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[ejoslin]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

I think a large portion of the issue also boils down to the fact that people who seize the throne are rarely seizing it for themselves, in hereditary nobility at least.  You're seizing it for your kids.  If you marry Anora or Alistair, then really the whole thing is moot because your child is going to be the one who is monarch of Fereldan when things are over.

Anora is actually a good ticket to the throne even if you don't like her, since if she's barren like Eamon implies then the Couslands will likely inherit.

Child?  Any child my Cousland has will not be a Theirin.  That just can't happen!

Ah sweet Darrien or Zev.  I tried Sten but he didn't understand the word flirt or so he claimed.  Alistair also forces you to choose if you have him and Zev in love with you.  I got the dialogue after Zev rubs Alistairs nose in it on bastards of Antiva being rulers of that country.  Hmmmm, maybe Zev had other plans for you and the crows.

Can't be Dairran's child (he's very dead, and the HNF did not get pregnant that night), but you can marry Alistair for political reasons and stay with Zev.  You just can't have both adore or love you.  That has nothing to do with a marriage to the king!  

And Arundor,  yes, that's what I was talking about.

Edit: If you actually complete the romance with Zevran, ummmm, yeh.  Doesn't end up quite how you'd expect. However, on the consoles and unmodded PCs, there is a really bad bug at the end   You get the wrong dialog at the gates as his friend or his lover!

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 02:33 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Last time I checked it can happen with just one go, look what happens to Alistair or the HNM.  Same thing could happen to HNF if they do the Darrien quest to sleep with him before the battle at Highever, which I always do.   

Your not a warden at this point and could get pregnant more easily. 

I've never done the political marriage plot and always dump Zevran and keep him around as a friend.  I'll have to play it that way sometime. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 05 mai 2010 - 07:48 .

[Cuddlezarro]

except the it still cant be Dairren because if he got you pregnant you would have given birth before the end of the game since the game take over a year ingame time (oh and Lol at a heavily pregnant woman fighting)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 05 mai 2010 - 07:56 .

[Sarah1281]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Last time I checked it can happen with just one go, look what happens to Alistair or the HNM.  Same thing could happen to HNF if they do the Darrien quest to sleep with him before the battle at Highever, which I always do.   

Your not a warden at this point and could get pregnant more easily. 

I've never done the political marriage plot and always dump Zevran and keep him around as a friend.  I'll have to play it that way sometime. 

But it doesn't happen. The entire game takes about a year and pregnancies take less than that. If you found out you were pregnant you might be forced to fight anyway at first (like all those 'I got pregnant before Alistair dumped me at the Landsmeet' fics) but once you get futher along you can't fight. Not to mention that in your scenario the baby would have been born already by the time Alistair is on the throne and so it couldn't be a legitimate heir. Seriously, if she were pregnant she would probably have to stay in camp or go find someplace safe rather than trekking through zombie-infested ruins and the Deep Roads...the situation is desperate, yes, but a heavily pregnant woman is more of a liability in combat than anything else.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 05 mai 2010 - 08:03 .

[ejoslin]

Morrigan's ritual had magic involved. As CZ says, there would have been a baby born in the treaty gathering time since the game seems to take a year. Even if it were a shorter period of time, there would be signs of pregnancy by the end.

Edit: Sarah makes excellent points as well.

However, the Cousland/Arainai scenario is not out of the question.  But very unlikely!  I like that possibility though.

Second edit: A slight correction to a previous post -- you can't have Alistair adore or love your warden if you're marrying him and wanting to stay with Zevran.  If Zevran isn't at least 71+ adore, he leaves.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 08:02 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Don't forget Wynne teases Alistair on where babies come from after the HNF and him start a relationship and Leliana makes the remark on your glowing......is it the taint or something else! We do know that one Grey Warden did have a child which was Fiona.



Yes, I forgot it takes nearly a year to get your army gathered, so it can't be sweet darrien.

[Sarah1281]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Don't forget Wynne teases Alistair on where babies come from after the HNF and him start a relationship and Leliana makes the remark on your glowing......is it the taint or something else! We do know that one Grey Warden did have a child which was Fiona.

Yes, I forgot it takes nearly a year to get your army gathered, so it can't be sweet darrien.

Fiona's pregnancy was seen as a miracle so they really don't have a high chance of having kids. I'm not sure what Wynne teasing Alistair or Leliana mentioning they like happy have to do with anything as the tent scene means we already know they're having sex. Two Grey Wardens can't have a child by normal means so unless they go explore some non-normal avenues there won't be a Theirin/Cousland child.

[jpdipity]

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: A slight correction to a previous post -- you can't have Alistair adore or love your warden if you're marrying him and wanting to stay with Zevran.  If Zevran isn't at least 71+ adore, he leaves.  

Actually, you can.  If you break up with Zevran for Alistair, but leave some flirt dialogue options, you can re-initiate the romance with Zevran.  You can bed him during that conversation, but your PC cannot initiate another conversation after that or the he'll force the PC to choose again.  Alistair won't bring up Zev after the first break-up.

I had my mage & a HN romance both that way.  They stayed as Alistair's mistress and then Zevran stayed with her at court.  Zevran was not in love; so, no earring, but the epilogue cards had both still as lovers.

[Sarah1281]

That's probably just a bug becaus Zevran's really not happy sharing the Warden's affections, which is why you have to choose in the first place.

[jpdipity]

Sarah1281 wrote...

That's probably just a bug becaus Zevran's really not happy sharing the Warden's affections, which is why you have to choose in the first place.

It's not a bug. 

You are supposed to get 2 chances with Zevran and, I believe, Leliana's romances.  He will force you to choose again if you talk to him, but he can't do so unless you talk to him.  So, it is not a bug, but the PC simply not following through with the necessary steps to initiate the next stage of the romance.  You can't get love from Zev in this scenario because you don't go to the next stage.

[Sarah1281]

jpdipity wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

That's probably just a bug becaus Zevran's really not happy sharing the Warden's affections, which is why you have to choose in the first place.

It's not a bug. 

You are supposed to get 2 chances with Zevran and, I believe, Leliana's romances.  He will force you to choose again if you talk to him, but he can't do so unless you talk to him.  So, it is not a bug, but the PC simply not following through with the necessary steps to initiate the next stage of the romance.  You can't get love from Zev in this scenario because you don't go to the next stage.

No, I mean Zevran's not supposed to stick around if you're in a relationship with Alistair, particularly if you marry him or become his mistress. That you can get away with successfuly two-timing him by never speaking to him again isn't how the story would actually play out, it's just game mechanics.

[ejoslin]

jpdipity wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: A slight correction to a previous post -- you can't have Alistair adore or love your warden if you're marrying him and wanting to stay with Zevran.  If Zevran isn't at least 71+ adore, he leaves.  

Actually, you can.  If you break up with Zevran for Alistair, but leave some flirt dialogue options, you can re-initiate the romance with Zevran.  You can bed him during that conversation, but your PC cannot initiate another conversation after that or the he'll force the PC to choose again.  Alistair won't bring up Zev after the first break-up.

I had my mage & a HN romance both that way.  They stayed as Alistair's mistress and then Zevran stayed with her at court.  Zevran was not in love; so, no earring, but the epilogue cards had both still as lovers.

It's not exactly a bug, but you also don't finish the romance with Zevran.  No earring, no possible proposal, no declaration of feelings -- you're missing the best part of the romance, which cannot be done when there's a romance going with Alistair.

Edit: And much really depends on how you break up with Zevran.  With most options, the romance is cut off permanently.  Some, they're not.  There's not a counter regarding this.

second edit:  I was going under the assumption that people actually talk to the love interest.  So here is what I was trying to say: You need to initiate the conversation, but IF you do, IF you're marrying Alistair/Anora, Zevran will leave if his approval level is before adore (Alistair's approval is irrelevant, and with Anora it's not an issue).  IF both are above 71+ and romanced, Zevran will force you to choose before discussing the upcoming wedding.  IF Alistair is below 71+ or not in a romance with the warden (or if the warden is marrying Anora), if Zevran is above 71+ (adore) you can keep the romance going despite the upcoming marriage.  

I hope that's more clear.   If you never talk to your love interests, you can end up with them all at 100 (Love).  But that's no fun!   I hope this doesn't sound snarky.  I don't mean it that way at all.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 mai 2010 - 05:09 .