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[CalJones]

Heh, yes. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

Fixed my typos in the previous post. This is what happens when you post after just waking up. Doh.

[Axekix]

My "main" DA character is my HNM warrior, and in his playthrough I romanced both Morrigan and Leliana.  In the end he wound up with Morrigan though. 

I play him as kind of a crass playboy who was never really religious to begin with (and completely takes his family/status for granted).  The Highever masacre however serves as a very rude awakening for him and he completely loses whatever faith he had in the "Maker". 

So his jaded personality makes him butt heads with Lel a lot at first.  He doesn't see her as a LI at all initially.  He just sees her as a preachy, annoying "chantry sister."  Over time though they become closer as her cheery optimism rubs off on him just a teeny bit as he comes to respect her.

He chases Morrigan from the get go though for her obvious charms (looking for nothing more than another fling) and unexpectedly winds up completely falling for her as she opens up to him. 

I've completed the Lel romance before, and I'm working on the Alistair one now.  Never done Zev...  But so far the Morrigan story is by far my favorite.  The fact that there is no nice, neatly wrapped up happy ending only intrigues me more.  I really hope it will be continued in DA2

[rex taylor]

I find the appeal of Leliana to be great, since, to me she appears to express true love. Mainly in her dialogue, but it may just be her rouge skills.

[Master Shiori]

My "canonical" Warden ended up with Morrigan.



First it was more a matter of being cuirous about the mysterious Witch that joined me and over time developed into a fully blossomed romance.



Even today, after having tried the other romances, I can say Morrigan is the one that appeals to me the most.

[CalJones]

rex taylor wrote...

I find the appeal of Leliana to be great, since, to me she appears to express true love. Mainly in her dialogue, but it may just be her rouge skills.

Would that be the Orlesian rouge you see on a shopping list in Redcliffe? I would imagine a bard skilled at seducation would be pretty good at applying cosmetics.

[Tinnic]

Mage went with Alistair then made Alistair king, since Alistair was unhardened, he broke up with her (bastard!). So she ended up alone. Ironically she did the dark ritual. Although thinking back, she would have been a good candidate for Ultimate Sacrifice. She went with Alistair because she had a thing for Templars and had enjoyed Cullen's attention towards her. Alistair was a Templar with no vows and no hate of mages. He was a perfect!



Dalish rogue accidentally found herself with Alistair, Leliana and Zevran in love with her. She was never interested in Leliana but did find herself torn between Alistair and Zevran. In the end she went with Zevran because all said and done, humans made her uncomfortable. She made the Ulimate Sacrifice after making Alistair king. She knew it would devastate Zevran but after Tamlin she couldn't watch another friend die and she didn't think she could in all good concious let Morrigan to the Dark Ritual.



City Elf went with Alistair, after leading Zevran and Leliana on for a bit. The idea that a human lord can actually love her fascinated her. She also made the Ultimate Sacrifice after putting a hardened Alistair on the throne married to Anora. She didn't take the Dark Ritual because when she left the Alienage her father told her to be wise and she didn't think taking the Dark Ritual was wise. She left Alistair at the gate because she knew that he would sacrifice himself and although Nelaros was an arranged marriage, he was a good man, who had come to her rescue even though he was no warrior and died in front of her. She decided that enough good men had sacrificed themselves for her and Alistair, the man she loved, wasn't going to join the list.



So yes, all my character to date (except the Orlesian Warden) have been elves and most went with the tragic romance that leaves their surviving LI's devastated! Especially Zevran! Poor Zevran!

[Xandurpein]

Morrigan if I feel up to the emotional rollercoaster and heartbreaking bittersweet end. Leliana if I just want a happy end.

[Lowenhart]

ArawnNox wrote...

So, I'm on my second playthrough with my sexy Surana (current avatar) and I'm trying to play with there being a tug of war between Zevran and Leliana for her affections. I'm not sure who she'll end up with. On my first playthrough, I did the obligatory Cousland/Alistair King and Queen ending, though I'm not sure it was truley an In Character thing to do.

Now, I pose this to all of your, since I'm curious. Who did your Grey Warden end up with (if any) and what roleplay reasons did you have for the relationship?

Suppose as mage Zevran would seem the better choice as he a bit loose and adventurous, and also he has alot of interest in the Dalish which i suppose would make for good roleplay if you have a elf female mage, who grown up under circles strict tutor, and dont know much about her past, but also might wanna find out her new place being a warden and somewhat free of the circle and templar vigilance.

I dont think Leliana would add much to your origin but ofcause she isnt a bad choice either i suppose, but you can somewhat feel swallowed away from your own storyline with her obsessiveness with the maker and Andraste.

EDIT: But put in practical terms Leliana will provide better rogue utilities such as trap disarm, open locks and pick pockets, than Zevran if you dont mean you use both in party at same time.

Modifié par Lowenhart, 25 avril 2010 - 11:52 .

[Yendi]

I try to roleplay my characters but it's hard to do different romances when Zevran is the only romance option I really like. Female city elf and male mage elf is the only ones I’ve finished so far and they have both ended up with him. The city elf was disgusted by the thought of intimate contact with humans and felt closer to Zevran with his background and the mage wasn’t very interested in the female options and found Zevran fascinating and the only one that cared more about him than his mission.

My female dwarf noble tried to romance Leilana but couldn’t stand her talk about the chantry and shoes for a longer period. She will probably also be with Zevran after that since she intends to go back to dwarwen politics after the blight and having an assassin around would be so handy.

My female human noble is a very cynical person that dumped Alistair after a short romance and is not interested in anyone else while my male noble haven't quite decided between Zevran/Morrigan yet (but he will probably marry Anora in the end).

Modifié par Yendi, 25 avril 2010 - 12:09 .

[Aisynia]

My romance of choice is Leliana.



I can't manage to play a male so haven't done Morrigan's romance.



Alistair is an overgrown child. While his goofiness and sense of humor can be somewhat appealing, and I do indeed romance him every few playthroughs, he usually gets on my nerves.



Zevran grosses me out. I have done his romance all the way through only once. I like him as a friend, but not as a lover. He's the type of guy I would avoid a relationship with in real life, while Alistair, I might give him a chance.



I happen to lean more towards females anyways, which helps Leli out... but she also happens to be the sweetest, most genuine member of your group. She is genuine, intelligent, kind-hearted, open-minded, has optimism tempered by realism, and she's just plain sweet. She's exactly the kind of person I prefer in the real world (my RL girlfriend is somewhat like her, in all the right ways).



So she's my romance of choice, for sure. I just gravitate towards her.

[shedevil3001]

my hfn romances alistair as he is with her from the start, he understands the grey warden taint thing, which means they both will die about the same time roughly, he made her laugh and he was really sweet, she wanted a man who would sweep her off her feet, and alistair was that man, she hardened him and made him king with her ruling beside him, purely because anora betrayed them when trying to rescue her, also all she cared about was keeping her throne, alistair on the other hand didn't really want to be king, but she had seen him and how much he cared about saving fereldon and the people, this made her realize he was perfect to rule even if he didn't see it, he would have her at his side to help, and she got to marry the man she loved.



cfe she also romanced alistair out of fascination with how much he loved her, also because they had the whole grey warden connection which the others didn't really understand, her people had been hurt most by loghain so she understood alistairs hatered of loghain and wanted him dead as much as he did, she made him king and continued to be his lover as there was no way in hell she would put the daughter of loghain, the man who sold her father to slavery, on the throne.



hfm she also romanced alistair even though she tried to push him away at first, her fascination with a templar who found mages intresting was to much for her to resist, but come the landsmeet she chose to recruit loghain, and lost alistair, but managed to get him to marry anora, she didnt do the dr, and did the us, as she was broken up over losing alistair

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, Leliana is the one romance I cannot stand. She drives me up the wall. >.> And I tried, I really did. But romancing her was just so agonizing. Have I missed something about her that makes it less awful?

Just focus on her cute accent and not on what she's saying. Simple.

[Aisynia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, Leliana is the one romance I cannot stand. She drives me up the wall. >.> And I tried, I really did. But romancing her was just so agonizing. Have I missed something about her that makes it less awful?

Just focus on her cute accent and not on what she's saying. Simple.

Still failing to understand how what she is saying is so bad >.>

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aisynia wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, Leliana is the one romance I cannot stand. She drives me up the wall. >.> And I tried, I really did. But romancing her was just so agonizing. Have I missed something about her that makes it less awful?

Just focus on her cute accent and not on what she's saying. Simple.

Still failing to understand how what she is saying is so bad >.>

I am mostly joking. I love Leliana and almost always have her in my party.
The eyelashes comment might be a bit weird, but not as creepy as some people make it out to be. It's just weird in a cute way.
She doesn't stand a chance when Morrigan is around, but I did manage to make characters that chose Leli.

Too bad my canonical Cousland Prince can't keep her as his personal bard-assassin. He can keep her as his mistress (if hardened), but he wouldn't do that as he is loyal to Morrigan.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 avril 2010 - 03:19 .

[ejoslin]

Aisynia wrote...

My romance of choice is Leliana.

I can't manage to play a male so haven't done Morrigan's romance.

Alistair is an overgrown child. While his goofiness and sense of humor can be somewhat appealing, and I do indeed romance him every few playthroughs, he usually gets on my nerves.

Zevran grosses me out. I have done his romance all the way through only once. I like him as a friend, but not as a lover. He's the type of guy I would avoid a relationship with in real life, while Alistair, I might give him a chance.

I happen to lean more towards females anyways, which helps Leli out... but she also happens to be the sweetest, most genuine member of your group. She is genuine, intelligent, kind-hearted, open-minded, has optimism tempered by realism, and she's just plain sweet. She's exactly the kind of person I prefer in the real world (my RL girlfriend is somewhat like her, in all the right ways).

So she's my romance of choice, for sure. I just gravitate towards her.

Ugh, I was NOT going to ask this, but now I'm curious.

Seeing as Zevran and Leliana have very similar sexual histories (both used seduction to get to their marks so were extremely promiscuous by nature of their profession), why does Zevran gross you out but not Leliana?  I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm just very curious about this!

I think it's actually a bit of a refreshing change, that a male is more harshly judged than a female for having an extremely varied sexual past.  Or is it something else entirely?

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2010 - 03:23 .

[Aisynia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, Leliana is the one romance I cannot stand. She drives me up the wall. >.> And I tried, I really did. But romancing her was just so agonizing. Have I missed something about her that makes it less awful?

Just focus on her cute accent and not on what she's saying. Simple.

Still failing to understand how what she is saying is so bad >.>

I am mostly joking. I love Leliana and almost always have her in my party.
The eyelashes comment might be a bit weird, but not as creepy as some people make it out to be. It's just weird in a cute way.
She doesn't stand a chance when Morrigan is around, but I did manage to make characters that chose Leli.

Too bad my canonical Cousland Prince can't keep her as his personal bard-assassin. He can keep her as his mistress (if hardened), but he wouldn't do that as he is loyal to Morrigan.

She doesn't really mean she wants to catch your eyelashes like butterflies. She's a bard, she loves story and metaphor.. she's just being poetic ON TOP of playing around. She is not even remotely serious.. Any response you pick should make that abundantly clear.

Some people I suppose don't understand that. Everyone has different personal boundaries I guess, but this is pretty low on the "potentially creepy" scale for me.

As for watching you while you sleep, I don't see an issue with it. She woke up earlier, didn't want to leave your side, so she looked at you fondly while you slept. If you are in love with each other, this shoudln't trigger any bizarre feelings.

I think I said it in this thread or another. I have woken up next to my lover early. I had the option of getting up, but I mean, I just wanted to be with her, so I laid there, snuggled, and smiled and looked at her, and she is so peaceful and cute when she's asleep, I can just look at her and smile fondly and think about how much I love her. Not seeing anything creepy here, just something that identified Leliana as a character: A genuine heart.

Modifié par Aisynia, 25 avril 2010 - 03:25 .

[Aisynia]

ejoslin wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

My romance of choice is Leliana.

I can't manage to play a male so haven't done Morrigan's romance.

Alistair is an overgrown child. While his goofiness and sense of humor can be somewhat appealing, and I do indeed romance him every few playthroughs, he usually gets on my nerves.

Zevran grosses me out. I have done his romance all the way through only once. I like him as a friend, but not as a lover. He's the type of guy I would avoid a relationship with in real life, while Alistair, I might give him a chance.

I happen to lean more towards females anyways, which helps Leli out... but she also happens to be the sweetest, most genuine member of your group. She is genuine, intelligent, kind-hearted, open-minded, has optimism tempered by realism, and she's just plain sweet. She's exactly the kind of person I prefer in the real world (my RL girlfriend is somewhat like her, in all the right ways).

So she's my romance of choice, for sure. I just gravitate towards her.

Ugh, I was NOT going to ask this, but now I'm curious.

Seeing as Zevran and Leliana have very similar sexual histories (both used seduction to get to their marks so were extremely promiscuous by nature of their profession), why does Zevran gross you out but not Leliana?  I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm just very curious about this!

I think it's actually a bit of a refreshing change, that a male is more harshly judged than a female for having an extremely varied sexual past.  Or is it something else entirely?

I don't know, I will be honest. Probably that Leliana doesn't make a point of it. Zevran, on no uncertain terms, makes sure it's obvious that he sleeps around. Even if you don't ask him about his sexual history, he doesn't have to say anything to make it clear. I mean, when recruiting him, he makes a pass at both you AND Leliana while laying on the ground, tied up.

Leliana gave me the impression that her lifestyle was not as extreme as Zevran's. That DOESN'T mean it doesn't bug me. In fact, I had no idea for the longest time, because she will only mention it really in some party banters, or during a specific dialogue option you need high approval to choose. so I didn't know at first, while it was obvious what Zevran had done from the get go.

Like I said, Leliana gave me the impression she was less extreme about it. And again, I will not pretend it doesn't bother me at all. When she mentions these kinds of things, I am like "Okay, jealous now! Please stop.." lol Goes beyond jealousy though. There are some things about your lover's past that you might not WANT to know.

Drinking a thimble of dwarven ale and waking up a week later in Jader in nothing but a towel and shoes?

Oh man.... I didn't have to know that.. my face was like <--Super uncomfortable.

As for judging the man or woman harsher, I dunno. Like I said, I don't dislike Zevran.. it just seems like Zevran got himself intentionally into things he didn't have to while Leliana gives me the impression it's either business, or complete accident. Zevran gives me that.. "men are dogs" vibe, I hate to say it, as he has screwed people when he had no reason to other than just screwing them, like that mage he was supposed to assassinate who broke her neck.

I am a female who tends to lean towards females anyways when it comes to relationships and who I seek out, but I can't pretend I understand the psychology of whether that has an effect on my judgment.

Modifié par Aisynia, 25 avril 2010 - 03:36 .

[ejoslin]

There are a few dialog options I can think of, but you're right, she doesn't discuss it as openly. She's not as open as Zevran is for sure, and I understand why that makes someone uncomfortable. And you're right; Zevran will admit that the reason he had sex with everyone was to make things more interesting. Leliana, though, just with a few comments made me pause.



Thank you for your answer! I understand quite a bit better now!

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...

There are a few dialog options I can think of, but you're right, she doesn't discuss it as openly. She's not as open as Zevran is for sure, and I understand why that makes someone uncomfortable. And you're right; Zevran will admit that the reason he had sex with everyone was to make things more interesting. Leliana, though, just with a few comments made me pause.

Thank you for your answer! I understand quite a bit better now!

Another point on this. Leliana is trying to change and it's clear that she had embraced a new lifestyle (unless hardened, she is very serious about relationships and sex in general). Zevran on the otherhand doens't show like he wants to change (unless when romanced and at the very end).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 avril 2010 - 03:47 .

[Aisynia]

Well I must add that Zevran is the kind of person who will just get pleasure wherever he can take it while Leliana wants an actual connection and love. Her past was solely for her job. Her personal life was one in pursuit of actual romance. Marjolaine may have manipulated her and betrayed her, but Leliana LOVED her, very dearly. It wasn't a fling. Leliana doesn't want a fling, while Zevran is just fine with one.



Stronger standards.



That desire for actual love and actual companionship beyond physical pleasure is a huge deal breaker for me. If Zevran and Leliana are both between 50-74 and you have slept with Zevran, she will confront you about it, and part of the conversation can really highlight their differences in that regard. It's a very interesting and emotional conversation. You and her are not officially in a relationship yet, so she knows she's overstepping her bounds, but some of what can be said between the two of you certainly makes her views on sex very, VERY clear in a distinct contrast to his.

[ejoslin]

Aisynia wrote...

Well I must add that Zevran is the kind of person who will just get pleasure wherever he can take it while Leliana wants an actual connection and love. Her past was solely for her job. Her personal life was one in pursuit of actual romance. Marjolaine may have manipulated her and betrayed her, but Leliana LOVED her, very dearly. It wasn't a fling. Leliana doesn't want a fling, while Zevran is just fine with one.

Stronger standards.

That desire for actual love and actual companionship beyond physical pleasure is a huge deal breaker for me. If Zevran and Leliana are both between 50-74 and you have slept with Zevran, she will confront you about it, and part of the conversation can really highlight their differences in that regard. It's a very interesting and emotional conversation. You and her are not officially in a relationship yet, so she knows she's overstepping her bounds, but some of what can be said between the two of you certainly makes her views on sex very, VERY clear in a distinct contrast to his.

With Leliana, the standard is 51+ - 70 and you have to have slept with Zevran (yes, I'm a toolset addict -- I've also done her romance).  Once you have both at 71+, both will force you to make a choice, though Zevran says it's about the other person.

With Zevran, being in a committed relationship is the last thing he wants, true, and it never occurs to him that it may happen.  Which is why, for me, that when that is the only way he'll be with the warden, not only committed, but wanting a promise of the future should they survive, is so touching.  He falls in love despite himself, rather than falling in love because he wants to. 

I will point out that he is just as faithful as the other romance partners once in a relationship.

Edit: Took out romance ending spoiler.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2010 - 03:52 .

[Aisynia]

Elps wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

My romance of choice is Leliana.

I can't manage to play a male so haven't done Morrigan's romance.

Alistair is an overgrown child. While his goofiness and sense of humor can be somewhat appealing, and I do indeed romance him every few playthroughs, he usually gets on my nerves.

Zevran grosses me out. I have done his romance all the way through only once. I like him as a friend, but not as a lover. He's the type of guy I would avoid a relationship with in real life, while Alistair, I might give him a chance.

I happen to lean more towards females anyways, which helps Leli out... but she also happens to be the sweetest, most genuine member of your group. She is genuine, intelligent, kind-hearted, open-minded, has optimism tempered by realism, and she's just plain sweet. She's exactly the kind of person I prefer in the real world (my RL girlfriend is somewhat like her, in all the right ways).

So she's my romance of choice, for sure. I just gravitate towards her.

Ugh, I was NOT going to ask this, but now I'm curious.

Seeing as Zevran and Leliana have very similar sexual histories (both used seduction to get to their marks so were extremely promiscuous by nature of their profession), why does Zevran gross you out but not Leliana?  I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm just very curious about this!

I think it's actually a bit of a refreshing change, that a male is more harshly judged than a female for having an extremely varied sexual past.  Or is it something else entirely?

I don't know, I will be honest. Probably that Leliana doesn't make a point of it. Zevran, on no uncertain terms, makes sure it's obvious that he sleeps around. Even if you don't ask him about his sexual history, he doesn't have to say anything to make it clear. I mean, when recruiting him, he makes a pass at both you AND Leliana while laying on the ground, tied up.

Leliana gave me the impression that her lifestyle was not as extreme as Zevran's. That DOESN'T mean it doesn't bug me. In fact, I had no idea for the longest time, because she will only mention it really in some party banters, or during a specific dialogue option you need high approval to choose. so I didn't know at first, while it was obvious what Zevran had done from the get go.

Like I said, Leliana gave me the impression she was less extreme about it. And again, I will not pretend it doesn't bother me at all. When she mentions these kinds of things, I am like "Okay, jealous now! Please stop.." lol Goes beyond jealousy though. There are some things about your lover's past that you might not WANT to know.

Drinking a thimble of dwarven ale and waking up a week later in Jader in nothing but a towel and shoes?

Oh man.... I didn't have to know that.. my face was like <--Super uncomfortable.

As for judging the man or woman harsher, I dunno. Like I said, I don't dislike Zevran.. it just seems like Zevran got himself intentionally into things he didn't have to while Leliana gives me the impression it's either business, or complete accident. Zevran gives me that.. "men are dogs" vibe, I hate to say it, as he has screwed people when he had no reason to other than just screwing them, like that mage he was supposed to assassinate who broke her neck.

I am a female who tends to lean towards females anyways when it comes to relationships and who I seek out, but I can't pretend I understand the psychology of whether that has an effect on my judgment.

It's interesting how people see things differently. In my Leliana romance my PC was uncomfortable because he felt she was being manipulative and withholding the truth. Zevran, on the other hand, is totally open and honest. Leliana talks about how she manipulates people, how they can be preyed on. With Zevran, sex is sex - no emotional manipulation involved.

With the mage, Zevran didn't necessarily initiate sex. She used him in the hope of getting the assassins to let her live. He was touched by her and decided not to kill her but to take her plea back to the Crows. Then she broke her neck, he discovered he had been used, and despite learning that she had intended to have him dumped in the wilderness he was still sorry she had died. He learned a lesson from that.

Leliana, on the other hand, was part of a strong party that removed any threat of Marjolaine being able to kill her. Yet, despite declaring that she had really loved Marjolaine, she was okay with killing her. That was the point where my PC decided to get out of that relationship 

I don't think she was THAT okay with killing her.

"She's dead... she's dead because of me.. I need time to think.. we will talk later."

Her initial reaction is to make Marjolaine leave. The PC has to tell Leliana that killing her is for the best, and even then, Leliana doesn't like it. She recognizes its necessity, but doesn't like it. She may have loved her in the past, but getting betrayed and then hunted by the person who said she loved you can quickly change your view on things.

If you don't betray her and give her to Orlesian authorities who rape and abuse her, I think you're probably not in any danger of her stabbing you in your sleep

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, Leliana is the one romance I cannot stand. She drives me up the wall. >.> And I tried, I really did. But romancing her was just so agonizing. Have I missed something about her that makes it less awful?

Just focus on her cute accent and not on what she's saying. Simple.

Yeah, don't really like her voice anymore either, so that doesn't help.  <.<