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[Raiil]

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? There's no reason to be that rude or condenscending. And they're not entirely incorrect either. If all heridetary rulers were to die out, the next reasonable choice to step onto the plate is the Teryn. They have more practise ruling a large amount of land than Joe Bann. It's not a given but it's one that has merit, since we can't conclusively prove it false.

[fongiel24]

Ferelden has no real line of succession. Orlais may resemble the old medieval/renaissance monarchies of Europe, but in Ferelden you only rule by the consent of the nobility because you are personally popular or competent enough to convince them you can be a good ruler. Having Theirin blood provides a major bonus in convincing the nobility because of the legendary rule of Calenhad but you still have to convince them you are worthy of the throne. In the event of a major succession crisis like in DA:O, if no candidate can prove their superiority, it is likely that the country would degenerate back into independent teyrnirs/bannorns/arldoms like the Free Marches.

Anora already has a well-established reputation as a competent administrator and diplomat, regardless of what your personal bias may be. She is respected by foreign monarchs (Empress Celene calls her a solitary rose among the brambles), well-respected by the nobility, well-liked by the people, and she possesses formidable intellect as well as "the best education money can buy" (in Eamon's words). The only advantage a human noble warden has is your blood is technically "bluer" than hers, and in this case Alistair's blood trumps yours. Your accomplishments to this point, although undeniably impressive, are all strongly dependent on your military prowess, not your political acumen and in any case are not widely known. The dwarves are a very insular society that allows few outside observers, the Dalish are social outcasts probably comparable to the gypsies in Europe in the Middle Ages, and the mages are all locked in a tower. Even if Ferelden was not in the middle of a civil war and had its own version of CNN to keep everyone up to date on recent events, I doubt news of your accomplishments would get very far.

[thegreateski]

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

[Remaix]

Hm... so that's ALL it takes to become a ruler, then? If you will excuse me, for a moment...
*goes on a killing spree*
*returns*
There. So when do I get to become queen? I think I stabbed enough people by now to prove I'm good at it. (Seriously, someone who is good at killing does not a ruler make)

Modifié par Remaix, 25 avril 2010 - 06:50 .

[Lady Jess]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ferelden has no real line of succession. Orlais may resemble the old medieval/renaissance monarchies of Europe, but in Ferelden you only rule by the consent of the nobility because you are personally popular or competent enough to convince them you can be a good ruler. Having Theirin blood provides a major bonus in convincing the nobility because of the legendary rule of Calenhad but you still have to convince them you are worthy of the throne. In the event of a major succession crisis like in DA:O, if no candidate can prove their superiority, it is likely that the country would degenerate back into independent teyrnirs/bannorns/arldoms like the Free Marches.

Anora already has a well-established reputation as a competent administrator and diplomat, regardless of what your personal bias may be. She is respected by foreign monarchs (Empress Celene calls her a solitary rose among the brambles), well-respected by the nobility, well-liked by the people, and she possesses formidable intellect as well as "the best education money can buy" (in Eamon's words). The only advantage a human noble warden has is your blood is technically "bluer" than hers, and in this case Alistair's blood trumps yours. Your accomplishments to this point, although undeniably impressive, are all strongly dependent on your military prowess, not your political acumen and in any case are not widely known. The dwarves are a very insular society that allows few outside observers, the Dalish are social outcasts probably comparable to the gypsies in Europe in the Middle Ages, and the mages are all locked in a tower. Even if Ferelden was not in the middle of a civil war and had its own version of CNN to keep everyone up to date on recent events, I doubt news of your accomplishments would get very far.

You're also the child of a powerful Teyrn, who would presumably have groomed his children to be ready to take his place. You may have been born with only the blood but you were bred with the knowledge, and training of what that blood would entail.

[westiex9]

Remaix wrote...

Hm... so that's ALL it takes to become a ruler, then? If you will excuse me, for a moment...
*goes on a killing spree*
*returns*
There. So when do I get to become queen? I think I stabbed enough people by now to prove I'm good at it. (Seriously, someone who is good at killing does not a ruler make)

Ghengis khan would disagree!!

[fongiel24]

It is possible you were bequeathed with an education and the grooming to prepare you for the responsibility of rule but as of the Landsmeet, you have had no opportunity to display your ability to rule or navigate the politics of the Denerim court. Depending on how you RP your HN, they could very well have the personal attributes as well to be a superior ruler but with no experience to point to, how does the Landsmeet know that? Anora by comparison not only has education and grooming but also several years of competent administration (as perceived by the people of Ferelden) to point to as the rationale for selecting her as monarch.

[Xandurpein]

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

The point is that if the King dies he is succeded by his oldest legitimate son (or daughter depending on tradition). In the absense of legitimate children, a crown would be passed to someone else of the Kings family, first priority being a sibling. If there is no legitimate heir in the King's family at all (illegitimate bastards don't count) then it really stops being a question of bloodlines and becomes a political decision. This is why there is no clear succession after Cailan's death (there is no legitimate heir) and becomes a matter of politics, where Loghain, Anora and Eamon (on behalf of Alistair) all begin to maneuver to get their bid accpeted.

There is no legal obstacles for either a Cousland or Howe to make a personal bid for the crown after Cailan's death, but there is extremely unlikely that they can get enough political support for such a move, so it's pointless anyway. Loghain, Anora and Eamon are the persons with enough political clout and prestige to make a bid for the Crown stick. Bryce Cousland might concievably have had it too, if he had lived (we really know to little to be sure), but the PC and Fergus do not have that prestige, neither does Howe.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 25 avril 2010 - 09:19 .

[Xandurpein]

fongiel24 wrote...

It is possible you were bequeathed with an education and the grooming to prepare you for the responsibility of rule but as of the Landsmeet, you have had no opportunity to display your ability to rule or navigate the politics of the Denerim court. Depending on how you RP your HN, they could very well have the personal attributes as well to be a superior ruler but with no experience to point to, how does the Landsmeet know that? Anora by comparison not only has education and grooming but also several years of competent administration (as perceived by the people of Ferelden) to point to as the rationale for selecting her as monarch.

It is also highly probably that the Landsmeet is a bit wary of putting another war hero on the throne, so shortly after Loghain's regency.

[Bratt1204]

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? There's no reason to be that rude or condenscending. And they're not entirely incorrect either. If all heridetary rulers were to die out, the next reasonable choice to step onto the plate is the Teryn. They have more practise ruling a large amount of land than Joe Bann. It's not a given but it's one that has merit, since we can't conclusively prove it false.

Yes, seriously. I was not being rude or condescending, simply blunt and making an honest observation.

DA is supposedly, loosely based on 13th Century England - a hereditary Feudal system not a Tanistry


Stating that Anora automatically assumes the Throne as Queen regnant upon the death of her husband Cailin is absolutely ludicrous.

Anora does not become Queen regnant upon the passing of the current Monarch - her father Loghain, is attempting to seize the Throne.

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Next in line based on noble hierarchy: The most important, oldest Noble family the Cousland male heirs followed by females, then to the lesser (newer) Nobles - Loghain Mac Tir and so on. That may even be in question to their newly acquired 'noble' title. Most likely, next in line of succession would be Eamon or Teagan.

Anora's father is of common birth, thus she has no noble blood herself. 

It is beyond imagination that a kingdom would allow the daughter of an executed treasonous, traitor to rule; It would not happen. However this is a game, after-all.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 25 avril 2010 - 03:46 .

[Lady Jess]

fongiel24 wrote...

It is possible you were bequeathed with an education and the grooming to prepare you for the responsibility of rule but as of the Landsmeet, you have had no opportunity to display your ability to rule or navigate the politics of the Denerim court. Depending on how you RP your HN, they could very well have the personal attributes as well to be a superior ruler but with no experience to point to, how does the Landsmeet know that? Anora by comparison not only has education and grooming but also several years of competent administration (as perceived by the people of Ferelden) to point to as the rationale for selecting her as monarch.

You didn't just apawn from a log as the bligh approached it. Your family, and you are known in noble circles. If they don't know of YOUR details specificially, they family name alone has a very strong reputation in Ferelden, and in noble circles, much like the name...Theirin. Noone at that point knows if Alistair can do this job either, but he's of Theirin blood, and gets the benefit of his family name.

[Bratt1204]

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

Prove yourself correct with some sort of legitimate argument based on something factual instead of fabrication.

[Bratt1204]

Xandurpein wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

It is possible you were bequeathed with an education and the grooming to prepare you for the responsibility of rule but as of the Landsmeet, you have had no opportunity to display your ability to rule or navigate the politics of the Denerim court. Depending on how you RP your HN, they could very well have the personal attributes as well to be a superior ruler but with no experience to point to, how does the Landsmeet know that? Anora by comparison not only has education and grooming but also several years of competent administration (as perceived by the people of Ferelden) to point to as the rationale for selecting her as monarch.

It is also highly probably that the Landsmeet is a bit wary of putting another war hero on the throne, so shortly after Loghain's regency.

Loghain was attempting to seize the throne, he declared himself regent, which is meaningless. Having incapacitated every powerful noble family in Feredlen that could militarily appose him, it is tantamount to a military coup. He should be executed for his crimes along with his demon-spawn Anora.

[Ramante]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Royal Bastards in Context

    Succession to the English royal throne in the middle ages was often a contentious affair. Important factors to consider in a royal candidate were familial links to the previous king, amount of  support from the noble class, personal power, and leadership ability. In addition, it was also important that the claimant be of legitimate birth.
Accusations of illegitimacy were sometimes used by rivals to smear a royal candidate, and a proven bastard had little chance of wearing the crown, unless he was named William the Conqueror.


Found this, consistent with your timeframe (13th Century).
Reading this I would say that Alistair has little chance of becoming King on his own. :/

Edit: because format hates me.

Modifié par Ramante, 25 avril 2010 - 04:04 .

[Bratt1204]

Ramante wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Royal Bastards in Context

    Succession to the English royal throne in the middle ages was often a contentious affair. Important factors to consider in a royal candidate were familial links to the previous king, amount of  support from the noble class, personal power, and leadership ability. In addition, it was also important that the claimant be of legitimate birth.
Accusations of illegitimacy were sometimes used by rivals to smear a royal candidate, and a proven bastard had little chance of wearing the crown, unless he was named William the Conqueror.


Found this, consistent with your timeframe (13th Century).
Reading this I would say that Alistair has little chance of becoming King on his own. :/

Edit: because format hates me.

Only if there are no other legitimate births, would this be so.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 25 avril 2010 - 04:55 .

[Xandurpein]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Royal Bastards in Context

    Succession to the English royal throne in the middle ages was often a contentious affair. Important factors to consider in a royal candidate were familial links to the previous king, amount of  support from the noble class, personal power, and leadership ability. In addition, it was also important that the claimant be of legitimate birth.
Accusations of illegitimacy were sometimes used by rivals to smear a royal candidate, and a proven bastard had little chance of wearing the crown, unless he was named William the Conqueror.


Found this, consistent with your timeframe (13th Century).
Reading this I would say that Alistair has little chance of becoming King on his own. :/

Edit: because format hates me.

Only if there are no other legitimate births, would this be so.

Alistair has absolutly no chance at all to become King on his own. Legally he is NOT an heir, up until the Landsmeet decides to make him one. You must understand the crucial difference between a legitimate bastard (i.e. the father officially admits to being the father) and an illegitimate bastard. Maric never officially aknowledged that he was Alistairs father, so Alistair is an illegitimate bastard.

Legally Alistair is just another commoner. A Landsmeet can decide to give Alistair status as legitimate bastard. This is hardly something lightly done and it's almost impossible to see how Alistair could do it without very strong political backing from a major faction like the player and Arl Eamon, coupled with a major political crisis like in the Game.

William the Conqueror was a legitimate bastard. His father the Duke of Normandy had no male heirs so he publically aknoledged William as his son, making him legible as heir. Even William the Conqeror's case was highly unusual. That an illegitemate bastard son of a servant could, on his own, get a Landsmeet ot make him King is almost impossible.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 25 avril 2010 - 07:35 .

[Raiil]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? There's no reason to be that rude or condenscending. And they're not entirely incorrect either. If all heridetary rulers were to die out, the next reasonable choice to step onto the plate is the Teryn. They have more practise ruling a large amount of land than Joe Bann. It's not a given but it's one that has merit, since we can't conclusively prove it false.

Yes, seriously. I was not being rude or condescending, simply blunt and making an honest observation.

DA is supposedly, loosely based on 13th Century England - a hereditary Feudal system not a Tanistry


Stating that Anora automatically assumes the Throne as Queen regnant upon the death of her husband Cailin is absolutely ludicrous.

Anora does not become Queen regnant upon the passing of the current Monarch - her father Loghain, is attempting to seize the Throne.

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Next in line based on noble hierarchy: The most important, oldest Noble family the Cousland male heirs followed by females, then to the lesser (newer) Nobles - Loghain Mac Tir and so on. That may even be in question to their newly acquired 'noble' title. Most likely, next in line of succession would be Eamon or Teagan.

Anora's father is of common birth, thus she has no noble blood herself. 

It is beyond imagination that a kingdom would allow the daughter of an executed treasonous, traitor to rule; It would not happen. However this is a game, after-all.

'You have no idea what you're talking about' is rude, not blunt. 'That's not how it works' is blunt.


I never said that Anora becomes regnant at Cailan's death. I clearly stated that she is regent due to a power vacuum. Unless someone is specifically named when a ruler is absent, their spouse picks up the slack.


And whether people like to acknowledge it or not, Anora is nobility. She's new nobility, new blood, but she was born the daughter of a Teryn, not the daughter of a farmer. Her father was elevated before her birth. No noble line is noble from the beginning- they are lifted to that position at some point, either by conquering it or beling elevated.

[Xandurpein]

What many people seems to miss is that the very fact that there is a possibility to choose to back either Alistair or Anora (or both) is due to the fact that none of them has a clear legititmate claim. When Cailan dies there are no legitimate heirs. So it has to be solved by politics.

[Bratt1204]

Xandurpein wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Royal Bastards in Context

    Succession to the English royal throne in the middle ages was often a contentious affair. Important factors to consider in a royal candidate were familial links to the previous king, amount of  support from the noble class, personal power, and leadership ability. In addition, it was also important that the claimant be of legitimate birth.
Accusations of illegitimacy were sometimes used by rivals to smear a royal candidate, and a proven bastard had little chance of wearing the crown, unless he was named William the Conqueror.


Found this, consistent with your timeframe (13th Century).
Reading this I would say that Alistair has little chance of becoming King on his own. :/

Edit: because format hates me.

Only if there are no other legitimate births, would this be so.

Alistair has absolutly no chance at all to become King on his own. Legally he is NOT an heir, up until the Landsmeet decides to make him one. You must understand the crucial difference between a legitimate bastard (i.e. the father officially admits to being the father) and an illegitimate bastard. Maric never officially aknowledged that he was Alistairs father, so Alistair is an illegitimate bastard.

Legally Alistair is just another commoner. A Landsmeet can decide to give Alistair status as legitimate bastard. This is hardly something lightly done and it's almost impossible to see how Alistair could do it without very strong political backing from a major faction like the player and Arl Eamon, coupled with a major political crisis like in the Game.

William the Conqueror was a legitimate bastard. His father the Duke of Normandy had no male heirs so he publically aknoledged William as his son, making him legible as heir. Even William the Conqeror's case was highly unusual. That an illegitemate bastard son of a servant could, on his own, get a Landsmeet ot make him King is almost impossible.

No, Cailan was aware that Alistair was his half brother and actually did not mind him being in court; it was Eamon who did not want Alistair in court when he was young. Cailin is the one who sent Alistair to the Tower of Ishal in order to save his life if things went awry.

[thegreateski]

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

Prove yourself correct with some sort of legitimate argument based on something factual instead of fabrication.

It is impossible to base my arguement on something factual when the arguement is about how people become the king of a land in A @#$%ING VIDEO GAME.

*ahem*

[Bratt1204]

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? There's no reason to be that rude or condenscending. And they're not entirely incorrect either. If all heridetary rulers were to die out, the next reasonable choice to step onto the plate is the Teryn. They have more practise ruling a large amount of land than Joe Bann. It's not a given but it's one that has merit, since we can't conclusively prove it false.

Yes, seriously. I was not being rude or condescending, simply blunt and making an honest observation.

DA is supposedly, loosely based on 13th Century England - a hereditary Feudal system not a Tanistry


Stating that Anora automatically assumes the Throne as Queen regnant upon the death of her husband Cailin is absolutely ludicrous.

Anora does not become Queen regnant upon the passing of the current Monarch - her father Loghain, is attempting to seize the Throne.

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Next in line based on noble hierarchy: The most important, oldest Noble family the Cousland male heirs followed by females, then to the lesser (newer) Nobles - Loghain Mac Tir and so on. That may even be in question to their newly acquired 'noble' title. Most likely, next in line of succession would be Eamon or Teagan.

Anora's father is of common birth, thus she has no noble blood herself. 

It is beyond imagination that a kingdom would allow the daughter of an executed treasonous, traitor to rule; It would not happen. However this is a game, after-all.

'You have no idea what you're talking about' is rude, not blunt. 'That's not how it works' is blunt.


I never said that Anora becomes regnant at Cailan's death. I clearly stated that she is regent due to a power vacuum. Unless someone is specifically named when a ruler is absent, their spouse picks up the slack.


And whether people like to acknowledge it or not, Anora is nobility. She's new nobility, new blood, but she was born the daughter of a Teryn, not the daughter of a farmer. Her father was elevated before her birth. No noble line is noble from the beginning- they are lifted to that position at some point, either by conquering it or beling elevated.

It is not my concern what your definition of 'rude' may be. 

Please do not make ridiculous statements. "Unless someone is specifically named when a ruler is absent, their spouse picks up the slack'? What?????

So based on your absurd philosophy -  if President Obama were to die - his wife becomes President? Are you insane? Why are you debating on a topic you nothing about? Queen consorts do not assume the Throne upon their husbands passing, unless they have some claim to the Throne through Royal bloodline or being named successor by the King. What legitimate arguments do you have for Anora -being a women of untrue noble birth to rule a Kingdom based on a Feudal hereditary system? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

[thegreateski]

Xandurpein wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

The point is that if the King dies he is succeded by his oldest legitimate son (or daughter depending on tradition). In the absense of legitimate children, a crown would be passed to someone else of the Kings family, first priority being a sibling. If there is no legitimate heir in the King's family at all (illegitimate bastards don't count) then it really stops being a question of bloodlines and becomes a political decision. This is why there is no clear succession after Cailan's death (there is no legitimate heir) and becomes a matter of politics, where Loghain, Anora and Eamon (on behalf of Alistair) all begin to maneuver to get their bid accpeted.

There is no legal obstacles for either a Cousland or Howe to make a personal bid for the crown after Cailan's death, but there is extremely unlikely that they can get enough political support for such a move, so it's pointless anyway. Loghain, Anora and Eamon are the persons with enough political clout and prestige to make a bid for the Crown stick. Bryce Cousland might concievably have had it too, if he had lived (we really know to little to be sure), but the PC and Fergus do not have that prestige, neither does Howe.

Thanks very much.

[Bratt1204]

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

Prove yourself correct with some sort of legitimate argument based on something factual instead of fabrication.

It is impossible to base my arguement on something factual when the arguement is about how people become the king of a land in A @#$%ING VIDEO GAME.

*ahem*

The game is loosely based on 13th Century England. Perhaps you need to study history a bit more before inferring something is fact when it absolutely is not.

[thegreateski]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? There's no reason to be that rude or condenscending. And they're not entirely incorrect either. If all heridetary rulers were to die out, the next reasonable choice to step onto the plate is the Teryn. They have more practise ruling a large amount of land than Joe Bann. It's not a given but it's one that has merit, since we can't conclusively prove it false.

Yes, seriously. I was not being rude or condescending, simply blunt and making an honest observation.

DA is supposedly, loosely based on 13th Century England - a hereditary Feudal system not a Tanistry


Stating that Anora automatically assumes the Throne as Queen regnant upon the death of her husband Cailin is absolutely ludicrous.

Anora does not become Queen regnant upon the passing of the current Monarch - her father Loghain, is attempting to seize the Throne.

Alistair is King Maric's son and is next in line to the Throne, based on heredity.

Next in line based on noble hierarchy: The most important, oldest Noble family the Cousland male heirs followed by females, then to the lesser (newer) Nobles - Loghain Mac Tir and so on. That may even be in question to their newly acquired 'noble' title. Most likely, next in line of succession would be Eamon or Teagan.

Anora's father is of common birth, thus she has no noble blood herself. 

It is beyond imagination that a kingdom would allow the daughter of an executed treasonous, traitor to rule; It would not happen. However this is a game, after-all.

'You have no idea what you're talking about' is rude, not blunt. 'That's not how it works' is blunt.


I never said that Anora becomes regnant at Cailan's death. I clearly stated that she is regent due to a power vacuum. Unless someone is specifically named when a ruler is absent, their spouse picks up the slack.


And whether people like to acknowledge it or not, Anora is nobility. She's new nobility, new blood, but she was born the daughter of a Teryn, not the daughter of a farmer. Her father was elevated before her birth. No noble line is noble from the beginning- they are lifted to that position at some point, either by conquering it or beling elevated.

It is not my concern what your definition of 'rude' may be. 

Please do not make ridiculous statements. "Unless someone is specifically named when a ruler is absent, their spouse picks up the slack'? What?????

So based on your absurd philosophy -  if President Obama were to die - his wife becomes President? Are you insane? Why are you debating on a topic you nothing about? Queen consorts do not assume the Throne upon their husbands passing, unless they have some claim to the Throne through Royal bloodline or being named successor by the King. What legitimate arguments do you have for Anora -being a women of untrue noble birth to rule a Kingdom based on a Feudal hereditary system? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

You're dumb.

The vice president is the person who has been specificly named to pick up the slack if Obama dies.

The very fact that Anora is a QUEEN consort and has effectively ruled Ferelden for the entirety of Cailan's reign is what gives her a right to the throne.

Ferelden is not based on a hereditary system. The Banns and Arls are the one who give their power to the king, not the other way around.

[thegreateski]

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King dies - Queen rules
Queen dies - Regent rules
Regent dies - Teyrn rules
Teyrn dies . . . you get the idea.

Something tells me that Howe was planning on following that line of thinking . . . him being the brand spanking new Teyrn of Highever after all.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong instead of just saying "you're dumb"

Prove yourself correct with some sort of legitimate argument based on something factual instead of fabrication.

It is impossible to base my arguement on something factual when the arguement is about how people become the king of a land in A @#$%ING VIDEO GAME.

*ahem*

The game is loosely based on 13th Century England. Perhaps you need to study history a bit more before inferring something is fact when it absolutely is not.

It can be based on whatever it wants. This does not make it a fact.

and what the hell are you saying? Was that even an argument?

Modifié par thegreateski, 25 avril 2010 - 10:17 .