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[Decibelle]

 Hi everyone,

So I seem to have the issue most people do. During the little dispute between Jack and Miranda, I took Jack's side. Now these past few days I've struggled to find enough Paragon points to fill my bar up entirely; I googled about it, was directed to respec to that 100% passive moral point skill, which I did, and now after gaining Legion's loyalty I managed to separate Tali and him (?) during THEIR dispute by choosing the paragon option. This caused my paragon bar to fill out completely, I believe.

However, the paragon option for getting on good terms with Miranda again refuses to highlight. Won't I be able to regain her loyalty? 

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If she was to die during the suicide mission (I don't really give a damn anymore), would I loose additional members? I didn't gain Zaeeds loyalty either, but I heard that even 1 non-loyal squad member can cost the lives of two or such. Is this true?

[BeresaadSoldier]

It's pretty hard to get Miranda killed in the final mission. As long as you avoid taking her with you to the final boss fight or as a squadmate in the biotic bubble, she'll survive.

[spacehamsterZH]

BeresaadSoldier wrote...

It's pretty hard to get Miranda killed in the final mission. As long as you avoid taking her with you to the final boss fight or as a squadmate in the biotic bubble, she'll survive.

But if Zaeed and Miranda are both not loyal and he leaves them both at Hold the Line, I'd say there's a pretty good chance she'll die. And if not her, then Zaeed.

[Tlazolteotl]

Nah, it's cool.

I've managed to make it through, everyone surviving, with only 6 loyal squaddies.

I've heard it's been done with 4.

[BeresaadSoldier]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

BeresaadSoldier wrote...

It's pretty hard to get Miranda killed in the final mission. As long as you avoid taking her with you to the final boss fight or as a squadmate in the biotic bubble, she'll survive.

But if Zaeed and Miranda are both not loyal and he leaves them both at Hold the Line, I'd say there's a pretty good chance she'll die. And if not her, then Zaeed.

If Grunt is there to hold the line and is loyal, nobody dies.

[Akinra]

BeresaadSoldier wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

BeresaadSoldier wrote...

It's pretty hard to get Miranda killed in the final mission. As long as you avoid taking her with you to the final boss fight or as a squadmate in the biotic bubble, she'll survive.

But if Zaeed and Miranda are both not loyal and he leaves them both at Hold the Line, I'd say there's a pretty good chance she'll die. And if not her, then Zaeed.

If Grunt is there to hold the line and is loyal, nobody dies.

On my very first playhtrough I had everyone loyal except Jack and she died (with Grunt there to hold the line)

[OniGanon]

The best way to pass the check is to make it happen as early as possible and stick primarily to one side of the P/R scale. The Miranda/Jack conflict is easier to solve on the Renedage side btw.

Does anyone else think the whole loyalty thing influencing survival is a bit silly? I mean, loyalty to me makes falling debris less likely to kill you? How does that work?

Modifié par OniGanon, 24 avril 2010 - 02:59 .

[spacehamsterZH]

OniGanon wrote...
Does anyone else think the whole loyalty thing influencing survival is a bit silly? I mean, loyalty to me makes falling debris less likely to kill you? How does that work?

As I understand it, the idea is that after their loyalty quests, people's personal issues are resolved and they're "focused on the mission"; TIM's mission summaries say that about most of them. And since they're not distracted, their chances of survival are better.

I've always thought it was silly too, though. I would've preferred something like people refusing to take on certain dangerous tasks if they're not loyal, or taking off on their own and getting themselves killed.

[Cydrone]

A loyal squad is more willing to believe in Shep's ability to lead, allowing them to perform optimally.
A non-loyal squad member is more cautious, doubting Sheperd's ability and looking out for potential mistakes he might make that would get themselves killed. This hesitation would result in deaths, since they are not performing in in optimal condition.

Modifié par Cydrone, 24 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[smecky-kitteh]

if she's not loyal you have to leave garrus or jacob behind when going to fight the human larva. if you dont she will die. o and dont asign her to anything or she will get someone killed. well I guess she does that regardless of whether she's loyal or not.



it really bothers me that she gets special treatment over tali and garrus. why cant she suffer because of the players bad decisions just like every other charecter.

[spacehamsterZH]

Cydrone wrote...
This hesitation would result in deaths, since they are not performing in in optimal condition.

That's basically the in-game explanation, but you never really see it happen. Everything plays out exactly the same and the cutscenes just diverge at the very end with someone getting killed for no discernible reason. It's not totally unacceptable or anything, it just seems like a copout after all the buildup to the suicide mission.

[Decibelle]

Thanks for the help everyone I'm too loving for my own good, it's crazy how attached you get to these characters. I'd go nuts if any character I liked would die, haha.



Someone said "it's way more emotional to see your characters survive than see them die", I guess that's true. Again, thanks!

[smecky-kitteh]

yeah. i would be devistated if tali or garrus died which is wierd cus its just a game

[Xenon]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

BeresaadSoldier wrote...

It's pretty hard to get Miranda killed in the final mission. As long as you avoid taking her with you to the final boss fight or as a squadmate in the biotic bubble, she'll survive.

But if Zaeed and Miranda are both not loyal and he leaves them both at Hold the Line, I'd say there's a pretty good chance she'll die. And if not her, then Zaeed.

I don't know if there is some degree of random chance in hold the line deaths, but non-loyal Garrus+Miranda (Garrus and Zaeed have the high hold the line 'scores') survived in my most recent playthrough. If they hadn't, it would have been my first 'true' suicide mission.

[praetor_alpha]

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Decibelle wrote...

 Hi everyone,

So I seem to have the issue most people do. During the little dispute between Jack and Miranda, I took Jack's side. Now these past few days I've struggled to find enough Paragon points to fill my bar up entirely; I googled about it, was directed to respec to that 100% passive moral point skill, which I did, and now after gaining Legion's loyalty I managed to separate Tali and him (?) during THEIR dispute by choosing the paragon option. This caused my paragon bar to fill out completely, I believe.

I got a coeleased.ini (sp?) that gave me about 1700 paragon points, and the **** still wouldn't budge.

[Hellion_Mk1]

The &^$@# basically expects you to take her side. BioWare has a way of bringing out the inner ***** in a female.

[tonnactus]

I ask again:Why wasting time to get her loyal?

She didnt die in the suicide mission until shepardt take her to the final boss.

[Jackal904]

tonnactus wrote...

I ask again:Why wasting time to get her loyal?
She didnt die in the suicide mission until shepardt take her to the final boss.

Because some people are not just trying to beat the game as fast as possible?

Decibelle I had the same problem. I had a full paragon meter and I still couldn't convince her. But I just figured I'd bring her with me everytime on the suicide mission so that she won't die. Well obviously that didn't work out too well as she was turned into a pancake at the end. So, like several people have already said, just don't take her with you to the human reaper and she should survive.

[tonnactus]

Jackal904 wrote...


Because some people are not just trying to beat the game as fast as possible?

Her loyality mission was done.So for what?Dialog?(i dont now,do she have something to tell again when shepardt gain her loyality back)

[Jackal904]

tonnactus wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...


Because some people are not just trying to beat the game as fast as possible?

Her loyality mission was done.So for what?Dialog?(i dont now,do she have something to tell again when shepardt gain her loyality back)

Oh, well then maybe because they want her loyal? Is it not obvious? Whether or not she is loyal will carry over to ME3.

[Collider]

Decibelle I had the same problem. I had a full paragon meter and I still couldn't convince her.

Bioware had the bright idea that having too many renegade points makes you unable to use charm. :l

[Nu-Nu]

It's not very hard and you don't need as many paragon points as you do later if you do it near the begining. It also helps to carry over me1 points if you're going down the paragade (mix of renegade and paragon) route, I've managed to get both renegade and paragon options up at the same time. I don't think you'll be able to ever get miranda loyalty back once you've lost it. I know the option is there in grey after the fight but I don't think it's suppose to be.



She'll die no matter what, holding the line she'll die, final boss she'll die.

[Koralis]

praetor_alpha wrote...
]I got a coeleased.ini (sp?) that gave me about 1700 paragon points, and the **** still wouldn't budge.

Yeah, I'm convinced the "fix it" conversation is bugged.  I've tried twice and never gotten it to go blue.  I did resolve the initial convo once as a super-renegade, so no fix-it was needed.

[OniGanon]

Have you tried taking Miranda's side and then trying to patch it up with Jack?