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[LenaMarie]

Its amazing people dont realize DRM when it stares them in the face. Setting your DA to login automatically and then saying you never have problems with DLC doesnt mean their is no DRM. It means your getting authorized as soon as you login.



Hopefully Bioware comes up with something though, restarting DA 5 times is stupid. It wont load my saves otherwise.

[JamesX]

Not sure about the rest of you. The game pops up a dialogue tell me I need to be logged in when I hit resume too fast (because the game haven't logged me into my account yet).

So there is some sort of check. It is probably a bug because Bioware said once I authorize the DLC once I shouldn't need to authorize it every time. But at las, that seems to be what is happening.

[LenaMarie]

The strange thing i've discovered about this is my nephew was playing DA on my computer with his account logged in and it downloaded a bonus item that was attached to his account but for some reason that works in my game too, meanwhile the content i paid for wont authorize properly without restarting alot >.<

[Nassou]

The problem is if you are not logged in, you cannot play a savegame with DLC. If your internet is out and you want to play some DA, too bad.

[ByblosHex]

You can. You have to first log in with the correct EA account. Dont enable "always log in". Log in and load your game, save and exit.



Now the next time you play you can play with your DLC if you dont have an intenernet connection. As long as you dont try to log in or remove your email address from the screen.

[Nassou]

So the feature that provides convenience is actually extremely inconvenient?

[LenaMarie]

I just testing that. Unfortunately it doesnt work. I logged in and it authorized, and i logged out and unchecked auto login. It was still authorized, then I closed the program and started it up. Yes, if you guessed it went back to unauthorized, you'd be correct.

So I logged in and it authorized Again. So you see, there is something seriously wrong with this DRM and disabling authorization in the addins.xml does not work. I loaded my saved game up and everything from Warden's Keep is GONE and Shale is also GONE. However when i switch it back to needing authorization and loaded up my save game? It was fine.

Modifié par LenaMarie, 10 novembre 2009 - 02:48 .

[slmisfit]

People saying you don't have to log in to use the DLC must be extra special, because if I don't log in, dear Alistair suddenly becomes naked (because he's wearing the Grey Warden armor from Warden's Keep) and Shale disappears.

[LenaMarie]

I wonder if the people that say you dont need to log in have the Disc version or something. I wouldn't be surprised if they are 'punishing' the players who have the digital version.

[slmisfit]

LenaMarie wrote...

I wonder if the people that say you dont need to log in have the Disc version or something. I wouldn't be surprised if they are 'punishing' the players who have the digital version.

I have the disc version, myself. If I don't have it set to log in automatically, or if I uncheck said option and don't log in before trying to play, it warns me that I need to log in to access my content. And even then, it doesn't always warn me. Hence my going in to find Alistair wearing only a helmet and nothing else, and Shale completely missing.

That's why I think the people who are saying not to complain must have it set to automatically log them in. And anyone who can't see that having to log in all the time to access stuff you've paid for is a form of DRM... well, they have no idea what they're talking about.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

LenaMarie wrote...

Its amazing people dont realize DRM when it stares them in the face. Setting your DA to login automatically and then saying you never have problems with DLC doesnt mean their is no DRM. It means your getting authorized as soon as you login.

Hopefully Bioware comes up with something though, restarting DA 5 times is stupid. It wont load my saves otherwise.

The issue is Impulse, if I recall correctly they shipped with the wrong version of the DAupdater.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Nassou wrote...

The problem is if you are not logged in, you cannot play a savegame with DLC. If your internet is out and you want to play some DA, too bad.

I just loaded my DLC ridden game just fine earlier today when my internet was out.

So, you're wrong.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[slmisfit]

JigPig wrote...

By that notion, These forums are DRM
because if you do not have an internet connection you cannot load the
page. Until you prove that there is hidden DRM in the DLC, you are
braindead.

These forums are not something I paid for to access. I did, however, pay for Warden's Keep, and the fact that it disappears from my game if I don't log in first for it to verify I own it is a form of DRM. It's not hidden DRM. It's right in your face DRM.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[DeepGray]

JigPig wrote...

blasphemae wrote...

JigPig wrote...

By that notion, These forums are DRM
because if you do not have an internet connection you cannot load the
page. Until you prove that there is hidden DRM in the DLC, you are
braindead.

These forums are not something I paid for to access. I did, however, pay for Warden's Keep, and the fact that it disappears from my game if I don't log in first for it to verify I own it is a form of DRM. It's not hidden DRM. It's right in your face DRM.

As it rightfully should, it's tied to your account. If it wasn't based on account activation, what's to stop you from giving it to all you're buddies? I see a difference between limiting you to 3 installs/installing hidden rootkits in your registries and making you LOG in to access content.

Except this is NOT an on-line game. Even IF you sign in, you can still face a naked or partly invisible tank, vanished party member or a mage with missing spells which means you have to load, reload and reload until EA servers decide that you actually bought the DLC and will let you use it. This is horrible DRM and not working as it should.

EDIT:
Also: "Oh yeah, treat your customers like criminals, that'll show them!" is what I'm getting from your post.  <_<

Modifié par DeepGray, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:40 .

[slmisfit]

JigPig wrote...

As it rightfully should, it's tied to your account. If it wasn't based on account activation, what's to stop you from giving it to all you're buddies? I see a difference between limiting you to 3 installs/installing hidden rootkits in your registries and making you LOG in to access content.

Riiiiight... like the DLC hasn't been cracked somehow already, or at least already in the works. DRM of any kind is bad. If I start up my game one day because my internet is out and I'm bored off my ass, and I feel like going through the Shale or Warden's Keep quests, I won't be able to. Or if I start up a save that's in the middle of the game, Shale is gonna disappear from my party, and Alistair's gonna be nekkid as a jaybird. Even though it's something I PAID FOR. Again, DRM of any kind is bad. If I'd realized that I would have to log in EVERY time I wanted to play in order to access my DLC, I wouldn't have bought it.

And by the way, I would like to point out that I've never NOT logged in before playing, which means that time Alistair showed up naked and Shale disappeared? I WAS LOGGED IN. DRM of any kind is bad, but DRM that doesn't work properly is even worse.

Modifié par blasphemae, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:57 .

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[slmisfit]

JigPig wrote...

Ah yes, instead of implementing zero copy protection, let's give them the game for free!
Do people blame the Ford when they lose their car key to their Focus and it won't start?

Yeah, sure, that's what I was proposing.  No arguing with someone who obviously hasn't had a problem with this particular form of DRM yet.

Edit: That comparison is absolutely ridiculous. LOL. Yeah, it's totally my fault the BIOWARE/EA SERVERS decided I wasn't the rightful owner, and that I had to restart the game several times before it worked.

Modifié par blasphemae, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:56 .

[Toom316]

blasphemae wrote...

JigPig wrote...

As it rightfully should, it's tied to your account. If it wasn't based on account activation, what's to stop you from giving it to all you're buddies? I see a difference between limiting you to 3 installs/installing hidden rootkits in your registries and making you LOG in to access content.

Riiiiight... like the DLC hasn't been cracked somehow already, or at least already in the works. DRM of any kind is bad. If I start up my game one day because my internet is out and I'm bored off my ass, and I feel like going through the Shale or Warden's Keep quests, I won't be able to. Or if I start up a save that's in the middle of the game, Shale is gonna disappear from my party, and Alistair's gonna be nekkid as a jaybird. Even though it's something I PAID FOR. Again, DRM of any kind is bad.

And by the way, I would like to point out that I've never NOT logged in before playing, which means that time Alistair showed up naked and Shale disappeared? I WAS LOGGED IN. DRM of any kind is bad, but DRM that doesn't work properly is even worse.

Yeah because developers should not get paid for there work? If there was no system in place for DLC then what would even be the point of them trying to sell DLC? I mean anyone and everyone would just pick it up off a torrent site somewhere. Atleast now there is some form of protection to the system and the developers get paid for an amazing game and we continue to get updates and more content.

If its really that big of a issue to you then don't buy any DLC and you will not have any problems with it.  DRM when used correctly is worth it. But when used incorrectly and hidden from the player it does nothing but hurt the game. In this case you know the DRM is there and you know you will need a internet connection to access your DLC.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[Naterstein]

I hope, at the very least, when they stop making DLC/supporting the game, one of the last things they do is remove the DRM.

[DeepGray]

Toom316 wrote...

If its really that big of a issue to you then don't buy any DLC and you will not have any problems with it.  DRM when used correctly is worth it. But when used incorrectly and hidden from the player it does nothing but hurt the game. In this case you know the DRM is there and you know you will need a internet connection to access your DLC.

You're missing the point. Even if we are logged in and on-line, the server won't let us use our DLC. That is the problem and it has not been fixed.

JigPig wrote...

Are you kidding? I couldn't play Mass
Effect for 2 months because of that stupid install limit ****, that's
from the same company. Really? You had to restart the game a few
times? Big whoop.

So because you have a hard time trying to play ME, it's ok if we have a hard time trying to play DAO? I mean, you suffered so we have to as well as retribution for the suffering you endured right? It was actually the DAO customer's fault ME had install limits right?

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[TheFawz]

Never got those problems, but I see how it would be infiurating I suppose.