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[slmisfit]

Toom316 wrote...

Yeah because developers should not get paid for there work? If there was no system in place for DLC then what would even be the point of them trying to sell DLC? I mean anyone and everyone would just pick it up off a torrent site somewhere. Atleast now there is some form of protection to the system and the developers get paid for an amazing game and we continue to get updates and more content.

If its really that big of a issue to you then don't buy any DLC and you will not have any problems with it.  DRM when used correctly is worth it. But when used incorrectly and hidden from the player it does nothing but hurt the game. In this case you know the DRM is there and you know you will need a internet connection to access your DLC.

Holy god... PLEASE keep putting words in my mouth. PLEASE. Everyone who wants to pick it up from a torrent site will already DO SO. DRM doesn't hurt the pirates out there, it hurts the legitimate buyers.

Are you listening to yourself? Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, come up with a better response than "don't buy it". You're telling us not to give Bioware and EA our money when you do that, you know. I already bought Warden's Keep, and I want to be able to play it without having to log in every single time I want to play. If the EA/Bioware servers are screwed up, or my internet is out, then I'm screwed. Oh, but guess who isn't? The PIRATES.

JigPig wrote...

Are you kidding? I couldn't play Mass
Effect for 2 months because of that stupid install limit ****, that's
from the same company. Really? You had to restart the game a few
times? Big whoop.

DA:O =/= ME. You have yet to experience a problem with DA:O's DLC DRM, therefore there is no arguing with you about it. If anything, your experience with ME should make you more sympathetic to those experiencing problems with this DLC DRM. It obviously hasn't, though.

And before anyone keeps reading things that aren't there in my posts: I do not support pirates. I paid for my DLC, and I want to be able to actually play what I paid for, WHEN I want to play it. Not just when my internet is up or the EA/Bioware servers decide I'm the legitimate owner of it. I don't know how hard it would be to come up with an offline solution that wouldn't screw up people's computers or install hidden things, but I am sure I'd prefer it over this. I didn't realize I would have to log in every time I wanted to play what I paid for, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the DLC, and I would have found a way to get rid of the NPCs that offer the DLC quests immediately. If it was in some fine print somewhere, then it's totally my fault, as I tend to zone out when reading EULAs and whatnot, but I'm not going to stop disliking this DRM either way.

Edit: I'm done with this thread, by the way. Don't expect me to respond anymore. The last thing I need is a headache being fueled from two ends.

Modifié par blasphemae, 10 novembre 2009 - 06:34 .

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:50 .

[kab]

[quote]No there is not! I don't need to check in with the game and or server every time I want to use my content, I already told the game I have it because of the promo code is linked to the account I bound it to.[/quote]



For many people like myself the game will not allow DLC to be used unless currently signed in with the account that registered it. Have you actually played a save game with DLC without being signed in? The EA knowledge base even claims that you must always be signed in.



[quote]People in here obviously have no clue about what exactly DRM, stands for, what it is, or what it does.[/quote]



Including you. There is a form of DRM attached to the DLC. You cannot simply install it, you must sign in with an account that has a license for that DLC. It is DRM by definition. Now, BioWare has claimed that you only need to be signed in the first time so it can be activated/authorized -- EA on the other hand claims you need to be signed in any time you play a save game with DLC. The truth, I'm not sure, but for me and many others the game will NOT allow us to use DLC without logging in.



[quote]you dont have to login to use the dlc. other than the first time.[/quote]



EA support and the loads of people who do have to login every single time, like me, beg to differ.



[quote]I haven't had any issues with DLC's with the retail version of the game - no matter logged in or not. Are you sure it's not problem with Impulse/Steam/D2D versions only?[/quote]



This or security settings on the machine are the likely causes. If you can use DLC while logged out I guess that confirms what BioWare said, I haven't paid too much attention to this subject so I'm sure that's not news to most.



[quote]You don't need to create an account to download the DLC, the direct links are all over the net. I also fail to see where the rights management comes in client side, it's as simple as changing a bunch of 1s to 0's.







I'm not condoning it, but you fellas really need to get your heads out of the clouds if you think there is any form of protection regarding DLC.[/quote]



Wrong. Even were that true it would be irrelevant. While encryption and strong protection are desirable for obvious reasons, no matter how good or bad the implementation it is still DRM.



[quote]I wonder if the people that say you dont need to log in have the Disc version or something. I wouldn't be surprised if they are 'punishing' the players who have the digital version.[/quote]



Don't be absurd.



[quote]By that notion, These forums are DRM because if you do not have an internet connection you cannot load the page. Until you prove that there is hidden DRM in the DLC, you are braindead.[/quote]



Good to see the Idiocy Demon has found a new vessel to explore the world through.



[quote]As it rightfully should, it's tied to your account. If it wasn't based on account activation, what's to stop you from giving it to all you're buddies? I see a difference between limiting you to 3 installs/installing hidden rootkits in your registries and making you LOG in to access content. [/quote]



There is a difference in implementation, not in purpose. You are describing two different forms of DRM. Just because YOU have attached very negative connotations to DRM does not mean that it must use root kits or drivers that hose an entire system to be DRM.



[quote]Ah yes, instead of implementing zero copy protection, let's give them the game for free!

Do people blame the Ford when they lose their car key to their Focus and it won't start?[/quote]



Aren't you just full of fallacies and terrible analogies. It's a matter of property rights -- to protect their intellectual property they usurp your right to do whatever you damn well please. Of course it gets into debatable legal grounds as they sell you a license rather than a material product. Lawyers have, are, and will continue to make millions fighting over this very issue. Let's just stick with something simple: I can't do as I please with something I bought and paid for. Would you accept Lazy Boy dictating how and when you can use your chair, often using invasive and/or destructive means to do so?



This is neither here nor there though. The important point here is that people who have bought the DLC can't use it legitimately in a single player game without being connected to the internet. That's not a particularly acceptable position in today's market.



[quote]Yeah because developers should not get paid for there work? If there was no system in place for DLC then what would even be the point of them trying to sell DLC? I mean anyone and everyone would just pick it up off a torrent site somewhere. Atleast now there is some form of protection to the system and the developers get paid for an amazing game and we continue to get updates and more content.[/quote]



This argument was, is, and likely always will be idiotic. Anyone with an IQ greater than 50 can get any song they want on the internet. Yet iTunes still seems to sell songs, CDs still seem to make it off the shelves. Likewise with movies, games, applications, etc. Software pirates consistently manage to circumvent any form of DRM that doesn't require logging into the internet every single time you want to use it, it's the customers who end up screwed when it malfunctions. In fact, I've had games I bought that I had to go get a torrent for because the DRM didn't bloody work but the torrent worked fine. If BioWare wants to require logging in to play, fine, but they better be clear about it up front, and they're going to lose a lot of customers. They don't require that of course and they indicate that it is not intended that DLC require you to be logged in at all times to play it, so clearly their DRM is not behaving and it needs FIXED.



[quote]Are you kidding? I couldn't play Mass Effect for 2 months because of that stupid install limit ****, that's from the same company. Really? You had to restart the game a few times? Big whoop.[/quote]



Oh look, another fallacy. What you had to go through for another game is irrelevant. Nobody cares, really, we don't. We're talking about Dragon Age and the DLC, maybe you've heard of it? What happened in Mass Effect doesn't change what's happening here or whether or not it's acceptable.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:55 .

[kab]

lol u unable to put 2 brain cells together n maek coherent arg you ment?



I see stupid people, everywhere.

[JigPig]

So how do you enjoy living with your father, the mirror maker?

[kab]

Really? Are you really that terrible?



Idiocracy was prophetic.

[JigPig]

Seriously though, go play some DLC something.





Oh wai- LAWDY

[Viola Amadeus]

If anyone from BioWare is lurking on this thread, could you please confirm exactly what's going on with dlc drm? Thankyou.

[zebramanboy]

my downloadable content downloaded. blood dragon armor, golem and ring.

they are all at 100% but they are not on the installed content list i cant use them can anyone help me

[Viola Amadeus]

@zebramanboy; try this thread:

http://social.biowar.../58/index/81613

[LenaMarie]

Im amazed at the stupid people out there. This is DRM plain and simple, End of Story. All the Fanboyism in the world doesnt change this fact, if you think anything else, you are utterly delusional. Logging in all the time for a Single player game is unacceptable, period.



Fun fact: People who pirated DA and its DLCs have no problems with any of this AND they have every last item and DLC under the sun to boot. Its just paying customers who get shafted.

[JigPig]

LenaMarie wrote...

Im amazed at the stupid people out there. This is DRM plain and simple, End of Story. All the Fanboyism in the world doesnt change this fact, if you think anything else, you are utterly delusional. Logging in all the time for a Single player game is unacceptable, period.

Fun fact: People who pirated DA and its DLCs have no problems with any of this AND they have every last item and DLC under the sun to boot. Its just paying customers who get shafted.

[LenaMarie]

Face Palm all you want, it just makes you look Stupider and stupider. DRM is any system that regulates access to paid content, and thats exactly what DA does. Go Troll somewhere else.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 11:05 .

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:42 .

[LenaMarie]

Exactly, your a troll. You might be stupid enough to think DRM isnt a big deal, but to the rest of the world it is.

[JigPig]

Modifié par JigPig, 10 novembre 2009 - 10:42 .

[ShadeRage]

I have been having some issues with my DLC. It's constantly wanting to Authenticate and if for some reason it doesn't, it locks me out of my games until it does. Seriously is it needed every time you play your game? Couldn't it check once at installation and install i digitally generated registry key or something so you don't have to have a internet connection to access content that you have paid for?

[Caspian_dk]

I cant load any of my save games becourse of this crap, now memory band is sudenly unautorized.

Restartet game and pc etc and is logged in ingame what the **** is this cant play game due to this.