Aller au contenu

Photo

ME2 is an indictment of the current "youth"


  • Ce sujet est fermé Ce sujet est fermé
76 réponses à ce sujet

#51
Sailears

Sailears
  • Members
  • 7 078 messages

Web2nr wrote...

I never complained about the elevator rides, and don't mind the new load screens. However, I wish they'd remove the "mission" system. Every time you step off the Normandy it's a mission, the Normandy departs every time you get on the ship, and the mission completion screens all kill the immersion.

The main thing that irked me in ME2 was how missions were sectioned off from the rest of the world. For example areas like the start of Samara’s recruitment mission, Grunt’s loyalty mission, and Thane’s loyalty mission are areas that we should have been able to explore both before and after the missions.

Yes. This is my main gripe. It really disrupts the flow of the game, with the modular mission nature.

haberman13 wrote...

Litmus test: ME1 better than ME2?

No: your dumb
Yes: your not dumb

Sorry, it had to be said, this is pure fact baby.

That's your opinion.

Personally:
ME1 music ~ ME2 both have some wonderful tracks.
ME1 story > ME2 that just means I prefer ME1's plot to ME2's team building story.
ME1 gear < ME2 yes I'm glad to be rid of ME1's inventory, and prefer the ME2 gear.
ME1 exploration > ME2 yes ME1 felt more expansive and less modular. On the flipside very repetitive, so although there was more exploration, I prefer the unique ME2 missions.
ME1 world ~ ME2 difficult one. I think they each show the world in a different way, both acceptable.
ME1 characters ~ ME2
ME1 combat < ME2
ME1 graphics < ME2 EDIT: apart from the planets in planet scanning minigame. They look horrible.

Overall, I don't know.
The combat of ME2 keeps me wanting to play more, unlike that of ME1. Once you have played both games enough times that the attraction of further playthroughs comes from the combat rather than the story (and permutations), ME2 wins. Before that point, it is preferable to play ME1.

Modifié par Curunen, 23 avril 2010 - 10:59 .


#52
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.

Modifié par TJSolo, 23 avril 2010 - 11:03 .


#53
RyuGuitarFreak

RyuGuitarFreak
  • Members
  • 2 254 messages

GreedIsNoException wrote...
Garrus ME1>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garrus ME2

WTF dude???? Seriously. Garrus in ME1 was almost as boring, emotionless and unexpressive as Kaidan. Remove his side quest - wich is not that good - and Garrus can be more unisteresting than Ashley. I'm dead serious. He's all C-Sec story boring BS. Even his looks aren't that good - well, you can blame the bug on his textures a little for that -. I couldn't care less for Garrus in ME1. ME2 they put him in bad ass steroids. They put 100% more drama in his story and his atitudes. They took his character a level up, and even his visual character design is better, they put him taller and the injuries and scars gave him a more powerful look.

#54
SuperMedbh

SuperMedbh
  • Members
  • 918 messages

TJSolo wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.


There are ways to say "Hey, I miss this about ME1", then there's saying that everyone who likes ME2 is a juvenile Michael Bay fan.  The former encourages discussion, the later argument.

Modifié par SuperMedbh, 23 avril 2010 - 11:09 .


#55
RyuGuitarFreak

RyuGuitarFreak
  • Members
  • 2 254 messages

TJSolo wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.

It's worse because ALL of the these OPs opinions threads could be at "ME2: a disappointment? An open discussion" or something like that. All of these threads are kinda pointless because everyone kind of cry for the same reasons EVERYTIME. They always argue the same stuff.

#56
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

SuperMedbh wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.


There are ways to say "Hey, I miss this about ME1", then there's saying that everyone who likes ME2 is a juvenile Michael Bay fan.  The former encourages discussion, the later argument.


Both encourage discussion if one is mature enough to see past word play.
Both result in argument from the close-minded people that don't want opposing opinions present on this board.

#57
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.

It's worse because ALL of the these OPs opinions threads could be at "ME2: a disappointment? An open discussion" or something like that. All of these threads are kinda pointless because everyone kind of cry for the same reasons EVERYTIME. They always argue the same stuff.


It only becomes arguing when people enter the conversation attempting to stifle other opinions instead of holding a discussion.
Not every thread has a long run. This thread may or may not last long, then let it runs its course via general interest or mod control.
There is a reason why some of the points people bring up about the games are similar.

#58
Badger8126

Badger8126
  • Members
  • 79 messages
ME2 only does one thing wrong IMO, 10 shot ammo capacity for the sniper rifle.

I really don't give a **** about the rest.

My gun just needs to carry more "bullets"

Is that too much to ask for ?

#59
spacehamsterZH

spacehamsterZH
  • Members
  • 1 863 messages
Yes, haberman13, you're smarter because you like one videogame better than another. Happy now?

/thread

#60
Xpheyel

Xpheyel
  • Members
  • 176 messages

TJSolo wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Jesus, another one of these threads. Surely to god there are enough similar threads about already to tell the world why you think ME1 is better than ME2. This forum gets worse by the day.


How is it worse because someone posts reasons why they prefer ME1 over ME2, in the ME(no number) general forum?
People that think negatively of opposing opinions...sad.

It's worse because ALL of the these OPs opinions threads could be at "ME2: a disappointment? An open discussion" or something like that. All of these threads are kinda pointless because everyone kind of cry for the same reasons EVERYTIME. They always argue the same stuff.


It only becomes arguing when people enter the conversation attempting to stifle other opinions instead of holding a discussion.
Not every thread has a long run. This thread may or may not last long, then let it runs its course via general interest or mod control.
There is a reason why some of the points people bring up about the games are similar.


So you don't think that insulting people's intelligence if they hold contrary opinions is an attempt to stifle those opinions?

#61
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

Xpheyel wrote...

So you don't think that insulting people's intelligence if they hold contrary opinions is an attempt to stifle those opinions?

"ME2 is an indictment of the current "youth" "
Is not an insult, he very well could have but up "15-30 demographic" instead of youth and it means the same thing.
Bringing up Micheal Bay and actiony are neither insults to inteligence, rather emphasis on a certain demographic.
The OP was otherwise civil up until the point someone that had a differing opinion began insulting him.

#62
bjdbwea

bjdbwea
  • Members
  • 3 251 messages

haberman13 wrote...

Everything about ME2, except combat and graphics, is worse than ME1.

ME1 music > ME2
ME1 story > ME2
ME1 gear > ME2
ME1 exploration > ME2
ME1 world > ME2
ME1 characters > ME2 (as a whole)
ME1 combat < ME2
ME1 graphics < ME2


This. I completely agree. Thanks for creating this thread. The more there are (from different people of course), the more likely that perhaps these concerns are noticed.

#63
OneDrunkMonk

OneDrunkMonk
  • Members
  • 605 messages
Posted in another thread, here's my take:

ME2 improvements over ME1.

Direct to mission location.

It never made sense to me in ME1 why you would get dropped off so far from the actual location you were going to. Driving AND fighting your way with the Mako was fun but for the most part ground travel in ME1 was a time consuming drag, especially with all the mountains you had to climb in the Mako. In ME2 you're dropped right where you need to be and can get right down to business pretty much the moment you land. Good.

Variety of mission environments.

One of the big complaints of ME1 was how similar most of the mission environments were. In ME2 the mission environments are vastly different, unique onto themselves. ME2 environments are on a whole new level compared to ME1. It's not a minor improvement but a major one. Good.

No muss no fuss inventory.

Inventory managment in ME1 got to be a burden quickly. You'd have to constantly go in and delete old items and change things up amongst yourself and the squad. Not to mention the frustration of having to omni-gel a rare Krogan armor because it turns out you had no more room to carry it thus forcing the breakdown of recent found items. In ME2 each squad member carries the weapons they are trained in (2) with just a couple of variants. Weapons only have 4 or 5 upgrades which cuts down on the time consuming fiddling as you would constantly attempt to make the best upgrades for each mission/enemy type. A few select ammo types are made available minus all those levels and you can choose the ammo type direct from the HUD, yay! Armor upgrades for Shep only goes so far and again you don't have to spend large amounts of time fiddling with different combos trying to find the right one. Good.

Storyline/Characters.

ME1 had a great story and ME2 doesn't dissapoint in this department either. Mass Effect continues to be some of the greatest Sci-Fi out there and holds it's place well with the SCi-Fi movie, TV and literary classics. The story in ME2 is paced well, never boring and builds to a decent climax. I had initially worried that all the new characters in ME2 would be rather one dimensional tough guys from the game trailers I saw. In game however I was pleased to discover they all had much greater depth, even vulnerability. BioWare got it right in thinking that a great story has great characters and ME2 delivers. Each character was interesting to me (well...Some more than others) and I enjoyed getting to know them and having them on my team. Good.

Humor.

Humor offers a good balance from the heavy handedness and feirce combat scenarios. Star Trek, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, etc. all had a good amount of humor thrown into their stories and characters and it made them all the more enjoyable (except for Jar-Jar of course). ME2 is loaded with humorous moments and dialog, even Joker comes off as funny and less of a douche than he was in ME1. Good.

A little more logic.

Though I am no fan of planet scanning it at least makes more sense, developing your own cutting edge technology in house and manufacturing with found minerals, than the illogical of having to buy Specter weapons or any gear of any sort from some guy in your own ship's cargo hold. Good.

Production values.

I can't even think of a Sci-Fi video game on the same level as Mass Effect. Graphics, voice acting, special effects, all are top notch. Even better in ME2 there is no more glitching, texture popping, frame rate drops and vsync issues that were found in ME1. No more long elevator rides, the game just flows. Load screens and a disc swap is a small price to pay for the results. ME2 surpasses ME1 in it's production and that is no small feat. Sure it's not perfect but way ahead of other big budget video games. Good.

Miranda's butt.

No fan of unarmored squad mates. No fan of unrealistic clothes-on love scenes (why bother?) But Miranda's butt...Good...Very good.

All I can think of at the moment. I hope BioWare doesn't go and change all the game dynamics again. As in ME1, all is ever needed is a little tweak here n there. On a final note I loved being able to continue the Shepard I was familiar with in ME1 into ME2. Continuing a saved character is a great feature. ME2 is with out a doubt one of the best video games around.

Modifié par OneDrunkMonk, 24 avril 2010 - 12:04 .


#64
Xpheyel

Xpheyel
  • Members
  • 176 messages

TJSolo wrote...

Xpheyel wrote...

So you don't think that insulting people's intelligence if they hold contrary opinions is an attempt to stifle those opinions?

"ME2 is an indictment of the current "youth" "
Is not an insult, he very well could have but up "15-30 demographic" instead of youth and it means the same thing.
Bringing up Micheal Bay and actiony are neither insults to inteligence, rather emphasis on a certain demographic.
The OP was otherwise civil up until the point someone that had a differing opinion began insulting him.


To be extemely pedantic then, an indictment is an accusation of wrong doing. I fall entirely within the parameters of the title and context of the
post. What am I doing wrong by liking ME2 and fitting the technical description of a youth then? 

I can only guess that I am indirectly responsible for the degradation of the music, story, equipment, exploration, and characters. Of those, at least three are matters of taste (story, characters, music), implying that I am of poor taste. Three are also more thought-oriented (equipment, story, characters). Exploration is harder to quantify. Suffice to say, if I had proper taste and were smart enough to appreciate it; I would prefer ME1 to ME2.

Modifié par Xpheyel, 24 avril 2010 - 12:22 .


#65
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

Xpheyel wrote...

To be extemely pedantic then, an indictment is an accusation of wrong doing. I fall entirely within the parameters of the title and context of the
post. What am I doing wrong by liking ME2 and fitting the technical description of a youth then? 


Don't know what you should do. I fall into the demographic as well.
I agree with most of the OPs list when comparing the MEs.
I agree that the way games, most notably shooters, are being marketed and created for the demographic is becoming boring.

I try to discuss what is being said instead of how it is said or I simply stay out of that topic.

#66
cachx

cachx
  • Members
  • 1 692 messages

TJSolo wrote...

Xpheyel wrote...
So you don't think that insulting people's intelligence if they hold contrary opinions is an attempt to stifle those opinions?

"ME2 is an indictment of the current "youth" "
Is not an insult, he very well could have but up "15-30 demographic" instead of youth and it means the same thing.
Bringing up Micheal Bay and actiony are neither insults to inteligence, rather emphasis on a certain demographic.
The OP was otherwise civil up until the point someone that had a differing opinion began insulting him.


Actually, the OP was basically calling everyone who liked ME2 better a fool, to put it mildly. His troll attitude is aparent.

I don't see why liking the better designed game makes me less intelligent...

ME1's plot and characters may have been a little better (that's arguable), but in the gameplay and technical aspects is was very... awkward most of the time.

#67
TJSolo

TJSolo
  • Members
  • 2 256 messages

cachx wrote...


Actually, the OP was basically calling everyone who liked ME2 better a fool, to put it mildly. His troll attitude is aparent.

I don't see why liking the better designed game makes me less intelligent...

ME1's plot and characters may have been a little better (that's arguable), but in the gameplay and technical aspects is was very... awkward most of the time.

Odd wording seeing as the OP even has things in ME2 he prefers.
Because the game being better design, is arguable? Seeing the largest design improvment, combat, is just copied from other popular shooters.
The execution of aspects of both games need improvement.

Funny the use of "little" as a descriptor for areas ME1 flourishes and "very" for areas ME1 needed improvement.(For some)

#68
Pocketgb

Pocketgb
  • Members
  • 1 466 messages
"ME2 is an indictment of the current 'youth' "...Meaning like, people that just want "bang bang"? Because the people that like the 'bang bang' also don't necessarily like choices and consequences and prefer rush-rush-shoot-shoot-get'em. Not to mention the amount of dialog.

#69
KOKitten

KOKitten
  • Members
  • 230 messages

haberman13 wrote...

Litmus test: ME1 better than ME2?

No: your dumb
Yes: your not dumb

Sorry, it had to be said, this is pure fact baby.


Actually, I find this insulting on two levels.
1)  It's "you're."  The improper use of "your" and "you're" just hurts my brain.  I'm sorry but if someone's trying to make others look/feel less intelligent using the above-quoted test, at least use proper grammar/spelling.  It gives more credence to the argument.   
2)  Oh yeah, and it's just plain rude to call others "dumb" for having an opinion.

But what would I know?  Oh wait, I don't fall into the "youth" demographic so I suppose I'm not under indictment.  Well thank goodness for that, I suppose.  I'm glad I have the wisdom of some years and experience to realize that our world has variety, that everyone's opinions vary, and that each person is deserving of respect.

#70
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

bjdbwea wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

Everything about ME2, except combat and graphics, is worse than ME1.

ME1 music > ME2
ME1 story > ME2
ME1 gear > ME2
ME1 exploration > ME2
ME1 world > ME2
ME1 characters > ME2 (as a whole)
ME1 combat < ME2
ME1 graphics < ME2


This. I completely agree. Thanks for creating this thread. The more there are (from different people of course), the more likely that perhaps these concerns are noticed.


Bioware does not care about the minority, they care about the majority, and majority perfer ME2 over ME. You can't pleese everyone.

#71
InvaderErl

InvaderErl
  • Members
  • 3 884 messages
ME1 music > ME2:

Nah, not really. Great tracks like Suicide Mission/End Run/Illusive Man kill ME1's soundtrack.

ME1 Story > ME2:

Total opinion.

ME1 Gear > ME2 Gear:


Oh yes because I loved carrying 20 Kessler I, I just loved having a million of them and then hitting the omni-gel button for them OVER AND OVER. It was SOOOOOO much fun that I did it as soon as I could or the game would STOP me from playing and make me do it.

ME3 should have a "smart" inventory system, but ME2's set-up was preferable to utter cluster**** that was ME1's.

ME1 Exploration > ME2:



That's so much better than the original content for every sidequest/party member quest that they gave us.

ME 1 characters > ME2 Characters


The only good ME1 characters were Wrex and Garrus. Everyone else was either unlikeable or a walking codex.

Every ME2 character was written excellently and had interesting stories behind them (okay maybe not Jacob but still)

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 avril 2010 - 01:16 .


#72
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

InvaderErl wrote...

ME1 music > ME2:

Nah, not really. Great tracks like Suicide Mission/End Run/Illusive Man kill ME1's soundtrack.

ME1 Story > ME2:

Total opinion.

ME1 Gear > ME2 Gear:


Oh yes because I loved carrying 20 Kessler I, I just loved having a million of them and then hitting the omni-gel button for them OVER AND OVER. It was SOOOOOO much fun that I did it as soon as I could or the game would STOP me from playing and make me do it.

ME3 should have a "smart" inventory system, but ME2's set-up was preferable to utter cluster**** that was ME1's.

ME1 Exploration > ME2:



That's so much better than the original content for every sidequest/party member quest that they gave us.

ME 1 characters > ME2 Characters


The only good ME1 characters were Wrex and Garrus. Everyone else was either unlikeable or a walking codex.

Every ME2 character was written excellently and had interesting stories behind them (okay maybe not Jacob but still)


Posted Image

#73
RyuGuitarFreak

RyuGuitarFreak
  • Members
  • 2 254 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

ME1 music > ME2:

Nah, not really. Great tracks like Suicide Mission/End Run/Illusive Man kill ME1's soundtrack.

ME1 Story > ME2:

Total opinion.

ME1 Gear > ME2 Gear:


Oh yes because I loved carrying 20 Kessler I, I just loved having a million of them and then hitting the omni-gel button for them OVER AND OVER. It was SOOOOOO much fun that I did it as soon as I could or the game would STOP me from playing and make me do it.

ME3 should have a "smart" inventory system, but ME2's set-up was preferable to utter cluster**** that was ME1's.

ME1 Exploration > ME2:



That's so much better than the original content for every sidequest/party member quest that they gave us.

ME 1 characters > ME2 Characters


The only good ME1 characters were Wrex and Garrus. Everyone else was either unlikeable or a walking codex.

Every ME2 character was written excellently and had interesting stories behind them (okay maybe not Jacob but still)


Posted Image

Posted Image

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 24 avril 2010 - 01:54 .


#74
Dudeman315

Dudeman315
  • Members
  • 240 messages
ME1 music = ME2
ME1 story > ME2 --Save galaxy vs talk show host(all the parenting issues)
ME1 gear > ME2
ME1 exploration > ME2
ME1 world > ME2
ME1 characters > ME2 (as a whole)
ME1 combat = ME2
ME1 graphics

And every single person that is interactable or not IS a character. Quarian talking about dating life = character.
Then again combat is the LAST reason I'd play an rpg ever.

Modifié par Dudeman315, 24 avril 2010 - 01:55 .


#75
SithLordExarKun

SithLordExarKun
  • Members
  • 2 071 messages

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 24 avril 2010 - 02:08 .