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[Saberwolf116]

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

[kraidy1117]

Paragade is the way to go.

[OverlordNexas]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

What game are you playing?

[Saberwolf116]

OverlordNexas wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

What game are you playing?

When meeting with the Council, Paragon Shepard pretty much sits there and lets them insult him.

[cachx]

There's always the middle option (ok, not always, but you get the idea). Just remember: "apathy is death".

[Solomen]

I'm usually chaotic neutral but my Shep always seems to have an overflowing paragon guage and a single bar of renegade...

[enormousmoonboots]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

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brb punching Zaeed and threatening to break legs

Paragon Shep is more politically savvy. Surprisingly, yelling and threatening a bunch of politicians to make them treat you better does not help. I will agree that Paragon was dull as dirt in ME1, though.

[Sand King]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Paragade is the way to go.

What he said

[Saberwolf116]

cachx wrote...

There's always the middle option (ok, not always, but you get the idea). Just remember: "apathy is death".

Staaaaaaatement: Apathy is death.

[Archereon]

Renegade Shepard's choices are going to bite him right in his dumb ass.



Paragon Shepard will save the day with flying colors...



Good Guy wins, bad guy looses...

[enormousmoonboots]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

OverlordNexas wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

What game are you playing?

When meeting with the Council, Paragon Shepard pretty much sits there and lets them insult him.

The Council's clearly already formed their opinion of Shep before you even meet them. Paragon Shepard recognizes this and doesn't bait them, instead trying to prove him/herself through actions (and...still being scolded no matter what. 'You released the rachni, you psycho!'/'You murdered an entire species, you psycho!' YOU GODDAMN TROLL).

[OverlordNexas]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

OverlordNexas wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Something i've noticed in the Mass Effect games is that BioWare defines Paragon and Renegade in ways that sometimes frustrate me.

Paragon Shepard= Naive wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Renegade Shepard= Bigoted, tripper happy whackjob.

For me, a mix of both works good: a nice and caring Shep (Paragon) who isn't hesitant to kill an enemy that gets in his/her way (Renegade).

What game are you playing?

When meeting with the Council, Paragon Shepard pretty much sits there and lets them insult him.

 
Because he is smart enough to know that pissing off the three most powerful people in the galaxy is a bad idea.

I think they did a far better job of making Paragon Shep less Mother Theresa this time around. For example take helping the Quarian on Omega. The Paragon option is threatening to break the Elcor's legs if he doesn't release Ken from their contract. That hardly seems "wimpy" to me.

Modifié par OverlordNexas, 24 avril 2010 - 03:00 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Paragade is the way to go.

Exactly.

100 percent paragon is unrealistic and dull and most renegade videos on YouTube have Shepard with the glowing eyes and scars. 

How the hell can you grow attached to your Mass Effect world with an unfeeling Shepard like that when the option exists to make your Shepard look normal(relatively speaking for the most part). But then again, many don't play for attachment/immersion.

[PTPR]

Paragade. Though the paragon seems a little tougher this time around....or maybe that's just me.

[Archereon]

Shandepared wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Renegade Shepard's choices are going to bite him right in his dumb ass.

Paragon Shepard will save the day with flying colors...

Good Guy wins, bad guy looses...

I get the feeling that regardless of paragon/renegade Shepard will save the day. If you do it the paragon way everybody is strong and happy and all the races survive the fight mostly intact. If you go renegade then everyone unites, grudgingly, but only humanity gets through unscathed.

Renegade Shepard is just setting the Galaxy up to be screwed over though...

Everyone's dead, everyones about to start wars with each other, and he's given an enemy base which, not even counting the possibility that its a trap, a trojan horse if you will, could quite possibly be used to achieve goals other than those its possessor (TIM) has specified.

[askanec]

By Shepard's own admission, he had killed hundreds of Geth. Depending on how you see it, he's either a mass murderer or a decorated war hero. I'm not sure people want to get on the bad side of this "wimp".

[Dean_the_Young]

If by 'everybody's dead' you mean 'not as much as the Alliance navy as would have died saving one Dreadnaught.'



The Collector Base is not a trap. The lengths people go to argue that without direct support from the game are absurd. You surprised them, you overcame all of their defenses, and you took it against their will. The direct implication of the series is that you can freely take the technology following the neutron purge: all arguments of the presence of indoctrination in regards to the Collector Base have no support in the game. The only proofs of a Trojan Horse base are those manufactured by those who already have their position decided beforehand. Quite simply, the game tells you you can capture the base and use it, therefore you can. Speculation must support the cannon, not vice versa.



TIM has always specified exactly what he will do: advance the collective interests of the Species, including political dominance.







Believe it or not, many of the Paragon actions range from unfounded to detrimental to the galaxy. Rescuing the Council, for one, risks absolute galactic extinction more for the sake of three individuals than the thousands of people on the ship with them. Releasing the Rachni at the time is not foresight by any means but rather a startling lack of history and willingness to be convinced by a sob story. Buying into Legion's tale without any corroborating evidence is even worse, because you don't even have the 'I saved your race from genocide' card to pull if you find out that, hey, they too-good-to-be-true robot was actually too-good-to-be-true. Destroying the Collector Base is a conscious decision to risk genocide and at best suffer millions (if not billions) of more lives lost in the name of one person's morality.



Certainly the end game decisions favor Renegade if you actually care about ensuring the best odds possible for the most people.

[Sajuro]

askanec wrote...

By Shepard's own admission, he had killed hundreds of Geth. Depending on how you see it, he's either a mass murderer or a decorated war hero. I'm not sure people want to get on the bad side of this "wimp".

"There are precious few at ease with moral ambigueities, so we act as if they don't exist"

[kraidy1117]

LOL yes because leaving the council to die was a great decision! Plus you are giving the base to TIM, if you trust TIm then I feel sorry for you. TIM tells you right up front he is going to use it for human dominance and thinks Cerberus is humanity.

[Ninniach Lina]

Solomen wrote...

I'm usually chaotic neutral but my Shep always seems to have an overflowing paragon guage and a single bar of renegade...

"Ah yes, neutrality. We have dismissed that claim."

[kraidy1117]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If by 'everybody's dead' you mean 'not as much as the Alliance navy as would have died saving one Dreadnaught.'

The Collector Base is not a trap. The lengths people go to argue that without direct support from the game are absurd. You surprised them, you overcame all of their defenses, and you took it against their will. The direct implication of the series is that you can freely take the technology following the neutron purge: all arguments of the presence of indoctrination in regards to the Collector Base have no support in the game. The only proofs of a Trojan Horse base are those manufactured by those who already have their position decided beforehand. Quite simply, the game tells you you can capture the base and use it, therefore you can. Speculation must support the cannon, not vice versa.

TIM has always specified exactly what he will do: advance the collective interests of the Species, including political dominance.



Believe it or not, many of the Paragon actions range from unfounded to detrimental to the galaxy. Rescuing the Council, for one, risks absolute galactic extinction more for the sake of three individuals than the thousands of people on the ship with them. Releasing the Rachni at the time is not foresight by any means but rather a startling lack of history and willingness to be convinced by a sob story. Buying into Legion's tale without any corroborating evidence is even worse, because you don't even have the 'I saved your race from genocide' card to pull if you find out that, hey, they too-good-to-be-true robot was actually too-good-to-be-true. Destroying the Collector Base is a conscious decision to risk genocide and at best suffer millions (if not billions) of more lives lost in the name of one person's morality.

Certainly the end game decisions favor Renegade if you actually care about ensuring the best odds possible for the most people.

[Sand King]

 

[STG]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Paragade is the way to go.

Losers drink Paragade, winners drink Tupari.

[scorptatious]

Wimp? Pfft. Shepard is badass either way. Although I prefer playing as a Paragon Shepard anyway, I find his paragon personality kind of refreshing after playing several games where the main character is any of the following: dark, brooding, cocky, hides behind a helmet (I'm looking at you Master Chief) and a lot of other archetypes that have been used a lot in games.



That doesn't stop me from making the occasional renegade interupt though. >