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[Dasher10]

I'm used to playing the soldier and using adrenaline rush to increase damage in order to increase my damage with the widow and find that I'm able to increase it by 140% using the Hightened Adrenaline Rush ability. I find that Assasination Cloak only adds in a 75% damage modifier. Does the infiltrator's slowdown boost weapon damage or not? This will determine whether I pick assassin or agent as my specialization.

[xI extremist Ix]

I am pretty sure the slow down only helps you line up a shot.

[Atmosfear3]

No

[OniGanon]

Nope. Only indirectly by making it much easier to score a headshot.



I recommend Agent anyway though.

[Dasher10]

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

[xI extremist Ix]

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

The only difference is the Soldier cannot get the big sniper rifle, unless you have it. But you can still get the bolt action and viper ones.

[Hahren]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

The only difference is the Soldier cannot get the big sniper rifle, unless you have it. But you can still get the bolt action and viper ones.

The soldier can choose the Widow just like the inflitrator. Thinking of the infiltrator as just a sniper is a pretty shallow view of the class anyway.

[FoFoZem]

xI extremist Ix wrote...
The only difference is the Soldier cannot
get the big sniper rifle, unless you have it. But you can still get the
bolt action and viper ones.

The Soldier can get any of the specialized weapons. Including the Widow.

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

Yes, the Soldier is able to do more damage with each sniper shot, but the Infiltrator has a skillset dedicated to stealth.

It really all boils down to playstyle I guess.

[xI extremist Ix]

[quote]FoFoZem wrote...

[quote]xI extremist Ix wrote...
The only difference is the Soldier cannot
get the big sniper rifle, unless you have it. But you can still get the
bolt action and viper ones.

[/quote]
The Soldier can get any of the specialized weapons. Including the Widow.

Woops, forgot that the soldier has sniper training. My bad...

[Dasher10]

Still, if Bioware releases a patch, I'd like to see a damage bonus for the infiltrator's slowdown effect which when combined with cloak will allow me to one shot Harbinger with the widow. The damage bonus should be based on the % slowed down just like the soldier with a 100% bonus for agents and 120% for assassins. The damage is still less than the soldier's 140% but when combined with assassination cloak, it'll be the most powerful shot in the game.



I'm currently considering the shotgun instead of the widow now since my soldier used the widow and I only used the viper for all of fifteen minutes.

[OniGanon]

I heartily encourage more people to try shotguns on their Infiltrator. It's a little rough to get used to and probably not the greatest idea for a first-time player. But once you know the game, the layout, and a rough idea of where the enemies will be, it can be very effective. This may be hard to believe, but in many fights I've found my survivability actually goes up by cloak-shotgunning. This is because I can take the cover I want rather than the cover I'm given, I drastically reduce enemy spawns, and I don't spend so much time pinned down under a hail of fire.



I would make some vids to show everyone, but I'm lame and too accustomed to ME1 and other BioWare games- I always pause to use any powers, pause to correct my aim, pause to turn, pause to check my surroundings, pause to change weapons, pause to position my squadmates, and sometimes pause for the sheer hell of it. Would make for very boring viewing, I think.



To be honest, the Locust has made choosing the Widow more attractive than it used to be as it's much easier to preserve Widow ammo when you have a super accurate, automatic main weapon with lots of ammo. But the shotgun route (or, hell, even the cloak + Tempest route) can be a hell of a lot of fun, addicting, and surprisingly effective. It saddens me how little I see people talk about it on these boards, as if blind to any other possibility but hanging far back, making cloaked Widow shots all day.



As for which class is the better sniper with the Widow, I'd say that depends on how good a shot you are. If you can confidently make headshots without any slowdown at all, go Soldier. If not, Infiltrator. You have to be pretty confident though, since missing with the Widow is kinda like losing a finger.

[CommanderAdriel]

Nope.

[cruc1al]

OniGanon wrote...

I heartily encourage more people to try shotguns on their Infiltrator. It's a little rough to get used to and probably not the greatest idea for a first-time player. But once you know the game, the layout, and a rough idea of where the enemies will be, it can be very effective. This may be hard to believe, but in many fights I've found my survivability actually goes up by cloak-shotgunning. This is because I can take the cover I want rather than the cover I'm given, I drastically reduce enemy spawns, and I don't spend so much time pinned down under a hail of fire.

I second this. The idea is to first make sure that after you've shotgunned someone you have somewhere to take cover for 4-5 seconds until your cooldown is done (Agent helps here). Then just put on assassination cloak, get up close with the eviscerator and hit 'em in the face or torso and finish up with a melee if needed. IMO it's a more fun way to play the infiltrator, feels more like doing classic D&D sneak attacks rather than being lame and sniping everyone from your safe spot

OniGanon wrote...I would make some vids to show everyone, but I'm lame and too accustomed to ME1 and other BioWare games- I always pause to use any powers, pause to correct my aim, pause to turn, pause to check my surroundings, pause to change weapons, pause to position my squadmates, and sometimes pause for the sheer hell of it. Would make for very boring viewing, I think.

I could actually do a video to showcase the Infiltrator + Shotgun combo... In solo mode, of course ;P

Modifié par cruc1al, 24 avril 2010 - 07:46 .

[OniGanon]

Heh, I'd love to see that. So far I don't think I've seen a single vid from anyone showing an Infiltrator with a shotgun.



In the meantime I shall practice using hotkeys more. Or maybe just upload something with my chronic game pausing included. It might be at least educational if not as entertaining. >.>

[tonnactus]

Someone complaint about that infiltrators didnt come close to the soldier when it comes to weapon damage?

Well,vanguards doesnt get any bonuses for weapon damage.
And with their sprint speed and heightened adrenaline rush soldiers could reach point blank distance fast too...
But with acess to sniper rifles they dont even need that.

Modifié par tonnactus, 24 avril 2010 - 08:35 .

[mi55ter]

Infi + shotgun! Infi + shotgun! New class use! New class use!!!!!!!!! Please make vid!

Modifié par mi55ter, 24 avril 2010 - 08:36 .

[Omega-202]

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

That's a massive oversimplification.

Under Assassination Cloak, the Infiltrator gets a 75% bonus to damage so the overall damage gap isn't THAT big especially since both classes get the same weapon damage bonus in their class power.  Add in the fact that the Infiltrator can make the shot in complete safety as the enemy can't see them and can also land extra non-boosted head shots more easily due to the fact that the scope slow has no cooldown.

There are very few things that the extra damage is going to make a difference against.  Both can one shot Harbinger.  Outside of that, what does it matter?  Who else is going to stand up to that kind of onslaught besides a YMIR mech?  

[cruc1al]

tonnactus wrote...

Someone complaint about that infiltrators didnt come close to the soldier when it comes to weapon damage?

Well,vanguards doesnt get any bonuses for weapon damage.

Yes they do. They get +3%, +6%, +9%, and with Destroyer, +15%, however Champion is preferable because of the cooldown bonus. And their charge does physical damage (1000N for heavy charge), which helps to keep shotgun rounds per mob lower.

[cruc1al]

mi55ter wrote...

Infi + shotgun! Infi + shotgun! New class use! New class use!!!!!!!!! Please make vid!

Hahah, you crack me up. Ok I'll make a vid lol. I have an exam on monday so I can't guarantee I'll have time for it tomorrow though. Check it out in the Who Needs Squadmates thread when it arrives

[Dasher10]

Omega-202 wrote...

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

That's a massive oversimplification.

Under Assassination Cloak, the Infiltrator gets a 75% bonus to damage so the overall damage gap isn't THAT big especially since both classes get the same weapon damage bonus in their class power.  Add in the fact that the Infiltrator can make the shot in complete safety as the enemy can't see them and can also land extra non-boosted head shots more easily due to the fact that the scope slow has no cooldown.

There are very few things that the extra damage is going to make a difference against.  Both can one shot Harbinger.  Outside of that, what does it matter?  Who else is going to stand up to that kind of onslaught besides a YMIR mech?  

One shot on what difficulty? I play on veteran

[Omega-202]

Dasher10 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

That's a massive oversimplification.

Under Assassination Cloak, the Infiltrator gets a 75% bonus to damage so the overall damage gap isn't THAT big especially since both classes get the same weapon damage bonus in their class power.  Add in the fact that the Infiltrator can make the shot in complete safety as the enemy can't see them and can also land extra non-boosted head shots more easily due to the fact that the scope slow has no cooldown.

There are very few things that the extra damage is going to make a difference against.  Both can one shot Harbinger.  Outside of that, what does it matter?  Who else is going to stand up to that kind of onslaught besides a YMIR mech?  

One shot on what difficulty? I play on veteran

On Veteran, you should be able to one shot with full Assassination Cloak using the Mantis, let alone the Widow.

Anything extra is overkill.  

WIth an Infiltrator on Insanity, I've seen friends (yet to complete my Infiltrator Insanity run) one-shot Harbinger with the Widow, 3/5 sniper upgrades with the +headshot upgrade and headshot visor from cloak.  

On Veteran, you shouldn't even need half of that.  

[ScroguBlitzen]

Omega-202 wrote...

WIth an Infiltrator on Insanity, I've seen friends (yet to complete my Infiltrator Insanity run) one-shot Harbinger with the Widow, 3/5 sniper upgrades with the +headshot upgrade and headshot visor from cloak.  

No you haven't.  Harbinger cannot be one shot by an Infiltrator with the Widow on Insanity.  Even with all upgrades and damage pieces + Visor and Heavy Warp Ammo you will not take him down from his full Barrier with a single shot.

[Tlazolteotl]

I call hax. I've never been able to one-shot harbinger with anything.

Vanguard with claymore, Infiltrator with Widow, Soldier with anything.

Maybe it just looks like it 'cos the squadmates finish him off while Shep is coming out of zoom.

[Urazz]

Dasher10 wrote...

So in other words, the Soldier is a better sniper than the infiltrator?

Not really.  The soldier's slow down only really allows a single shot every few seconds because adrenaline rush is timed so that you only get one shot with the single shot sniper rifles.  If you want to maximize the amount of shots you do while in adrenaline rush then you'll want to go with the viper sniper rifle.

The soldier gets the most burst damage with the widow/heightened adrenaline rush but they don't do the most damage with a sniper rifle over a period of time.  The infiltrator wins that one since his/her slowdown is whenever he/she aims with the sniper rifle and so gets more shots in than the soldier over a period of time.

[Omega-202]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I call hax. I've never been able to one-shot harbinger with anything.
Vanguard with claymore, Infiltrator with Widow, Soldier with anything.
Maybe it just looks like it 'cos the squadmates finish him off while Shep is coming out of zoom.

I stand corrected.  Just IM'ed the friend I had witnessed this with and he was using hotkeyed Warps on Miranda/Thane while scoped in.  He's gotten it down to a science where he pulls off those Area Reave/Area Pull/Unstable Warp combos so that they look like one single attack and that's exactly the kind of thing he does with his sniping.

Tier 3 or Unstable Warp + the previously mentioned snipe setup was what was "one-shotting" Harbinger.