Depending how you went with Tali's trial and if you spoke to Han-Garrel afterward, I think he'll be easier to convince. I agree with everyone that no matter what path you would choose, we'll end up having to eliminate Admiral Xen. In this case, I agree with TIM. But only in that case.
Some people, I know, have suggested the Quarian Fleet wouldn't be of much help. One point against this is the fact that the Quarians are like the Gypsies of space, but in this case they're the kind that have had to adapt and increase their technological prowess. This, I think, would be useful, especially if they (perhaps working with the Geth) can come up with a weapon that will actually be useful against the Reapers. A lot of people talk about the Thannix Cannon. But if I remember right, the Thannix cannon was made by the Turians who took the designs from Sovereign's corpse. Would it be really useful against them?
Anyways, I hope that the way they resolve the Quarian-Geth issue is one worthy of Shepard, whichever path he takes. One thing that Mass Effect 2 did was give some interesting Paragon actions that allowed for violent acts. (Zaeed's Loyalty Mission shows this).
How will the Quarian/Geth situation be resolved in Mass Effect 3?
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 08:03
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Well I think the Quarians need to get over it and accept peace when offered. Or work out their apparent cruelty because they attempted to wipe out the newly sentient Geth quickly, it's genocide and a bit ironic for an apparent "peaceful" race. Everything that happened to them is comeuppance for their actions. The Geth are being the sensible ones, trying to connect with the creators and make up. If anything all they need to do is clean their name of the heretic crap and they'll be acceptable for the Citadel.
Legion would not agree that it is genocide, since it doesn't consider Geth to be any more than machines and thus the same logic cannot be applied to them as to sapient life. Legion actually considers it "racist" to compare synthetic to organic, saptient to machine.
EDIT: Just realized the age of the thread
So might not be much of an input.
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#53
Posté 19 mars 2011 - 08:11
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Akizora wrote...
Legion would not agree that it is genocide, since it doesn't consider Geth to be any more than machines and thus the same logic cannot be applied to them as to sapient life. Legion actually considers it "racist" to compare synthetic to organic, saptient to machine.
This is not true. Legion considers itself life. It only points out that organic needs are different for societal change than geth needs. With geth, code is sufficient. With organics, time and reasoning are required.
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 08:30
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Almostfaceman wrote...
This is not true. Legion considers itself life. It only points out that organic needs are different for societal change than geth needs. With geth, code is sufficient. With organics, time and reasoning are required.
On Legions loyalty mission I brought Mordin along and he questioned the ethics of rewriting the Geth to which I replied that they are only machines, Legion agreed and said that rewriting or destroying them cannot be compared to doing the same to sapient life. Legion also said it would be racist to consider all lifeforms the same and judge them in the same way, Mordin found it fascinating that Legion agreed with me.
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 08:35
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i have the feeling that the reapers will probably take over the get anyway better to just get rid of them early on besides there just plastic anyway.
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 09:14
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Akizora wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
This is not true. Legion considers itself life. It only points out that organic needs are different for societal change than geth needs. With geth, code is sufficient. With organics, time and reasoning are required.
On Legions loyalty mission I brought Mordin along and he questioned the ethics of rewriting the Geth to which I replied that they are only machines, Legion agreed and said that rewriting or destroying them cannot be compared to doing the same to sapient life. Legion also said it would be racist to consider all lifeforms the same and judge them in the same way, Mordin found it fascinating that Legion agreed with me.
Then you clearly misunderstood. If the geth didn't consider themselves "alive" they would not have defended themselves when attacked by the quarians. The dialogue you are talking about is not about whether the geth are "alive" or not, it's about how setting the virus on the heretics is not the same as indoctrinating organics. What concerns Legion is losing the perspectives that the heretics have gained - besides their decision to ally with the Old Machines - that would be useful to the geth as a whole.
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 09:33
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Almostfaceman wrote...
Akizora wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
This is not true. Legion considers itself life. It only points out that organic needs are different for societal change than geth needs. With geth, code is sufficient. With organics, time and reasoning are required.
On Legions loyalty mission I brought Mordin along and he questioned the ethics of rewriting the Geth to which I replied that they are only machines, Legion agreed and said that rewriting or destroying them cannot be compared to doing the same to sapient life. Legion also said it would be racist to consider all lifeforms the same and judge them in the same way, Mordin found it fascinating that Legion agreed with me.
Then you clearly misunderstood. If the geth didn't consider themselves "alive" they would not have defended themselves when attacked by the quarians. The dialogue you are talking about is not about whether the geth are "alive" or not, it's about how setting the virus on the heretics is not the same as indoctrinating organics. What concerns Legion is losing the perspectives that the heretics have gained - besides their decision to ally with the Old Machines - that would be useful to the geth as a whole.
No Legion clearly states that Geth should not be compared to sapient organic lifeforms and that doing so would be racist, that rewriting them is not unethical because they are just machines; a sentiment Legion agrees with.
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Posté 19 mars 2011 - 10:32
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There's nothing in that about not considering themselves "alive." They simply don't equate that to the same kind of thing we might.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 10:28
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Zilod wrote...
i think you will decide in me3<br />
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my idea is that to face the reapers in me3 you will need the support of the quarian fleet (the biggest in the galaxy) and/or of the geths, imo is likelly that you will end up meeting the quarians that are trying to reclaim their homeworld and will ask your help to do so... depending on what you do i think you will be able to bring peace to both factions or destroy one of the faction securing the help of the other one
yea but how will it work if you gave legion to cerbrus?
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 11:00
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Akizora wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
Akizora wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
This is not true. Legion considers itself life. It only points out that organic needs are different for societal change than geth needs. With geth, code is sufficient. With organics, time and reasoning are required.
On Legions loyalty mission I brought Mordin along and he questioned the ethics of rewriting the Geth to which I replied that they are only machines, Legion agreed and said that rewriting or destroying them cannot be compared to doing the same to sapient life. Legion also said it would be racist to consider all lifeforms the same and judge them in the same way, Mordin found it fascinating that Legion agreed with me.
Then you clearly misunderstood. If the geth didn't consider themselves "alive" they would not have defended themselves when attacked by the quarians. The dialogue you are talking about is not about whether the geth are "alive" or not, it's about how setting the virus on the heretics is not the same as indoctrinating organics. What concerns Legion is losing the perspectives that the heretics have gained - besides their decision to ally with the Old Machines - that would be useful to the geth as a whole.
No Legion clearly states that Geth should not be compared to sapient organic lifeforms and that doing so would be racist, that rewriting them is not unethical because they are just machines; a sentiment Legion agrees with.
Nope, it's not because "they're merely machines" it's because machine life forms reason in a different way. It is a conversation that deals with decision making, not the nature of the geth's existence and whether or not they're really "life".
This is the exact conversation from the game:
Shepard: If this were an organic race, it might be an ethical problem. Geth aren't like organic life. Don't apply our morality to them.
Legion: That is logical.
Zaeed: The geth says to kill the geth. That's all I need to hear.
Legion: No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism. The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. With synthetics, replacement of a data file is the only requirement.
"The minds of both forms of LIFE." Legion actually acknowledges both forms as "life". End of argument.
