as he will happily leave the ruling to her while being the popular face of the monarchy - Cailin redux. Or, she'll grow to respect a hardened Alistar and, it seems, willingly share the real power. But she has intimacy issues. I can't see their love life amounting to much. As to just how her father plays into that, well...

Modifié par DWSmiley, 23 avril 2010 - 05:04 .

[CalJones]

Well, there's a lot of factors. She's quite like me in a lot of respects - only child, spent a lot of time on her own as a kid (she played with Cailan, but not the local children, according to Loghain), likes her space and is very self sufficient, and not terribly interested in children. Doesn't mean she can't love, however. I've managed to get to 40s without getting married or procreating and I'm pretty happy about that, but I've had boyfriends and have been in love. I daresay, given enough freedom, she would do the same.

However, the marriage to Alistair is one of convenience. And both Anora and Alistair have issues to overcome. Anora has to deal with the fact that Alistair is freakishly like her dead husband (and whilst she might not have been in love with Cailan, she did love him) so things will certainly be strange for her for a while, and maybe for the duration of the marriage.

And then there's the Loghain issue. I tend to disagree with SurelyForth who thinks that the best shot at happiness is if Loghain dies at the Landsmeet. Were I Anora, I would be rather resentful of a man who openly hated my father and had been involved in a plot to destroy him, even if Alistair were not the one wielding the blade. Yes, she does admit Loghain has done some awful things, but he's her father, for crying out loud - she's not going to forget that.

On the other hand, Alistair is going to have issues if Loghain's still around (via DR), so I really think their best shot is if Loghain throws himself on the archdemon. Anora has closure and has the comfort of knowing her old man died a hero, and Alistair doesn't have to deal with the father-in-law from hell.

I can see them having a certain fondness for each other, though I doubt it would turn into romantic love. But stranger things have happened, I suppose!

[Sarah1281]

SurelyForth wrote...



Also, I honestly think she tells you the line about Cailan because she's manipulating the Warden. She doesn't really want you around because that means less control for her.

You can still hang around and influence Alistair if you're not sleeping with him. I think her main problem is that while she's willing to put up with Alistair cheating she' really rather not have her husband having affairs and, if it's not dicrete, it could cause quite a scandal. Not to mention if he and whoever he's sleeping with have an heir and she never does...it's the Rowan-Alistair situation all over again.

[Harutes]

klarabella wrote...

JosieJ wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The ending slide about her remaining single becasuse no men measured up to her father is telling, I think, and a little...off creepy.

Fixed that for you!  

What does Loghain say about a MHN/Anora marriage in Awakening?  I've never been able to bring myself to allow him to live, at least not yet. 

He hints that she may ... want to avoid producing an heir ... by avoiding sex. Something like that.

I always just assumed that the horrified look that he talks about is from the fact that she doesn't really want to be talking about her sex life with her father.

[errant_knight]

JosieJ wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The ending slide about her remaining single becasuse no men measured up to her father is telling, I think, and a little...off creepy.

Fixed that for you!  

What does Loghain say about a MHN/Anora marriage in Awakening?  I've never been able to bring myself to allow him to live, at least not yet.  

LOL! Y'know, I almost went with creepy.... Thanks.

[Giggles_Manically]

ummm. just saw the coronation scene at the end, and Alister tries to holds Anora's hand if you look close enough, so I think that maybe the two of them still have problems months later.

[Giggles_Manically]

DAMN double posts

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 24 avril 2010 - 01:24 .

[SurelyForth]

CalJones wrote...

And then there's the Loghain issue. I tend to disagree with SurelyForth who thinks that the best shot at happiness is if Loghain dies at the Landsmeet. Were I Anora, I would be rather resentful of a man who openly hated my father and had been involved in a plot to destroy him, even if Alistair were not the one wielding the blade. Yes, she does admit Loghain has done some awful things, but he's her father, for crying out loud - she's not going to forget that.

I'm looking at it from Alistair's perspective; I can't imagine Alistair would be happy with having to live with a woman who hero-worships a man that he hates, and if you let Loghain kill the Archdemon he's even more of a hero in her eyes, and in the eyes of the country. Alistair also is notedly more bitter about the marriage from the outset if you spare Loghain. 

Edited to add: When you spare Loghain, you always get that moment when Alistair tries to make himself king so that he can see justice done. Anora is standing right there when that happens. If the PC just goes ahead and executes Loghain, Alistair doesn't have a chance to express his opinion on the subject. She could very well not know the true depths of his hatred for Loghain if he is executed, while it's pretty obvious when he's spared.

In the toolset, it indicates that she was not fond of Cailan.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 avril 2010 - 01:42 .

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

ummm. just saw the coronation scene at the end, and Alister tries to holds Anora's hand if you look close enough, so I think that maybe the two of them still have problems months later.

I think they would have tried to have the coronation as soon as possible so maybe a few weeks later but certainly not months. The sooner they had someone safely on the throne the better.

[Tinnic]

Anora does have creepy daddy issues. CREEPY daddy issues and she is political in everything she does. I can see her looking forward to Alistair's calling. I can even see her secretly contracting mages to find a way to accelerate Alistair's calling and get him out of the way.



Still, I think there is a tiny, tiny, tiny chance that Anora can grow to love and be in love with Alistair. I guess it would be too much to wish that David Gaider sees this post and chooses to give us his opinion on whether the noble Templar can ever thaw the heart of the Ice Queen. A well.