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[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...

I wonder how does the different options affect Awakening? I haven't played through all the options presented in the first post, but on my female warrior whos friends with Al but not lovers she dissapeares a few years after the events of Awakening, does becoming Al's lover/queen affect this in anyway? Because if it does that presents a whole new arguments on itself

They do not. Only difference is who makes a cameo and maybe a few sentences different. The epilogue somewhat mentions the relationship between my Cousland and anora (she is starting to like him). But that's msotly it.

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
They do not. Only difference is who makes a cameo and maybe a few sentences different. The epilogue somewhat mentions the relationship between my Cousland and anora (she is starting to like him). But that's msotly it.

I don't know if I am dissapointed or relieved. But DA:A epilogue considering I'd say Alistair solo ruling would be the best option. At the end of the day if you handle him properly he can do just fine by himself and if the main force (in an Fem. Cousland/Al marriage/arrangment) dissapears then he would be rather boned, wouldn't you agree?

Besides, marriage is rather shackling (I just drew the ire of most women on me, ah well) for a Hero who's story is far from done, I mean hell the Hero still doesnt have the Maker trembling in his knickers, we can hardly stop now, can we ?

Modifié par Bl1nder, 24 avril 2010 - 03:35 .

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
But there is the in-game option of the HNF Queen Cousland having a lover that Alistair knows about, and letting him know that the HNF will be trying to have a child with someone else.

Edit: Having Alistair have a lover is an option as well in this situation, but there's nothing in game that indicates that.

Really? Wow I never knew that.

But that doesn't sound so smart. The kids would not be Thereins and if the people find out that Wardens can't have kids with each other, that would be a royal scandal.

...Which the epilogue slide hints at, yes.

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
But there is the in-game option of the HNF Queen Cousland having a lover that Alistair knows about, and letting him know that the HNF will be trying to have a child with someone else.

Edit: Having Alistair have a lover is an option as well in this situation, but there's nothing in game that indicates that.

Really? Wow I never knew that.

But that doesn't sound so smart. The kids would not be Thereins and if the people find out that Wardens can't have kids with each other, that would be a royal scandal.

If Alistair acknowledges the child, I'm not sure there really would be an issue, but of course, Alistair having a child by a mistress would be a better option.  My HNF would be rooting for him, and maybe trying to hook him up!  They are best friends, after all, and part of her job as  the savior and ruler would be to ensure the future of Ferelden! 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
They do not. Only difference is who makes a cameo and maybe a few sentences different. The epilogue somewhat mentions the relationship between my Cousland and anora (she is starting to like him). But that's msotly it.

I don't know if I am dissapointed or relieved. But DA:A epilogue considering I'd say Alistair solo ruling would be the best option. At the end of the day if you handle him properly he can do just fine by himself and if the main force (in an Fem. Cousland/Al marriage/arrangment) dissapears then he would be rather boned, wouldn't you agree?

Besides, marriage is rather shackling (I just drew the ire of most women on me, ah well) for a Hero who's story is far from done, I mean hell the Hero still doesnt have the Maker trembling in his knickers, we can hardly stop now, can we ?

I agree that a hardened Alistair solo-ruling is a decent option. And if he is too reliant on a female HNF, then he would be bad yes (although if he is hardened, he doesn't have to be too dependant).

I personally believe the best option is Cousland / Anora, considering how Origin epilogue says their rule can become a Golden Age (if they cooperate). I am slightly biased perhaps, but we do have the guarantee of a Golden Age if certain conditiosn are met.
And being Prince-Consort, my Cousland can still afford to go adventuring for a bit. And I like to think Anora would miss him in his absence  

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
But there is the in-game option of the HNF Queen Cousland having a lover that Alistair knows about, and letting him know that the HNF will be trying to have a child with someone else.

Edit: Having Alistair have a lover is an option as well in this situation, but there's nothing in game that indicates that.

Really? Wow I never knew that.

But that doesn't sound so smart. The kids would not be Thereins and if the people find out that Wardens can't have kids with each other, that would be a royal scandal.

If Alistair acknowledges the child, I'm not sure there really would be an issue, but of course, Alistair having a child by a mistress would be a better option.  My HNF would be rooting for him, and maybe trying to hook him up!  They are best friends, after all, and part of her job as  the savior and ruler would be to ensure the future of Ferelden! 

If Alistair can have kids, then it's rather moot to let the HNF have kids of her own. Alsitair's kids will always have a better claim and right to the throne.

Addai suggested that the people could be tricked into believing that the HNF's kids are in fact Alistair's. A possibility, but it's way too risky. If the plot is discovered, that would be scandalous for both the Couslands and the Thereins.

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I agree that a hardened Alistair solo-ruling is a decent option. And if he is too reliant on a female HNF, then he would be bad yes (although if he is hardened, he doesn't have to be too dependant).

I personally believe the best option is Cousland / Anora, considering how Origin epilogue says their rule can become a Golden Age (if they cooperate). I am slightly biased perhaps, but we do have the guarantee of a Golden Age if certain conditiosn are met.
And being Prince-Consort, my Cousland can still afford to go adventuring for a bit. And I like to think Anora would miss him in his absence  

Aye I agree to an extent, maybe it's just my personal dislike of Anora getting in the way. She is a good administrator, yes, but at the end of the day shes a sheltered Noble, she doesn't see the suffering of the avarage Joe on the street, and without Alistair's or M. Cousland softening influence... well lets say that the phrase "Rise of the Tyrant" comes to mind

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


If Alistair acknowledges the child, I'm not sure there really would be an issue, but of course, Alistair having a child by a mistress would be a better option.  My HNF would be rooting for him, and maybe trying to hook him up!  They are best friends, after all, and part of her job as  the savior and ruler would be to ensure the future of Ferelden! 

If Alistair can have kids, then it's rather moot to let the HNF have kids of her own. Alsitair's kids will always have a better claim and right to the throne.

Addai suggested that the people could be tricked into believing that the HNF's kids are in fact Alistair's. A possibility, but it's way too risky. If the plot is discovered, that would be scandalous for both the Couslands and the Thereins.

My only point of that whole thing is that it IS an in-game option.  When discussing the upcoming marriage with Ali, when he brings up that the two of them having an heir may not be possible, there's the dialog choice, "At least not YOUR heir." Which he accepts, though he likes it a lot less if he's in love with the warden.  And yes, there's the whole royal scandal.

Alistair CAN have children, at least with the help of magic, so the point is moot.  I just like throwing my favorite ending out there as a possibility.  

[Korva]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I did not assume it was matter of fact. I always said IF, which is what the game implies. It could be the case or it could not. Both in-game and out (Awakening), it seems to be hinted at that Anora is barren and it is something to take into consideration.

But why, that is my point? There is no reason given why anyone should "blame" her rather than Cailan (or other unknown reasons) for the lack of a child. This automatic assumption that it's the woman's fault made me roll my eyes when I heard of it in-game. Anora is quite popular, too, so it probably isn't a case of Ferelden's people slandering her because they can't stand her.

No, it's not possible to marry Anora and kill Loghain.

Well, that makes no sense. If Anora will still consent to marry Alistair, the same should apply to marrying the male Warden, in my book.

Again, that is not a necessary outcome. Male Warden and Anora can get along and if they do, they achieve a Golden Age.

I just have a hard time seeing it as anything other than what I've written: the male Cousland as a power-wh*ring egotist. The male Warden presents the same problems as Alistair, as Prince-Consort, without the advantage of the all-important Theirin blood.

Mind you, female Warden plus Alistair is just as bad, I suppose, since as far as I know she springs it on the poor sod right in front of the Landsmeet without EVER discussing it in advance (and most importantly, in private). It's really bad if they're not even in a relationship. Even worse still if the Warden knew she and Alistair cannot have children together, but I heard that is one of several inconvenient Grey Warden facts that we learn too late, so it can't be blamed on her, but Alistair does know and should refuse.

(Caveat: like the male Warden experience, my knowledge of the Alistair and Zevran romances is all second-hand.)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...
Aye I agree to an extent, maybe it's just my personal dislike of Anora getting in the way. She is a good administrator, yes, but at the end of the day shes a sheltered Noble, she doesn't see the suffering of the avarage Joe on the street, and without Alistair's or M. Cousland softening influence... well lets say that the phrase "Rise of the Tyrant" comes to mind

Anora remembers her past as a peasant's girl and is not ashamed of it. If anything, she has a stronger connection to the people than Alistair (lived in Templar barracks) and a Cousland (depends on how you RP him though).

In addition, Anora's expansion of trade and the building of a university might create a strong and wealthy middle class, which is the prerequiste for more liberal regimes. Her actions can transform Ferelden into a leading nation, if her regime can be maintained and that's the prolem. If Anora is barren and / or is unwilling to marry anyone, then that would pose a serious problem.

But I personally do not believe Anora will act like a tyrant (except vis a vis the elves). Even if she wanted to, she couldn't. Ferelden's political system makes it hard for Tyrants to rise.

[Bl1nder]

Korva wrote...

Mind you, female Warden plus Alistair is just as bad, I suppose, since as far as I know she springs it on the poor sod right in front of the Landsmeet without EVER discussing it in advance (and most importantly, in private). I

That made me giggle, I suppose it would come as quite the suprise, wouldn't it? Even so throughout the game Alistair is a lump of clay given shape by the PC, as such the PC is bound to do better than him.

Modifié par Bl1nder, 24 avril 2010 - 03:58 .

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Anora remembers her past as a peasant's girl and is not ashamed of it. If anything, she has a stronger connection to the people than Alistair (lived in Templar barracks) and a Cousland (depends on how you RP him though).

In addition, Anora's expansion of trade and the building of a university might create a strong and wealthy middle class, which is the prerequiste for more liberal regimes. Her actions can transform Ferelden into a leading nation, if her regime can be maintained and that's the prolem. If Anora is barren and / or is unwilling to marry anyone, then that would pose a serious problem.

But I personally do not believe Anora will act like a tyrant (except vis a vis the elves). Even if she wanted to, she couldn't. Ferelden's political system makes it hard for Tyrants to rise.

I see your point, but the elves still remain a problem. Furthermore she just strikes me as a rather cold person, and more than anything lets personal feelings get in the way when it comes to Loghain. Oh yes she goes against him, but when it comes to the execution she doesn't approve one bit. You might say it's natural for one to act as much when it concerns one's perant, but if shes such a skilled administrator and politican surley she sees the potential for dissaster?

Edit: apologies for the double post

Modifié par Bl1nder, 24 avril 2010 - 03:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Korva wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I did not assume it was matter of fact. I always said IF, which is what the game implies. It could be the case or it could not. Both in-game and out (Awakening), it seems to be hinted at that Anora is barren and it is something to take into consideration.

But why, that is my point? There is no reason given why anyone should "blame" her rather than Cailan (or other unknown reasons) for the lack of a child. This automatic assumption that it's the woman's fault made me roll my eyes when I heard of it in-game. Anora is quite popular, too, so it probably isn't a case of Ferelden's people slandering her because they can't stand her.

I do not know. But Anora's unwillingess to marry if she rules alone and Loghains' comments in Awwakening to a cousland who married Anora kind of hint at it. No strong evidence yet though.

Korva wrote...

No, it's not possible to marry Anora and kill Loghain.

Well, that makes no sense. If Anora will still consent to marry Alistair, the same should apply to marrying the male Warden, in my book.

She consents to marry Alistair because Alistair has an equal claim to the throne, which she needs. She is willing to compromise on this. A male Cousland on the otherhand has no real claim to the throne, so she doesn't have to marry him to make her case stronger. She could, but she doesn't really have to if the Cousland authorised her father's death.

But I don't know, I am not so sure now. Someone should confirm.

Korva wrote...

Again, that is not a necessary outcome. Male Warden and Anora can get along and if they do, they achieve a Golden Age.

I just have a hard time seeing it as anything other than what I've written: the male Cousland as a power-wh*ring egotist. The male Warden presents the same problems as Alistair, as Prince-Consort, without the advantage of the all-important Theirin blood.

Let's assume that he is a power wh*ring egotist (I prefer the term "ambitious"). He and Anora do not have to fight each other, as the epilogue points that cooperation is possible.
 
The Theirin, while important, is not that important. The only real problem for Cousland / Anora is the problem of succesion, IF Anora is barren (Loghain's comment sort of hint at this). If she is not, then there is no real problems with that couple, if they cooperate.

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[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...
I see your point, but the elves still remain a problem. Furthermore she just strikes me as a rather cold person, and more than anything lets personal feelings get in the way when it comes to Loghain. Oh yes she goes against him, but when it comes to the execution she doesn't approve one bit. You might say it's natural for one to act as much when it concerns one's perant, but if shes such a skilled administrator and politican surley she sees the potential for dissaster?

And Alistair doesn't? lol

And you are kind of contradicting yourself. On one hand, you criticize Anora for being cold and on the other, you say she wasn't cold enough when it came to her own father.
There is no disaster in sparing Loghain. The disaster is in not stopping him.

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bl1nder wrote...
I see your point, but the elves still remain a problem. Furthermore she just strikes me as a rather cold person, and more than anything lets personal feelings get in the way when it comes to Loghain. Oh yes she goes against him, but when it comes to the execution she doesn't approve one bit. You might say it's natural for one to act as much when it concerns one's perant, but if shes such a skilled administrator and politican surley she sees the potential for dissaster?

And Alistair doesn't? lol

And you are kind of contradicting yourself. On one hand, you criticize Anora for being cold and on the other, you say she wasn't cold enough when it came to her own father.
There is no disaster in sparing Loghain. The disaster is in not stopping him.

Let me qualify. I realise in contradict my self, but her image is that of a pragmatic politician, and she herself says as much "i would do anything for Ferelden" or something along those lines, in my view she should stick with it to the hilt, not ignore it when ocassion demands. It's sort of similar to where you are holding court in Awakening and can choose to follow the law or let emotion rule you and declare against the old Arl's supporter.
And while, yes you CAN say that Alistair is acting on emotions when he wants Loghain dead he never pretends to have done otherwise, which is why I believe he is the better ruler in this case.

Modifié par Bl1nder, 24 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...
Let me qualify. I realise in contradict my self, but her image is that of a pragmatic politician, and she herself says as much "i would do anything for Ferelden" or something along those lines, in my view she should stick with it to the hilt, not ignore it when ocassion demands. It's sort of similar to where you are holding court in Awakening and can choose to follow the law or let emotion rule you and declare against the old Arl's supporter.
And while, yes you CAN say that Alistair is acting on emotions when he wants Loghain's death he never pretends to have done otherwise, which is why I believe he is the better ruler in this case.

I personally do not see the logical connection in the last sentence. It's precisely because he never claimed to care about pragmatism that I do not think he would be as good a ruler as Anora. But nevermind, I don't want this to become another Alistair / Loghain thread.

Anora's dealing with Loghain is not purely emotional, she is offering a pragmatic view as well. Something Riordan shares. Sparing Loghain can be seen as a pragmatic decision and Anora is definately not making a stupid decision nor is allowing her emotions to blind her when it comes to this. Killing Loghain is not necessary for Ferelden.
And remember that she is offering to subject her father to a 50% chance of dying and to relinquish him of his title and land. That's good enough for me.

I do not think Anora falterred in her judgement, nor did she bend the law to save her father. The Warden Right of Conscription makes all those conscripted immune from prosecution for any crime.
 

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bl1nder wrote...
Let me qualify. I realise in contradict my self, but her image is that of a pragmatic politician, and she herself says as much "i would do anything for Ferelden" or something along those lines, in my view she should stick with it to the hilt, not ignore it when ocassion demands. It's sort of similar to where you are holding court in Awakening and can choose to follow the law or let emotion rule you and declare against the old Arl's supporter.
And while, yes you CAN say that Alistair is acting on emotions when he wants Loghain's death he never pretends to have done otherwise, which is why I believe he is the better ruler in this case.

I personally do not see the logical connection in the last sentence. It's precisely because he never claimed to care about pragmatism that I do not think he would be as good a ruler as Anora. But nevermind, I don't want this to become another Alistair / Loghain thread.

Anora's dealing with Loghain is not purely emotional, she is offering a pragmatic view as well. Something Riordan shares. Sparing Loghain can be seen as a pragmatic decision and Anora is definately not making a stupid decision nor is allowing her emotions to blind her when it comes to this. Killing Loghain is not necessary for Ferelden.
And remember that she is offering to subject her father to a 50% chance of dying and to relinquish him of his title and land. That's good enough for me.

I do not think Anora falterred in her judgement, nor did she bend the law to save her father. The Warden Right of Conscription makes all those conscripted immune from prosecution for any crime.
 

She holds a grudge after, I dont believe you can deny that . And yes the 50% of death either way though, she doesnt know how it will all end, let's say the PC dies, Loghain lives, the man responsible for the death of the old king and Duncan still lives and quite possibly is in a seat of power. But regardless this is turning in to a discussion about personal opinions. Let's agree to disagree.
And just as a final point, yes Al never claims to hold pragmatism in sight which is why I believe he can be a good ruler (on the flip side he can be a very bad one)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bl1nder wrote...
She holds a grudge after, I dont believe you can deny that . And yes the 50% of death either way though, she doesnt know how it will all end, let's say the PC dies, Loghain lives, the man responsible for the death of the old king and Duncan still lives and quite possibly is in a seat of power. But regardless this is turning in to a discussion about personal opinions. Let's agree to disagree.
And just as a final point, yes Al never claims to hold pragmatism in sight which is why I believe he can be a good ruler (on the flip side he can be a very bad one)

It's only natural that she holds a grudge. No one is 100% pure pragmatism, even if they like to see themselves as such.
Loghain would be a Warden with no title and no power. He would be no threat and his crime has already been punished, when he became a Warden, so that's not a problem. And he would probably be sent to Orlais later on by command of the First Warden, as Awakening showed us.
But yea, let's agree to disagree.

[Bl1nder]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bl1nder wrote...
She holds a grudge after, I dont believe you can deny that . And yes the 50% of death either way though, she doesnt know how it will all end, let's say the PC dies, Loghain lives, the man responsible for the death of the old king and Duncan still lives and quite possibly is in a seat of power. But regardless this is turning in to a discussion about personal opinions. Let's agree to disagree.
And just as a final point, yes Al never claims to hold pragmatism in sight which is why I believe he can be a good ruler (on the flip side he can be a very bad one)

It's only natural that she holds a grudge. No one is 100% pure pragmatism, even if they like to see themselves as such.
Loghain would be a Warden with no title and no power. He would be no threat and his crime has already been punished, when he became a Warden, so that's not a problem. And he would probably be sent to Orlais later on by command of the First Warden, as Awakening showed us.
But yea, let's agree to disagree.

True to a point
Anyway as fun as the discussion has been I gotta go back to writing my essay on Bioware vs Blizzard.
And on a final note, who cares for some petty kingdom? We have worlds to conquer

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I think that the question of succession and future stability of the monarchy has been strongly implied that unrest is in the cards, because no matter which combination of rulers you pick, the couples will be less than fertile, as well as possibly unwilling. Whoever rules it really doesn't matter how good or bad the pairing is. It is only a short term solution. In the long term, it seems both the Mac Tir and Therin lines are doomed to extinction, and thus, no matter which pair of monarchs you choose, civil unrest is almost a certainty in the future.

That's what I feel as well. Hence why I think Option V is the best one, as the Couslands can easily assume the throne for themselves. Chances are multiplied if it's a freakin God Cousland that wants to be king (and make his old man proud). Of course that's a big if.

That option would be on par with a female Cousland having a non-Therin kid. I do not think a male PC or Alistair's god-baby would play a role in succession, since god baby's father can come from any origin, and furthermore, Morrigan has shown no real interest in politics, and given her persona, I doubt any child raised by her would have much interest in the political situation. Me thinks Morrigan's plans are more along the lines of social and religous liberation...provided the kid doesn't turn into a major evil psychotic bastard or something worse, that Morrigan is unable to deal with. I think god child might play a much larger role than mere politics in the future.

The Couslands are the most likely candidates for succession. Regardless of Origin, Fergus survives, and is still young and fertile enough to produce heirs. Warden Cousland, regardless of gender, still leaves a major hole in the possibility, given the whole taint business.

Thus, if there is any forseeable future with the least amount of aggro, Fergus or one of his kids, if he remarries and has more, seems the most likely option. However, given the nature of the Bannorn and political situation in Ferelden, I don't even think a Cousland succession would be easy and bloodshed free. I think it has been left that way to make room for future aggro and conflicts in future expansions or sequels.

From a metagaming perspective, this is generally why the choice of who goes on the throne becomes one that is more of personal and story tastes. (Since I've yet to play a male Cousland, a Cousland/Anora marriage would not be an option, and I'm yet to play a Cousland female with any desire to see herself or Alistair take the throne).

Personally, if Anora would get over her hero worship of her father, she would be the best candidate for a future succession, since it's only vaguely implied she is barren, and I'm yet to see any proof that Cailan wasn't the consumate blank-shooter. She could easily nab herself a non-Warden, fertile noble, and get to makin' babies.

But alas, methinks the developers want to leave it that way, and it suits me just fine. I look forward to doing my part in the sure-to-be-coming chaos and lunacy that is certain to be Ferelden part 2.

[Xandurpein]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Korva wrote...
I never play as a male character, so I don't know how the interaction with a male Cousland and Anora proceeds or "feels". One question: is it only possible to marry Anora if Loghain lives? If not, and he dies, Anora has at least as much of a reason to dislike the Warden as she does Alistair which would make for a very bad marriage..

No, it's not possible to marry Anora and kill Loghain.

Technically it is possible. If cousland marries Anora and let's Alistair duel Loghain, then Alistair slays him, but Cousland can still marry Anora.

If Alistair survives Fort Drakon via Dark Ritual he will however take a blow to the head and belivee he is King at Post-Coronation, much to the embarassment of everyone present.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Xandurpein wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Korva wrote...
I never play as a male character, so I don't know how the interaction with a male Cousland and Anora proceeds or "feels". One question: is it only possible to marry Anora if Loghain lives? If not, and he dies, Anora has at least as much of a reason to dislike the Warden as she does Alistair which would make for a very bad marriage..

No, it's not possible to marry Anora and kill Loghain.

Technically it is possible. If cousland marries Anora and let's Alistair duel Loghain, then Alistair slays him, but Cousland can still marry Anora.

If Alistair survives Fort Drakon via Dark Ritual he will however take a blow to the head and belivee he is King at Post-Coronation, much to the embarassment of everyone present.

Thankfully, there's a magical cure called Dialogue tweaks, or the Alistair Dialogue patch, that fixes those kingly delusions. For someone who seldom, if ever, makes him king, it's a godsend.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
That option would be on par with a female Cousland having a non-Therin kid.

It would not, as the Therein line still exists and those kids would not have a stronger claim than if Alistair had kids. Infact, it would look pretty weird if Alistair doesn't try to extend his line. With the presence of a Theirin who is capable of concieving kids, no one has a stronger claim (unless it turns out Alsitair can't convieve any).

In the Anora/ Cousland case, the Theirin line is either destroyed or exiled. If Anora can't have kids, then the Cousland's children have the strongest claim to the throne.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I do not think a male PC or Alistair's god-baby would play a role in succession, since god baby's father can come from any origin, and furthermore, Morrigan has shown no real interest in politics, and given her persona, I doubt any child raised by her would have much interest in the political situation. Me thinks Morrigan's plans are more along the lines of social and religous liberation...provided the kid doesn't turn into a major evil psychotic bastard or something worse, that Morrigan is unable to deal with. I think god child might play a much larger role than mere politics in the future.

Could be a special option for the Human noble origin, just like becoming King / Queen Consort is. Not unfeasible.

Furthermore, Morrigan is interested in politics. She says that she studied history and tells the Cousland that she isn't bothered with him marrying Anora, as it's politics which she is famiiar with. In addition, one ending has her infiltrate the Imperial Court of Orlais (which makes Orzammar look like a nice place). If that isn't a testemony of her political skills, then I do not know what is.

Sure, Morrigan's ambitions may extend well beyond a pathetic kingdom. But that does not mean she wouldn't teach the kid about politics.

EDIT: Thanks for the confirmation Xander.
Well that sucks lol

Still, the optimal condition for Option V is to have Loghain spared (to avoid conflict with Anora).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2010 - 04:48 .

[master-fluff]

Surely it's a pretty safe bet that any child of Morrigan's will be a mage. And one with the soul of an Old God (i.e. the beings that taught the Tevinter their darkest magic), it's got be a certainty. Old God baby is destined for greater things than the throne of some backwater.

[KnightofPhoenix]

master-fluff wrote...

Surely it's a pretty safe bet that any child of Morrigan's will be a mage. And one with the soul of an Old God (i.e. the beings that taught the Tevinter their darkest magic), it's got be a certainty. Old God baby is destined for greater things than the throne of some backwater.

I am planing for him / her to be Emperor / Empress of Thedas and create an Empire that would surpass Tevinter in its Zenith. And of course usher in a Thedesian Renaissance, where the Chantry becomes weakened. 
That in addition to doing whatever it is Old God Baby is supposed to do, but I am hoping he / she inherits her father's skills and ambitions.