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[Meliorist13]

For Male PC's Morrigan is the only way to go. I'm with Phoenix, I could
write tomes on her.

I like Lelianna also, however she has a
major flaw. She loves being a Bard, and doing whatever is required to
fulfill that role. However, she has this religious quirk wherein she
does not like to kill unless required or necessary, she is devout
concerning the maker and expresses such to excess, and the whole, I must
love you to sleep with you thing.....*sigh* She won't hesitate to
spread her legs to further a Bard mission, but she has to 'love' you to
sleep with you???? Something wrong with that picture...I'm sorry.

Modifié par Meliorist13, 26 avril 2010 - 11:40 .

[Aisynia]

klarabella wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
Thing is,
I could excuse a lot of it if he just came and talked later after
cooling down.. but his decision, heat of the moment or not, is FINAL.
And that's IT.

Oh, there are even RP reasons why he could
not show up later, if you wanted to go there. After he leaves he has no
idea about what's happening. He can't know that the Orlesians won't be
there in time and that the horde is on its way to Denerim.

But
even without jumping through such RP hoops. When Alistair leaves he is
DONE with the world, he is broken, there's nothing left for him, all
ties cut, no friends, no familiy, no purpose. He will regret his
decision and probably compensate this by drinking himself slowly to
death out of guilt and self-hatred.

Is it so hard to understand
that your PC just crossed a line and Alistair will not be able to even
remotely forgive until it's far too late? Why do you demand the
character to be a doormat, willingly bending to your wishes?

I think you're misreading me.

Modifié par Aisynia, 26 avril 2010 - 11:41 .

[Cirandel]

I chose to have the romance with Alistair. My warden is city elf. Why Alistair? His part in the story is essential, so it was interesting to see how the romance developed in the middle of everything. I had to make some very difficult choices that wouldn't have been so difficult otherwise. As an elf I could not rule beside him so I made Anora queen. He didn't want to be a king anyway. I thought the romance would end happily then. But my character could not accept Morrigan's disgusting offer: in the final battle the romance came to the tragic end.

But I liked that ending: it was dramatic and emotional. I'll always remember it. Endings don't always need to be happy. Pic

I don't really like the other romance options. They also don't have the same importance in the story. If I ever play the game again I will either play the Alistair romance again with a different outcome or make a male character and try Morrigan romance.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

eucatastrophe wrote...

About what klarabella said... isn't it interesting he is considered weak yet when he stands up for something he believes in, that is met with shock, incredulity, and disappointment?

My thoughts exactly.

[Riona45]

ArawnNox wrote...

On my first playthrough, I did the obligatory Cousland/Alistair King and Queen ending, though I'm not sure it was truley an In Character thing to do.

I'd hardly call it "obligatory."  I haven't done it and I'm not sure I'd want to.

My character (human female mage) ended up with Alistair and I did not make him the king.  I loved him for who he was, not because he was a possible heir to the throne.

Modifié par Riona45, 26 avril 2010 - 12:39 .

[tmp7704]

On the OP topic:

my city elf didn't really try to actively romance anyone. Well, she was pretty fascinated with Zevran being he was only other elf in the bunch and was complimenting her from the get-go and whatnot but then when they talked she couldn't help but go "so, you with other guys... ick?" and understandably Zevran didn't appreciate it much. They've still grown to like each other quite a lot but it's plain friendship.

She didn't try to romance Alistair, him being a human and then once she got to know him better he sort of started to feel like having an older but very naive brother to look out for. Although apparently he got interested at some point, but been discreet about it (save from occasional party banter)

Didn't think much of Leliana either (the bard girl only get to tag along because Alistair insisted on it) but they somehow developed into friends pretty quick -- Dalish elves were the first stop on the road and the song afterwards put Leliana in different light. The Alienage isn't a place to learn about wide world either so my elf was very curious about that, and Leliana was good source of stories about it. Even if it did involve weird concepts like pretty shoes.

Then Leliana went and blurted out she actually wanted to be more than friends. Accepted the "panic. Ehh i can't i'm a grey warden" excuse for a bit, but then eventually got all firm about it and the little elf cowed. Somehow it ended up in a genuine --if awkward-- relationship and Zevran gets to mock her about all that 


In contrast my snotty human noble had it much more straightforward. She fancied the handsome templar dropout --and a prince, who knew?-- he fancied her too and took steps to express that, so it proceed smoothly all way to spontanenous making out over headless Branka's body in the Deep Roads and celebrating things in the tent afterwards. He was going to be king and they were going to live happily ever after... and then the revelation struck, but my noble was faithful follower of the Chantry first, and second would never let a swamp witch put her dirty pawns on her lover even if there was no magic involved. She didn't need some evil magic to have everything go her way... and in the end Alistair killed the dragon to protect the woman he loved from death. And she was left heartbroken with nothing but sight of Anora taking the throne with a satisfied grin.

[BlueMew]

 We-ell, my little mage has always been pretty much an Alistair girl (same sense of humour, though better haircut) -- and not that romantically interested in women, but what happened with poor Leliana was something like this:

"Oh, nice hair."

"Thanks! By the way, we're just good friends. Just so you know."

"I like shoes!"

"Yes, well, shoes... but hey, we're still friends."

"So, you and Alistair!"

"Er, yes... he's quite possibly the love of my life."

"Oh noes, we killed my former girlfriend!"

"Well, she had it coming, you're not evil."

"Thanks! Er, I love you."

"....er, what? But... but... we're just good friends, remember?"

"So we're just friends?"

"YES!"

*enter Alistair* "I don't, uh, really like you leading Leliana on..."

"...I was doing what?"

*facepalm* Though oddly enough, this was quite in character. The Circle is not the best place to develop that famous women's intuition.

Modifié par BlueMew, 26 avril 2010 - 05:54 .

[ArawnNox]

BlueMew wrote...

 We-ell, my little mage has always been pretty much an Alistair girl (same sense of humour, though better haircut) -- and not that romantically interested in women, but what happened with poor Leliana was something like this:

"Oh, nice hair."

"Thanks! By the way, we're just good friends. Just so you know."

"I like shoes!"

"Yes, well, shoes... but hey, we're still friends."

"So, you and Alistair!"

"Er, yes... he's quite possibly the love of my life."

"Oh noes, we killed my former girlfriend!"

"Well, she had it coming, you're not evil."

"Thanks! Er, I love you."

"....er, what? But... but... we're just good friends, remember?"

"So we're just friends?"

"YES!"

*enter Alistair* "I don't, uh, really like you leading Leliana on..."

"...I was doing what?"

*facepalm* Though oddly enough, this was quite in character. The Circle is not the best place to develop that famous women's intuition.

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

[Tuvon]

the romance i wanted for my elf character was with the assistant of the keeper. my kind of girl.

[Aisynia]

Tuvon wrote...

the romance i wanted for my elf character was with the assistant of the keeper. my kind of girl.

Ugh. Presumptuous, overbearing, standoffish, stuck up, self important ****.

Please, by all means, take her away. I never want to listen to her again.

[Sarah1281]

Aisynia wrote...

Tuvon wrote...

the romance i wanted for my elf character was with the assistant of the keeper. my kind of girl.

Ugh. Presumptuous, overbearing, standoffish, stuck up, self important ****.

Please, by all means, take her away. I never want to listen to her again.

Maybe. But compare her to every other single Dalish in that camp and suddenly she's a lot less annoying.. Except, maybe, Danayla's husband. He seemed pretty cool. Too bad about her, though.

[CalJones]

Ah, she seemed pretty reasonable compared to the others. Athras and the craftsman fellow were all fine. Sarel and the guard woman you first meet, I would happily feed to the werewolves.

[DalishRanger]

First Warden (male Dalish rogue/ranger) ended up with Morrigan.

Second and "main"/most replayed Warden (male human mage - my avatar) ended up with Leliana.

Third Warden (female human noble warrior) ended up with Alistair.

Fourth Warden (female city elf rogue/bard) ended up with Zevran.

Still haven't finished my dwarves yet, but I intend for the commoner to end up with Leliana and the noble to end up with Zevran. Both are male.

[0ts0]

Wynne.

[Xandurpein]

Meliorist13 wrote...

For Male PC's Morrigan is the only way to go. I'm with Phoenix, I could
write tomes on her.

I like Lelianna also, however she has a
major flaw. She loves being a Bard, and doing whatever is required to
fulfill that role. However, she has this religious quirk wherein she
does not like to kill unless required or necessary, she is devout
concerning the maker and expresses such to excess, and the whole, I must
love you to sleep with you thing.....*sigh* She won't hesitate to
spread her legs to further a Bard mission, but she has to 'love' you to
sleep with you???? Something wrong with that picture...I'm sorry.

You miss the entire point with Leliana there. She is trained as a Bard and has done all sorts of things in that life, including no doubt seducing and bedding various people she has felt nothing for. Then she suffers an emotional and moral crisis and seeks a new life with the chantry.

That is when you meet her. She retains her skills as a Bard, but she tells herself that the old life is over.  She is willing to use her skills to help you because it's for a good cause. So she tries to live according to chantry belief, or at least her version of it, and this apprently includes not sleeping around anymore. When she describes her actions as a bard she describes her old ways, before she joined the chantry.

Later, if you romance Leliana you can convince her to go back to be more like the old Leliana again. Then she will again be much more open about casual sex, including the various group activities at the Black Pearl with Isabelle.

I think you just didn't bother to understand who Leliana really is or her past.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 27 avril 2010 - 01:11 .

[nos_astra]

Xandurpein wrote...
... at the Black Pearl with Isabelle.

And Captain Jack Sparrow?

[ejoslin]

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 avril 2010 - 01:42 .

[Xandurpein]

klarabella wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
... at the Black Pearl with Isabelle.

And Captain Jack Sparrow?

Indeed. Dye Zevrans hair black, add a goatee and... prepare to be boarded!

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

I don't think its as easy to categorize her as that.  I think her faith is real, not lip service or a facade she adopted to survive.  Even hardened to the bard she used to be she still feels the Maker guides her path.  And she gets pissed if you defile the ashes. Someone who isn't really faithful wouldn't care.  (yes I know she can be intimidated/persuaded to cool down but thats more game mechanics than actual characterization).

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

I don't think its as easy to categorize her as that.  I think her faith is real, not lip service or a facade she adopted to survive.  Even hardened to the bard she used to be she still feels the Maker guides her path.  And she gets pissed if you defile the ashes. Someone who isn't really faithful wouldn't care.  (yes I know she can be intimidated/persuaded to cool down but thats more game mechanics than actual characterization).

I think her faith is real as well.  But I think Leliana is extremely easily influenced and had she sought refuge somewhere else, she would have adopted those beliefs.

And hardened, when her dialog is working as intended, she's not nearly as maker-oriented.  She still believes, yes, but it's not the all consuming thing that it is when she's not hardened.  I hate bringing up things that are not in the game because of bugs, however.  But hardening Leliana is supposed to have a bit more of an impact than just her being more sexually open.  It's not that her faith is shaken, but she no longer acts as though the Maker is holding her hand in every instance, including when to have sex for the first time with the warden.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 avril 2010 - 02:15 .

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

I don't think its as easy to categorize her as that.  I think her faith is real, not lip service or a facade she adopted to survive.  Even hardened to the bard she used to be she still feels the Maker guides her path.  And she gets pissed if you defile the ashes. Someone who isn't really faithful wouldn't care.  (yes I know she can be intimidated/persuaded to cool down but thats more game mechanics than actual characterization).

I think her faith is real as well.  But I think Leliana is extremely easily influenced and had she sought refuge somewhere else, she would have adopted those beliefs.

And hardened, when her dialog is working as intended, she's not nearly as maker-oriented.  She still believes, yes, but it's not the all consuming thing that it is when she's not hardened.  I hate bringing up things that are not in the game because of bugs, however.  But hardening Leliana is supposed to have a bit more of an impact than just her being more sexually open.  It's not that her faith is shaken, but she no longer acts as though the Maker is holding her hand in every instance, including when to have sex for the first time with the warden.

About the easily influenced yes, I get the feeling though that could be from her early conditioning from Marjolaine.  She discusses with Alistair the training she underwent as a bard was to learn to adapt and blend in so she was 'invisible'.  We don't know what else Marjolaine slipped in there along with that but I think she was actually brainwashed to some extent.  In this she is much in the same boat as Zevran (And don't jump on me I am not belittling what was done to Zevran.  I get that he was a slave and had no choice but if Marjolaine brainwashed Leliana she would be in similar straits.  My concept of Leliana is that she has been abused too in her own way.
Yes we don't SEE the scars but things she says when you romance her, things you see when you play with her lead me to believe she has been abused mentally.  I mean HONESTLY the eyelashes comment?  That's full of crazy...and completely IN character for her.  And she talks about how safe she feels with the Warden, how she falls asleep sometimes on watch but wakes up seeing the Warden there and knows nothing will harm them.
I think its a testiment to the writing team that they made these characters who are something more underneath than what their immediate facade would suggest.

[Aisynia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

I don't think its as easy to categorize her as that.  I think her faith is real, not lip service or a facade she adopted to survive.  Even hardened to the bard she used to be she still feels the Maker guides her path.  And she gets pissed if you defile the ashes. Someone who isn't really faithful wouldn't care.  (yes I know she can be intimidated/persuaded to cool down but thats more game mechanics than actual characterization).

I think her faith is real as well.  But I think Leliana is extremely easily influenced and had she sought refuge somewhere else, she would have adopted those beliefs.

And hardened, when her dialog is working as intended, she's not nearly as maker-oriented.  She still believes, yes, but it's not the all consuming thing that it is when she's not hardened.  I hate bringing up things that are not in the game because of bugs, however.  But hardening Leliana is supposed to have a bit more of an impact than just her being more sexually open.  It's not that her faith is shaken, but she no longer acts as though the Maker is holding her hand in every instance, including when to have sex for the first time with the warden.

About the easily influenced yes, I get the feeling though that could be from her early conditioning from Marjolaine.  She discusses with Alistair the training she underwent as a bard was to learn to adapt and blend in so she was 'invisible'.  We don't know what else Marjolaine slipped in there along with that but I think she was actually brainwashed to some extent.  In this she is much in the same boat as Zevran (And don't jump on me I am not belittling what was done to Zevran.  I get that he was a slave and had no choice but if Marjolaine brainwashed Leliana she would be in similar straits.  My concept of Leliana is that she has been abused too in her own way.
Yes we don't SEE the scars but things she says when you romance her, things you see when you play with her lead me to believe she has been abused mentally.  I mean HONESTLY the eyelashes comment?  That's full of crazy...and completely IN character for her.  And she talks about how safe she feels with the Warden, how she falls asleep sometimes on watch but wakes up seeing the Warden there and knows nothing will harm them.
I think its a testiment to the writing team that they made these characters who are something more underneath than what their immediate facade would suggest.

Strongly implied that she has been more than mentally abused, as the Orlesian authorities who Marjolaine betrayed her to almost certainly raped her, and I doubt it was just once, and I doubt she was only there for a day or two. She made it sound pretty dire...

When I was raped it was.. well it could have been much worse, at least I can see that when it comes to what some others have gone through. I got away quickly, in relative terms.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...
About the easily influenced yes, I get the feeling though that could be from her early conditioning from Marjolaine.  She discusses with Alistair the training she underwent as a bard was to learn to adapt and blend in so she was 'invisible'.  We don't know what else Marjolaine slipped in there along with that but I think she was actually brainwashed to some extent.  In this she is much in the same boat as Zevran (And don't jump on me I am not belittling what was done to Zevran.  I get that he was a slave and had no choice but if Marjolaine brainwashed Leliana she would be in similar straits.  My concept of Leliana is that she has been abused too in her own way.
Yes we don't SEE the scars but things she says when you romance her, things you see when you play with her lead me to believe she has been abused mentally.  I mean HONESTLY the eyelashes comment?  That's full of crazy...and completely IN character for her.  And she talks about how safe she feels with the Warden, how she falls asleep sometimes on watch but wakes up seeing the Warden there and knows nothing will harm them.
I think its a testiment to the writing team that they made these characters who are something more underneath than what their immediate facade would suggest.

*grin* I only jump on people who say that Leliana's upbringing was as bad as Zevran's (they're not even in the same category of bad -- there's a huge difference between being raised to entertain a noble woman and the horror that was Zevran's early life).  She did have choices, but I do agree that Marjolaine did a number on her head.

I agree that there is a lot more to Leliana.  I actually was responding to someone saying she had a moral crisis.  THAT wasn't what brought her to the Chantry.  Had Marjolaine not betrayed her, she would have happily continued being a bard.

Edit: And I am NOT saying that Leliana didn't have horrible things done to her.  She was most certainly treated horribly after her capture, and tortured and raped.  But that wasn't her reason for being a bard.  At all.  Unlike Zevran, who was raised a ****house boy where he learned at least massage techniques before the age of 7, was further trained to use sex to get close to his marks, and tortured hideously as a matter of course for his training.  

That doesn't make what happened to Leliana ok.  Quite the opposite.  But she was raised to entertain a noble woman, he was raised to be an assassin yet they both ended up with similar professions.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 avril 2010 - 02:43 .

[tmp7704]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yes we don't SEE the scars but things she says when you romance her, things you see when you play with her lead me to believe she has been abused mentally.  I mean HONESTLY the eyelashes comment?  That's full of crazy...and completely IN character for her.

Meh i think people freak out about that one more than it's warranted. She starts off with a metaphor (eyelashes like butterflies, they sort of can flicker like butterfly wings when one is dreaming, i'd imagine) and then lets herself get carried on with that mental image. Talking without thinking, so to speak.

I'd figure people would be way more scared by implications of her off-hand comment in the talk about the ways she used to run her bard business, than that.

Modifié par tmp7704, 27 avril 2010 - 02:45 .

[sylvanaerie]

Aisynia wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Ha! Yeah, you kindof have to beat Lelianna off with a stick sometimes. I think, when the hair conversation occurs, you have to be particularly firm about boundaries with her. Being placative and diplomatic doesn't seem to discourage her.

The development of my current romances, Lelianna has a big lead on Zeveran for getting my Elf Mage's attention. No fault of Zev's though. Not enough gifts/conversations to boost his approval up, at the moment.

Heh, Zevran is the easiest of the romance partners to get up to 100 even without conversation and gifts.  Every trip to the tent, +1.  Yeh, your warden is THAT good!

Edit: With Leliana, her crisis was not moral.  She was running for her life because she was betrayed by the person she loved most.  Had she sought refuge somewhere else, no doubt she would have adopted those beliefs.  

Her refusal to have sex is probably more to do with her having feelings for the wardens, but not wanting to get close due to not being able to trust.  It's only after her personal quest is done that she can trust the warden.

I don't think its as easy to categorize her as that.  I think her faith is real, not lip service or a facade she adopted to survive.  Even hardened to the bard she used to be she still feels the Maker guides her path.  And she gets pissed if you defile the ashes. Someone who isn't really faithful wouldn't care.  (yes I know she can be intimidated/persuaded to cool down but thats more game mechanics than actual characterization).

I think her faith is real as well.  But I think Leliana is extremely easily influenced and had she sought refuge somewhere else, she would have adopted those beliefs.

And hardened, when her dialog is working as intended, she's not nearly as maker-oriented.  She still believes, yes, but it's not the all consuming thing that it is when she's not hardened.  I hate bringing up things that are not in the game because of bugs, however.  But hardening Leliana is supposed to have a bit more of an impact than just her being more sexually open.  It's not that her faith is shaken, but she no longer acts as though the Maker is holding her hand in every instance, including when to have sex for the first time with the warden.

About the easily influenced yes, I get the feeling though that could be from her early conditioning from Marjolaine.  She discusses with Alistair the training she underwent as a bard was to learn to adapt and blend in so she was 'invisible'.  We don't know what else Marjolaine slipped in there along with that but I think she was actually brainwashed to some extent.  In this she is much in the same boat as Zevran (And don't jump on me I am not belittling what was done to Zevran.  I get that he was a slave and had no choice but if Marjolaine brainwashed Leliana she would be in similar straits.  My concept of Leliana is that she has been abused too in her own way.
Yes we don't SEE the scars but things she says when you romance her, things you see when you play with her lead me to believe she has been abused mentally.  I mean HONESTLY the eyelashes comment?  That's full of crazy...and completely IN character for her.  And she talks about how safe she feels with the Warden, how she falls asleep sometimes on watch but wakes up seeing the Warden there and knows nothing will harm them.
I think its a testiment to the writing team that they made these characters who are something more underneath than what their immediate facade would suggest.

Strongly implied that she has been more than mentally abused, as the Orlesian authorities who Marjolaine betrayed her to almost certainly raped her, and I doubt it was just once, and I doubt she was only there for a day or two. She made it sound pretty dire...

When I was raped it was.. well it could have been much worse, at least I can see that when it comes to what some others have gone through. I got away quickly, in relative terms.

I believe she was raped too just by the way she says "Terrible things" they did to her but I was more referring to things Marjolaine did.  Leliana says that a bard's loyalties should remain flexible but she was loyal to Marjolaine, loved her and I wonder how much that loyalty to her bardmistress was love and how much was mental conditioning.  And just how much of her current easily led/condtioned personality is a layover of whatever was done to her by Marjolaine.  One reason I always kill that **** now.  Romanced or just as a friend Leli deserves to be free of her once and for all.  Just a thought, its kind of my take on Leliana though other viewpoints are certainly valid too.