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[Sarah1281]

The DA:O Official Collector's Edition Hardbound Walkthrough states your attributes and skills do affect dialogue options. Written by Mike Searle for your information since you seem to have a hard on for calling me a liar.

I'm not calling you a liar. I'm asking how your cunning skills have anything to do with Leliana stealing the Urn. Why would she do that anyway?



This is what the epilogues for the Urn say:

If The Warden allowed Brother Genitivi to mount an expedition to the Urn, but did not kill the High Dragon, the Urn disappears without a trace and falls into myth once more.

If The Warden allowed Brother Genitivi to mount an expedition to the Urn, and killed the High Dragon, the temple becomes a mecca for pilgrims.

If The Warden killed Brother Genitivi, and killed the High Dragon, rumours abound about the Urn of Ashes involvement in curing Arl Eamon, and eventually pilgrimage is allowed.

If The Warden killed Brother Genitivi, but did not kill the High Dragon, the Chantry announces the discovery of the ashes, but the dragon will eventually get tired of pilgrims and will go on a rampage that will destroy the temple and possibly the ashes, as they are never found, while the dragon looks for a new haven.

If The Warden defiled the Sacred Ashes for Kolgrim, Brother Genitivi announces discovery of the Ashes, drawing enormous attention from scholars. Expeditions to the ruins found nothing and several years later his work is declared fiction. He commits suicide. The Dragon appears by winter, rampaging across the countryside, rumors are heard of it being worshiped as Andraste by cultists, efforts to find the lair or the ashes ultimately fail as the cultists rapidly gain converts.

Does the epilogue actually SAY Leliana took it? If not, roleplay that the ashes were stolen by her all you want to even though it's horribly OOC and she wants pilgrims to be able to come but it's not what happened. If your HN wants to be a conspiracy nut who thinks that Anora's out to kill her, the world revolves around her special Cousland-ness, or the Archdemon was actually summoned by Chantry-controlle blood mages in order to convert more people, that does not mean it has any basis in reality and saying 'it's how I roleplay' won't change that.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Your coresion skill, willpower, and cunning affects dialogue options that you can get, according to the collector's edition walkthrough.  It's your mind over the NPC's. The higher your skills with willpower you can get the npc to reveal more for their quest and personal information. The walkthrough for willpower under attributes reads: Contributes to mental resistance. Cunning affects persuasion dialogue choices. Strength helps with physical resistance and initimidation of a person you are questioning in the game for information (pg 16 of this walkthrough).

In my first playthrough I never got Sten's or Wynne's quest because I didn't have the high attributes or willpower nor cunning to get them to talk, not until I read this section of the walkthrough.  This is why Sten tells you you have a weak mind.  When you increase coresion, cunning, willpower, and strength he stops saying that.


No, his epilogue card said the urn was stolen by someone, we assumed it was Lelianna since she was involved with the chantry and her being a bard, hired killer, and thief.  Zev could have done it too. I don't know what his skills and attributes were for that game.  He takes Lelianna with him since he plays a male warden warrior all the time.  He hates Zev so he hardly takes him.  I'm sure it was his dead warden that got the epilogue save.  He also got Bella to kiss him in front of Morrigan and Leliana and he won't tell me how he did that.

I take Zev alot and got the dialogue with him saying the urn was a nice vase and it would look good in his home in Antiva.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 04:33 .

[Kmead15]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Your coresion skill, willpower, and cunning affects dialogue options that you can get. At least in the collector's edition. It's your mind over the NPC's. The higher your skills with willpower you can get the npc to reveal more for their quest and personal information. The walkthrough for willpower under attributes reads: Contributes to mental resistance. Cunning affects persuasion dialogue choices. Strength helps with physical resistance and initimidation of a person you are questioning in the game for information. In my first playthrough I never got Sten's or Wynnes quest because I didn't have the high attributes or willpower nor cunning to get them to talk. Page 16 in this walkthrough.

I have the collector's edition for the PC too. Unless your game is vastly different than mine, you don't need high attributes to get Wynne or Sten's quest. More cunning/strength affects whether or not persuade/intimidation choices work, not if they're available. There are conversation options only available for characters with high cunning or willpower, but they are very rare. 

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Kmead15 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Your coresion skill, willpower, and cunning affects dialogue options that you can get. At least in the collector's edition. It's your mind over the NPC's. The higher your skills with willpower you can get the npc to reveal more for their quest and personal information. The walkthrough for willpower under attributes reads: Contributes to mental resistance. Cunning affects persuasion dialogue choices. Strength helps with physical resistance and initimidation of a person you are questioning in the game for information. In my first playthrough I never got Sten's or Wynnes quest because I didn't have the high attributes or willpower nor cunning to get them to talk. Page 16 in this walkthrough.

I have the collector's edition for the PC too. Unless your game is vastly different than mine, you don't need high attributes to get Wynne or Sten's quest. More cunning/strength affects whether or not persuade/intimidation choices work, not if they're available. There are conversation options only available for characters with high cunning or willpower, but they are very rare. 

I'm just stating what the offical walkthrough guide said.  This is why you see dialogue choices with cunning and persuasion options. Funny, but I get those different dialogues all the time.  I started reading this book more and the advice and I started having better playthoughs with different dialogue options.  I got a different chat with Sten this last playthrough because I was trying to see how far I could get before Lothering was destroyed.  I left Sten in Lothering and went to Denerim to do quests until I leveled up to get the third skill of corecion.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 03:55 .

[Kmead15]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Your coresion skill, willpower, and cunning affects dialogue options that you can get. At least in the collector's edition. It's your mind over the NPC's. The higher your skills with willpower you can get the npc to reveal more for their quest and personal information. The walkthrough for willpower under attributes reads: Contributes to mental resistance. Cunning affects persuasion dialogue choices. Strength helps with physical resistance and initimidation of a person you are questioning in the game for information. In my first playthrough I never got Sten's or Wynnes quest because I didn't have the high attributes or willpower nor cunning to get them to talk. Page 16 in this walkthrough.

I have the collector's edition for the PC too. Unless your game is vastly different than mine, you don't need high attributes to get Wynne or Sten's quest. More cunning/strength affects whether or not persuade/intimidation choices work, not if they're available. There are conversation options only available for characters with high cunning or willpower, but they are very rare. 

I'm just stating what the offical walkthrough guide said.  This is why you see dialogue choices with cunning and persuasion options. Funny, but I get those different dialogues all the time.  I started reading this book more and the advice and I started having better playthoughs with different dialogue options.

Oh, persuasion isn't rare at all. It's the options that only appear for characters with high cunning/willpower that don't show up so often.

[ejoslin]

Sten... I just unlock his cage and don't worry about the priest. It's fun taking him into the chantry and being yelled at by everyone!



You do get different options occasionally based on attributes, but those usually just add more flavor to the game by adding a few additional dialog choices. Most quests have more than one way to solve them as well.



Persuade checks aren't rare -- and yeh, it's a good idea maxing it out as soon as possible. Though sometimes it's fun playing with no persuade skills just to see the alternative dialogs.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

They might not be showing up for you, but they are showing up for me because of my build with skills, and all attributes. What information do you want your character to learn. There was a person on this site who took the time to write out hidden dialogue with all of your party members if your build is right. It's not just cunning/willpower but all of your attributes and skills combined and how you build your wardenm which opens those dialogues.

[ejoslin]

I know most of the dialogs. I just go into the toolset. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying that they don't really influence the way quests turn out and such.

That's not to be confused with persuade checks, which often do have an effect on at least one outcome, or how your party members feel about your choices.

Edit: That is, higher attributes and skills sometimes make additional dialogs show up.  These usually don't have much of an influence on the game. 

English may be my first language, but I certainly don't speak it well late at night!

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 04:10 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I'll have to try that with Sten and the chantry, lol. Great idea. When she finally released him after Alistair intervened, I robbed everyone. I don't think I've tried to unlock his cage before. I took the steal skill instead of any coresion skill that playthrough in the beginning. Made a difference in my dialogue. I also didn't get the matron quest the healh potions for robbing everyone in the chantry over Sten. I had a bad reputation at that point and I laughed. I had to agree with Morrigan over that one, the chantry folks are idiots. I gave her 30 silver and she till wouldn't release him.

I also robbed alot of people that playthrough and all of your allies show up with a random encounter to give you payback.  I got some type of token in my backpack after robbing templars in the game.  It was a iron chariot I think.  The walkthough also discribes these events on random encounters.  I got the chariot after I robbed the head templar at the tower.  The walkthrough says someone slips it into your pack.  This game is the one I got nearly to level 25 with.  I haven't been able to do it since.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 04:52 .

[Sarah1281]

Just take Leliana with you and she'll immediately agree to let her go, no tithe or persuade necessary.

[ejoslin]

Leliana should have high enough lock pick skill to get Sten out.

OOOOR what Sarah says.  I never go that route for some reason.  

Edit: What makes the companions give their personal quests (aside from Zevran) is your approval with them.  Higher approval opens up dialog choices.  Leliana's, Alistair's, and Shale's also involve events, but ultimately, it's still approval that will even have them talk about it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 04:19 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I never take Leliana, I can't stand her, I play as a rogue the most. I normally take my original party through Lothering. Alistair, my dog, Morrigan, and me.   My son also gets a better build and approval  and he ends up selling most of his companions gifts for gold.  He is better at this than I am.  I'm getting better, I sold a couple of pieces of Morrigan's jewerly this last playthrough. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 04:45 .

[ejoslin]

 It's an odd thing...  There is at least one time that I know of that the HNF is acknowledged as Tyrena of Highever before the ending, outright (as in under a particular circumstance she calls herself the Tyrena of Highever there and no one disputes it) so I think that is a bit of a moot point.  Howe is dead by the time the landsmeet rolls around, most of the nobles you have spoken with seem to support the Couslands getting their lands back.

However, the Cousland cannot make a claim by him or herself, but does make the claim of either Alistair or Anora stronger I suppose (though metagame knowledge says it really does make no difference of course).  Anora's claim is stronger because she's THERE, ruling the country.  

ANYWAY, Maker save the future queen. Well, that was Morrigan, actually. Just another royal scandal 

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 05:04 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

ejoslin wrote...

 It's an odd thing...  There is at least one time that I know of that the HNF is acknowledged as Tyrena of Highever before the ending, outright (as in under a particular circumstance she calls herself the Tyrena of Highever there and no one disputes it) so I think that is a bit of a moot point.  Howe is dead by the time the landsmeet rolls around, most of the nobles you have spoken with seem to support the Couslands getting their lands back.

However, the Cousland cannot make a claim by him or herself, but does make the claim of either Alistair or Anora stronger I suppose (though metagame knowledge says it really does make no difference of course).  Anora's claim is stronger because she's THERE, ruling the country.  

ANYWAY, god save the future queen. Well, that was Morrigan, actually. Just another royal scandal 

I think Sir Perth is the one who asks HNF her title to address her before village Redcliffe battle.  I think it really comes down to your build and how you view the lore.  Everyone is different in how they view it.  Well heck even Morrigan might have a claim on two accounts.  Demon child and is Maric her daddy?  Ewww.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 04:59 .

[ejoslin]

I'm talking about at the Landsmeet, there's a certain circumstance where you can say straight out, "I'm the Tyrena of Highever." There are a couple times before as well, when talking to various nobles (Not Ser Perth -- he's not a noble). You can also bring it up to Ser Perth and to Wynne actually that your father was Teyrn of Highever.

As far as party approval, I don't find that much of an issue. It's fun figuring it out, though. And I think the game is a lot more fun if you don't go for maximum approval.

Edit: I think I should write a guide to dragon age!  Bleh, who am I kidding.  I can't even write a coherent paragraph.

I don't think Morrigan has any interest in the throne, but the God baby I think will have its own role to play.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 05:04 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I've got the dialogue before with Sir Perth and Wynne but never at the Landsmeet. I've never heard it in my playthroughs.   Alistair also knows your Bryce Couslands daughter when he meets you the first time at Ostagar and so does Calian and Loghain.  There is also an option when Loghain comes to Eamon's Estate with Howe and Howe rubs your nose in it that he is now the Teynir Of Highever, since he murdered your family.  Is this what you are thinking of. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 05:13 .

[Sarah1281]

I don't think Morrigan has any interest in the throne, but the God baby I think will have its own role to play.

If it's a mage it won't be eligible, though.

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, of course, the Dwarven Assembly is what happens when they can choose ANYONE.

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think Morrigan has any interest in the throne, but the God baby I think will have its own role to play.

If it's a mage it won't be eligible, though.

Oh, not as king or queen of Ferelden.  It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of that story line.  It would be a shame for it to go away.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 05:10 .

[Willowhugger]

I think a large portion of the issue also boils down to the fact that people who seize the throne are rarely seizing it for themselves, in hereditary nobility at least.  You're seizing it for your kids.  If you marry Anora or Alistair, then really the whole thing is moot because your child is going to be the one who is monarch of Fereldan when things are over.

Anora is actually a good ticket to the throne even if you don't like her, since if she's barren like Eamon implies then the Couslands will likely inherit.

[ejoslin]

Willowhugger wrote...

I think a large portion of the issue also boils down to the fact that people who seize the throne are rarely seizing it for themselves, in hereditary nobility at least.  You're seizing it for your kids.  If you marry Anora or Alistair, then really the whole thing is moot because your child is going to be the one who is monarch of Fereldan when things are over.

Anora is actually a good ticket to the throne even if you don't like her, since if she's barren like Eamon implies then the Couslands will likely inherit.

Child?  Any child my Cousland has will not be a Theirin.  That just can't happen!

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

ejoslin wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

I think a large portion of the issue also boils down to the fact that people who seize the throne are rarely seizing it for themselves, in hereditary nobility at least.  You're seizing it for your kids.  If you marry Anora or Alistair, then really the whole thing is moot because your child is going to be the one who is monarch of Fereldan when things are over.

Anora is actually a good ticket to the throne even if you don't like her, since if she's barren like Eamon implies then the Couslands will likely inherit.

Child?  Any child my Cousland has will not be a Theirin.  That just can't happen!

Ah sweet Darrien or Zev.  I tried Sten but he didn't understand the word flirt or so he claimed.  Alistair also forces you to choose if you have him and Zev in love with you.  I got the dialogue after Zev rubs Alistairs nose in it on bastards of Antiva being rulers of that country.  Hmmmm, maybe Zev had other plans for you and the crows.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 05:26 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm talking about at the Landsmeet, there's a certain circumstance where you can say straight out, "I'm the Tyrena of Highever."

You can??

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm talking about at the Landsmeet, there's a certain circumstance where you can say straight out, "I'm the Tyrena of Highever."

You can??

Isn't that when you meat up with Loghain and Howe at Eamon's estate and then they're all like 'No, Howe is' and you're forced to just let that go?

[Arundor]

During the Landsmeet if a HNF who is not romancing Alistair tries to marry him but fails the persuade check, Alistair will say: "What? No, you're joking. You have to be joking."

The HNF can reply: "I'm Teyrna of Highever. It's a good political match."

Modifié par Arundor, 05 mai 2010 - 05:58 .