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[Nu-Nu]

A wimp? One of the paragon interrupts she breaks a kid's gun and threatens him not to join the merc.

[Thundertactics]

There are several forms of paragon, neutral and renegade, here was my attempt to put them in list-form:

-Moronic Paragon: Blowing up Collector Base, pissing Tali off (in ME1 by saying the Quarians deserved their fate, in ME2 by saying that she should just give up hope on getting Rannoch back), etc.
-Heroic/nice Paragon: Most other decisions, telling C-sec to back off from Lia, etc.
-Boring Neutral: Most decisions
-Thoughtful/nice Neutral: Accepting Tali, telling her you're willing to wait as long as it takes (rather than "Captain's orders")
-Logical Neutral: Focussing on Sovereign
-Tactical Renegade: Taking the easy way out, necessary evil, most decisions
-Evil, baby orphan kicking, Renegade: Telling Garrus to **** off, treating Tali like some filthy alien, giving the evidence from the Alarei

Of course there are several more forms, and much more examples to be given (I originally posted this in the Tali thread, hence the inclusion of Tali in a lot of the examples), but I didn't take much time writing this down.

[NICKjnp]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Paragade is the way to go.

Only loser drink Paragade.

Commander Shepard drinks Tupari.  Don't you want to be like Commander Shepard?

[Barquiel]

Thundertactics wrote...

-Moronic Paragon: Blowing up Collector Base
-Logical Neutral: Focussing on Sovereign

You are right...if you play Shepard as a space racist:whistle:

The rest is "be a good Tali fan"

[Asheer_Khan]

Focusing on Sovieregin... means only one... full fledged HUMAN ALLIANCE MILITARY COUP.

[Thundertactics]

Barquiel wrote...

Thundertactics wrote...

-Moronic Paragon: Blowing up Collector Base
-Logical Neutral: Focussing on Sovereign

You are right...if you play Shepard as a space racist:whistle:

No, focusing on Sovereign is the best option, sending in the Fifth Fleet any earlier could've easily resulted in a loss of most of the ships, causing you to lack enough firepower to take on Sovereign.
Sure, the "save the idiots" route worked out for story purposes, but is fairly unlikely.

Blowing up the collector base is just plain retarded, do you honestly think the council's gonna take a few data files EDI managed to extract in the nick of time as proper evidence? Okay, the audio file in ME1 worked out too, but they've seemed to take on a serious "lalala, can't hear you" stance in ME2, the collector base with the dead Reaper inside it is undeniable evidence, regardless to who you bring it. (So even if the council refuses to believe you, you can still show it to the rest of the galaxy)
Not to mention the immensely advanced technology that could be found in there to help you against the Reapers.

The rest is "be a good Tali fan"

As I said, posted this in the Tali thread originally.

As a sidenote: I play Paragon with the occasional logical/tactical decision.

Modifié par Thundertactics, 24 avril 2010 - 04:08 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Focusing on Sovieregin... means only one... full fledged HUMAN ALLIANCE MILITARY COUP.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

*Sigh...*

[Barquiel]

Thundertactics wrote...

No, focusing on Sovereign is the best option, sending in the Fifth Fleet any earlier could've easily resulted in a loss of most of the ships, causing you to lack enough firepower to take on Sovereign.
Sure, the "save the idiots" route worked out for story purposes, but is fairly unlikely.

Blowing up the collector base is just plain retarded, do you honestly think the council's gonna take a few data files EDI managed to extract in the nick of time as proper evidence? Okay, the audio file in ME1 worked out too, but they've seemed to take on a serious "lalala, can't hear you" stance in ME2, the collector base with the dead Reaper inside it is undeniable evidence, regardless to who you bring it. (So even if the council refuses to believe you, you can still show it to the rest of the galaxy)
Not to mention the immensely advanced technology that could be found in there to help you against the Reapers.

I doubt the Collectors have anything that will help against the reaper fleet. Their tech isn't very advanced (Normandy SR2 > collector ship)
The base's purpose is to build a reaper + TIMs smile (renegade ending)
Do you really think it's a good idea? EDI scanned the base and received all the available data on the reapers.
btw...I still don't think (or hope^_^) that the council is really that disbelieving, but Shepard's link to Cerberus is a problem (even Anderson doesn't trust you 100%).

my reasons for saving the council
- I didn't want to leave a Geth fleet behind me while trying to defeat an unknown dreadnought (we know geth worship Sovereign)
- 10,000 lives saved
- DA could be useful
- save the council = political stability

[Keltoris]

Saving the Council loses us 8 ships with ~300 men onboard, that's 2400. The Ascension has a crew of ~10k and ensures political stability, and stops the Geth fleet from backdooring us shooting Sovereign.



And even if the Collector base doesn't have an indoctrination device on board (which would be the logical thing to do, although they do seem a tad Reaper-only), there's no way I'm giving it to TIM. That guy? If I had an extra Thanix cannon strapped to the Normandy for every time he's lied to me...

[STG]

Hey guys, lets give a reaper building base to a human supremacist group!



Thats bad ass.

[Blackbaron15]

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No, focusing on Sovereign is the best option, sending in the Fifth Fleet any earlier could've easily resulted in a loss of most of the ships, causing you to lack enough firepower to take on Sovereign.
Sure, the "save the idiots" route worked out for story purposes, but is fairly unlikely.

Blowing up the collector base is just plain retarded, do you honestly think the council's gonna take a few data files EDI managed to extract in the nick of time as proper evidence? Okay, the audio file in ME1 worked out too, but they've seemed to take on a serious "lalala, can't hear you" stance in ME2, the collector base with the dead Reaper inside it is undeniable evidence, regardless to who you bring it. (So even if the council refuses to believe you, you can still show it to the rest of the galaxy)
Not to mention the immensely advanced technology that could be found in there to help you against the Reapers.




You seem to be forgetting who is in charge of the safe keeping of this collector base! TIM what in the world makes you think that he will just gladley give away his edge on the crowd just so the council will believe you?

Modifié par Blackbaron15, 24 avril 2010 - 05:06 .

[NICKjnp]

Barquiel wrote...

Thundertactics wrote...

-Moronic Paragon: Blowing up Collector Base
-Logical Neutral: Focussing on Sovereign

You are right...if you play Shepard as a space racist:whistle:

The rest is "be a good Tali fan"

That's what I was thinking.

[Asheer_Khan]

Blackbaron15 wrote...

No, focusing on Sovereign is the best option, sending in the Fifth Fleet any earlier could've easily resulted in a loss of most of the ships, causing you to lack enough firepower to take on Sovereign.
Sure, the "save the idiots" route worked out for story purposes, but is fairly unlikely.

^ You forget one crucial factor here.
When Fifth Fleet enters battefield Geth ships were busy whit DA having thier backs in direct in front of the Alliance ships.
In other words Geth were perfect shooting targets because when they start to turn back to face Alliance fleet underway was already a swarm of the missiles which knocked out in off Get ships to allowing DA and decimated Turian Citadel Defence to regrup and finish rest of the Geth.

But realizing  -Focus on Sovieregin- scenario (in real battle circumstances and not story driven like was in ME) Alliance Fleet pass by Sovieregin Geth escort and of course start to attacking Sovieregin itself but then right after Geth will finish thier work whit DA they will rush to intercept Alliance ships catching them in double fire...
Tell me, do you seriously think that such battle will end whit casualties of 8 ships like in first scenario?
No this will be plain masacre of the Alliance and very possibly end whit opening Relay by Sovieregin.

Blowing up the collector base is just plain retarded, do you honestly think the council's gonna take a few data files EDI managed to extract in the nick of time as proper evidence? Okay, the audio file in ME1 worked out too, but they've seemed to take on a serious "lalala, can't hear you" stance in ME2, the collector base with the dead Reaper inside it is undeniable evidence, regardless to who you bring it. (So even if the council refuses to believe you, you can still show it to the rest of the galaxy)
Not to mention the immensely advanced technology that could be found in there to help you against the Reapers.

Dont you understand that this is EXACTLY what Reapers want... that we or anyone who will get in touch will use thier tech.
Hell we don't known in reallity how Reaper IFF trully work except that he can lead safely to the C-Base but abowe this we don't known anything about that device.
There are too many questions regard that IFF to made him really usefull thing in long run.
1. What kind of transmission IFF sends to Collector ship right before thier attack on Normandy 2.?
2 .Why after passing Omega 4 relay entire base defence system was activated and start attacking Normandy when because of this device Normandy should looking on thier  scanners as friendly unit.(not without reason this device is called IdentificationFriend/Foe)?
3.What if we get in reality wrong Reaper IFF?
And couple more questions... which i doubt will be ever answered.

You seem to be forgetting who is in charge of the safe keeping of this collector base! TIM what in the world makes you think that he will just gladley give away his edge on the crowd just so the council will believe you?

Replys in bold.

And on the side note: I will say "do what you like and think is proper for you" but i would be rather gather strongest scientific minds of the Council species and start to working on the ORIGINAL weapons and defence systems instead of relaying on tech which can turn against me on the first signal from the Reapers.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 24 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[Dean_the_Young]

...that the dumbest summation of technology I have heard in years. Technology doesn't do that. Systems can, but no one is saying we must replicate Reaper systems in all their entirety, etc. etc. You use the tech to make your own systems, systems that don't have a 'kill all humans' switch built in.



That would be rather retarded to build.



If you gather the greatest scientific minds of the galaxy and set them to work on advancing the galactic standard, you are still developing on the paths the Reapers chose because you're still going to be using e-zero physics and technologies, which is the Reaper tech line. The only way to have original technologies is to go back and develop along paths predating the discovery of E-zero. You remember? About 200 human years ago, and thousands of years earlier for the rest of the Council races?

[Strike]

I've never seen Paragon as being a doormat, but rather being diplomatic and unwilling to shoot a gun to solve problems, reasoning over brute force/indifference. I find Paragade skitsofrantic, like Shepard's character changes from one situation to another.

[Dean_the_Young]

Say it with me:



B-I-P-O-L-A-R





Perfect justification. Shepard's not a Paragade, he's just crazy.

[Dean_the_Young]

His mother has been dead for the last three years, necro.

[Wraith_3]

Paragon is hardly a wimp, though he does overdo it with the hugs. You know the line on the loading screen that says "Become the ultimate badass!"? Well my Paragon is more of a badass because he's not an a**hole and he still made that lawyer (Thane loyalty mission) about sh*t his pants just by mentioning he is a Spectre. THAT is badass!