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[Aisynia]

I actually want to get the ending this time where Alistair breaks up with you and then sacrifices himself after saying he regrets doing so. Any advice on ensuring that happens?

[nos_astra]

Aisynia wrote...
I actually want to get the ending this time where Alistair breaks up with you and then sacrifices himself after saying he regrets doing so. Any advice on ensuring that happens?

Make him King, don't marry him (results in break-up), refuse the ritual, don't leave him at the gates.

Could be tricky to get him to break-up when he's hardened. He needs to be flagged still-in-love and I don't know if you can screw it up when you don't go for the mistress thing. So careful in that dialogue.

Modifié par klarabella, 25 avril 2010 - 07:21 .

[Aisynia]

I'll be playing as a mage if that makes any difference.

[nos_astra]

Aisynia wrote...

I'll be playing as a mage if that makes any difference.

No, shoulnd't make any difference except that the "I'll rule beside him" option is unsuccessful.

[Aisynia]

I thought he had to actually end the romance, as in, no mistress option, and then at the top of the fort he would express regret and kill himself...?



Am I off here?

[sylvanaerie]

They are talking about this on the current Alistair gush page. I didn't know either but you can break up with him, keep him flagged at "in Love" and marry him at the end as well. I should think it would work with the AD munchie munch time too. The poster is saying that if he doesn't lose approval he will stay flagged at love when you break up with him.

[spell trigger]

klarabella wrote...

spell trigger wrote...
I think that "unhappy ending" of Alistair's romance is one of the best parts of the game. I know that "happy ending" is also available, but Alistair making sacrifices (in order to fulfill his duty as a king) fits much better into the DAO story.

Alistair has several endings and even the happier endings aren't always easy, that's why I like the romance so much. I never pick the same ending and my favourite ending at the moment is to send him away at the Landsmeet after I spared Loghain and recruited him into the Wardens. It was tricky to roleplay (because I don't see many reasons to spare him) but I loved how hard it was to play through the Final Onslaught ... and how Awakening was full of double entendre.

What a way to end a romance.
I hope I can finish a character where they end up together as Wardens to make up for the heartbreak I caused on the last playthrough. The happiest ending you can get for them.

Other romances can also result in different endings, but that will not affect the entire outcome/epilogue of the game.

Ending with Alistair and the PC, where Alistair remains with the Wardens, is probably the worst possible outcome for Ferelden, because Alistair should be the King in the end (alone, with PC or with Anora at his side), imo.

On personal level, Alistair will be happy with PC, because he never wanted to be the King in the first place, but as a result, he will also never have the chance to make any positive changes in Ferelden, and he'll never get a chance to surpass his own fear of leadership.

Perhaps none of the Alistair romance endings are completely "happy" and this is one of those things that make the game so interesting and entertaining.

[spell trigger]

Aisynia wrote...

I actually want to get the ending this time where Alistair breaks up with you and then sacrifices himself after saying he regrets doing so. Any advice on ensuring that happens?

I did this in my HN playthrough, and I was careful to avoid any dialogue options marked with "Persuade" (during and after the Landsmeet).

It's one of the most dramatic endings within the game, but the lack reaction regarding his death, during the epilogue scene was really terrible... Probably due to rushed game development at the very end.

[MOTpoetryION]

how can you pick anyone else she is just so sweet. wanted to share my screenie : )

[CalJones]

That's the ending I got by accident (sort of) on my Dalish. I'd intended for them to be wardens together, but let him duel Loghain, which lead to him declaring himself king (despite the fact I'd said I'd support Anora, which he said he was relieved about. Harrumph). He then broke up with my Dalish. For some reason the mistress thing didn't work (had 4 in persuade and picked what I thought were the correct options), don't know why - he went to friendly from love. Still got the goodbye kiss on the roof before he went off to kill the AD.

[spell trigger]

ejoslin wrote...

For most people, yes, if you take him with you, you get his friendship dialog.  Some people don't have that (though I have no clue WHY it would work for them unless it was patch 1.01 which buggered it).  If you can't tell him you love him there, you're getting the wrong dialog.  If you're interested, this is the proper dialog (video NOT made by me).

Thanks for awesome mods, ejoslin. It's great to have correct dialogues in the game, especially at the gates.

BTW, Zevran's "in love" dialogue at the gates probably contains another Star Wars Easter egg:

[this isnt my name]

Morrigan, I found her character annoying,but funn and entertaining, she looks better then leliana and has one hell of a voice. I deleted that character though after seeing faults, so I now have a reason to re romance and plan out why my char romances her.

[Sarah1281]

You can definitely avoid getting him to declare himself King by convincing Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet. You don't have to actually go through with it (and if Alistair kills Loghain then she won't) but it lets you choose.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 avril 2010 - 08:27 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You can definitely avoid getting him to declare himself King by convincing Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet. You don't have to actually go through with it (and if Alistair kills Anora then she won't) but it lets you choose.

You mean if he kills Loghain.  As far as I know he just puts Anora into the tower cause she won't take the oath.

[Sarah1281]

Not if you get them to agree to marry. She won't go through with it but it evidentally never occured to him that she might have a problem with that. I guess to be fair to him, she has shown herself obsessed with keeping the throne so if that's what it took to get it, he probably thought she'd accept it. That's why I had such a difficult time getting Alistair to declare himself King: I always pre-engaged the pair.

Edit: Yes, he does have her locked up...for now. Hardened he qualifies his decision as foolish to kill her while he might die during the Blight. Afterwards...well it doesn't sound good for her.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 avril 2010 - 08:28 .

[ejoslin]

spell trigger wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

For most people, yes, if you take him with you, you get his friendship dialog.  Some people don't have that (though I have no clue WHY it would work for them unless it was patch 1.01 which buggered it).  If you can't tell him you love him there, you're getting the wrong dialog.  If you're interested, this is the proper dialog (video NOT made by me).

Thanks for awesome mods, ejoslin. It's great to have correct dialogues in the game, especially at the gates.

BTW, Zevran's "in love" dialogue at the gates probably contains another Star Wars Easter egg:

Hah, yeh, you're right! I never made that association before.  

And thank you.  My fix is not perfect, but it is so much better!  :happy:  

Edit: With Alistair, still-in-love basically happens if the relationship ends because of his future as king.  This can be established as early as the "where are we going" talk after he falls in love or it can happen if he dumps the warden.  It is heartbreaking   If you break up with him for someone else, though, he gets over it!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2010 - 08:44 .

[Aisynia]

spell trigger wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I actually want to get the ending this time where Alistair breaks up with you and then sacrifices himself after saying he regrets doing so. Any advice on ensuring that happens?

I did this in my HN playthrough, and I was careful to avoid any dialogue options marked with "Persuade" (during and after the Landsmeet).

It's one of the most dramatic endings within the game, but the lack reaction regarding his death, during the epilogue scene was really terrible... Probably due to rushed game development at the very end.

So if he dumps me after the landsmeet, and then I bring him to the archdemon, I will get that ending?

[spell trigger]

Aisynia wrote...

spell trigger wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I actually want to get the ending this time where Alistair breaks up with you and then sacrifices himself after saying he regrets doing so. Any advice on ensuring that happens?

I did this in my HN playthrough, and I was careful to avoid any dialogue options marked with "Persuade" (during and after the Landsmeet).

It's one of the most dramatic endings within the game, but the lack reaction regarding his death, during the epilogue scene was really terrible... Probably due to rushed game development at the very end.

So if he dumps me after the landsmeet, and then I bring him to the archdemon, I will get that ending?

Yes, it's one way to get that ending, even if you start the romance with some other companion, after being dumped by Alistair.

But, according to ejoslin's post above, still-in-love flag that triggers that ending can also be set during the "where are we going" conversation (i.e. when relationship ends because of his future as king).

[Aisynia]

Thank you

[Merilsell]

For me it's really simple.

Female= Alistair <3
Male= the rest

xD

I have various playthroughs and yet to resist Alistair's charm when playing a FemWarden (which is mostly the case anyway). It's simply downward impossible.

I'm a weak, weak woman, lol.

Though I have to say I'm not much of a fan of the HNF- romance with Alistair. I like it, but it is plain in some kind of way. I love the elven ones far more, because there are so many obstacles in their way, the struggling to find an understanding for each other and that yummy 'it isn't allowed to be'- feeling I had with my Dalish for example <3

Far more interesting than to simply marry him and be queen imo.
Also Alistair is like his father and has a thing for elves [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Why I love this romance? To keep it short and without giving a full character essay: it is definitely the dedication and the love Alistair shows for his lady,--THE ONE for him-- that I downright adore.

It goes deeper than it appears to be at first sight. 

[Aisynia]

Why I love this romance? To keep it short and without giving a full character essay: it is definitely the dedication and the love Alistair shows for his lady,--THE ONE for him-- that I downright adore.

Unless you show an act of mercy towards an enemy who surrenders, at which point, he leaves you forever. Yeah, sure is dedicated.

Your charming man hates Loghain more than he loves you.

Modifié par Aisynia, 26 avril 2010 - 12:51 .

[Sarah1281]

No one's perfect?

[sylvanaerie]

That's why this game is so much fun. To each his own. You dislike him but others don't feel the same.



Everyone has their breaking point Aisynia. Alistair has the potential to be one of the most loyal Love Interests depending on how you play your game. Of course if you push his trigger hes going to leave you. You just stabbed him in the back by letting his worst enemy live. What of all the people who died because of Loghain's actions? They don't get a chance for their voice to be heard, in my mind, Alistair is all the voice they get.



If you harden him, he fights for your love and refuses to set you aside for duty. Its all in what you do, how you play the game.

[Aisynia]

I wouldn't stay with someone who placed their hatred for another person over their love for me. That's just wrong.



I won't call it petty because he had plenty of reason to hate him. However, when you place hatred for en enemy above your love for your significant other, you have your priorities wrong.. just to start.



That's certainly not what I call devotion. Ugh now I'm getting mad at Alistair all over again, and I was about to start a romance with him. Guys like him just ****** me off. "Oh look I'm funny and goofy and cute and I make jokes and I'm charming. Oh I love you, you are so beautiful and amazing.. oh wait, you spared the guy who SURRENDERED!? Well then go to hell! I'm done with you ****!"

[sylvanaerie]

and what of the PC who puts "being right" ahead of her love? Your argument has two points of view. Is Alistair not allowed to have his own point of view on it or does devotion equal blind devotion to whatever the PC wants? Thats not love, thats slavery.