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[LionFranco]

I love Bioware, i love their games, i love that they almost singlehandedly revived PC RPG's, and i love just about everything they have done in the past decade, but all i wanted to do was be able to mess with this toolset, and try to make something fun and interesting, but i have been trying almost nonstop since the toolset was released to get it to function, and i have just hit a wall.

Bioware needs to make this toolset where it installs without the current issues it is having now, where it properly links to whatever database it needs without the crazy configuration issues that people have to go through, and then maybe i'll try it again.

I love you Bioware...but fix this toolset!

[DSWDalish]

bro.......................... did you even bother reading the toolset troubleshooting page on the wiki fixed it for me. dont expect everything to be handed to you.

[sirkaracho]

we paid for it, so of course everything should be "handed" to us

the toolset needs to be fixed, it didnt work for me, it killed my windows installation, none of the solutions did anything for me, and i cant understand why nobody just uploads this database so maybe some of us can get the toolset to work

[DFM2005]

You guys have to give them time, to fix all this they are aware of the problems and I can see them doing somthing I never see Activision or any other larger companies doing which is reviewing the forums.
They are makeing sure that the next patch they release wont have additional errors so i'm sure they are collecting all the errors up before they release the next patch.
So try and get by on what you have for now.
One thing to note, i have windows vista x64 i have an issue with my installer at times that causes me to have blue screens and requires me to restart.
A solution is if your haveing issues like this an option is to start the install of the program. But before you hit next to install go into task manager and end task on explorer.exe.
Then install the program, once the program is done installing. Go back into task manager and reload explorer.exe by typing it in run.
Microsoft's installer are a pain in the but, if you are using windows xp make sure your running service pack 3. I know most aren't because they are using that stardock program or equivalent for themes.
This is a windows installer update you probably could use to get rid of some of the installer issues.
www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx

Post back if this helped at all.

Modifié par DFM2005, 09 novembre 2009 - 05:46 .

[Simon.Omega]

It is a tricky install but hang in there. Most of us had work arounds to do for it.
I am running it on a Laptop because all my machiens are Linux.

sirkaracho wrote...
we paid for it, so of course everything should be "handed" to us
the toolset needs to be fixed, it didnt work for me, it killed my windows installation, none of the solutions did anything for me, and i cant understand why nobody just uploads this database so maybe some of us can get the toolset to work

It's not like an Access Database that you open in an application and see tables... There is a stripped version of MSSQL2005; its a service serving out the connections to your data bases. If the toolset connects to the service and it's not there you get no data.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Had the toolset been in with the game it would not have some of these issues.

[DFM2005]

One other thing people should check is there windows updates because i believe i've seen a sql patch a couple times in there.

[DFM2005]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

Had the toolset been in with the game it would not have some of these issues.

Sure it would of you can't figure out every problem a game will have on pc; there's just to many different configurations compared to consoles.

You just have to wait for people to start reporting them, and then once you get enough people haveing the same problem you patch it.

It's the way the ways it's been for a long time.

[LionFranco]

with so much activity on these forums i guess no one noticed the topics i have posted in and made. I have spent 2 days troubleshooting, watching this toolset nearly cause me to reformat my computer, spend hours searching for fixes that the toolset caused, and finally giving up because the one problem that wont go away also doesnt seem to have a working fix yet.



Once those fixes are up, then i'll enjoy reinstalling it.



Oh and Dalish, the Wiki was my first resource, and it is crap. The instructions it gives you dont even apply to XP apparently, so it was no help at all. And i tried many of the fixes mentioned in the Wiki, even if they didnt apply to my problem, and still no luck.

[DFM2005]

Have you tried uninstalling sql server? Or at the very worst case using a system restore?

[DFM2005]

Check this out!!!
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/8/index/124908

[sirkaracho]

if that "they just dont know the configuration of every system in the world"-thing would be true, then why are there games that work on the first day? ok most games today have minor problems that are to be patched, but thats not because of different systems, its because some years ago users started to accept it, sure there are some exceptions where problems are caused by things that couldnt be forseen, but the DA toolset doesnt just have some minor problems, it has problems when you try to install it, if you get that done it has problems just working, and even if it works, what i read here in the forum, it seems to be far away from being as intuitive as the promotional videos want us to think it is



but i am sure there are hard working guys at bioware that want the toolset to work for all of us that waited for it and bought the game only for the toolset, they deserve a chance to make things right

[DFM2005]

I'm going through some of bioware's code for this game, one thing i've noticed is some of the code is from 2006.



It's basically an updated version of NWN2, it's like i thought earlier when i mentioned about why they didn't use the Witcher engine for this game.



It's because they were already to far into the game, to scrap it especially because it was costly to develop. So alot of the problems I'm thinking is because, they are trying to merge this old database with the newer OS's plus the trouble of services packs.



The reason i'm thinking this is because you hardly see any new games using sql only game i've seen using sql was super power 2 and that was from 2005.



That's one of the reasons you have to release the game prematurely for funding purposes, like all the other games i've seen this done with the goods are always down the road.



So to me it's not that big of a deal i can wait.

[LionFranco]

DFM, i've done everything you mentioned and even stuff that didnt seem related to my issue, but hoped it would work, and still no working toolset, and that post doesnt apply to the issue i'm having, since the toolset doesnt even fully install due to the SQL issue, so not all of the files are installed, and hell the only way for me to remove the toolset is to delete the toolssql folder.



I'll probably just go back to working on the NWN2 toolset until this one is working properly.

[DFM2005]

http://www.microsoft...l/default.aspx

The only other thing i can think of for you is, empty your temp folder by typing temp at run.
Then try installing sql 2008 express.

The editor didn't say you had to use sql 2005 in fact it says you can use an alternative one.

Keep trying!!

Modifié par DFM2005, 09 novembre 2009 - 07:01 .

[Quaxo]

I think I'm just about done with this toolset as well. I had no problems installing it and making it run, but it's just too much of a pain in the butt to do anything on. It takes forever to build anything with bits and pieces of models, the documentation, tutorials and such in the wiki are poorly written, some functions of the toolset don't even working properly for some people, the list just goes on and on. They did such a good job with their previous toolsets in terms of making them easy to understand and easy to use for just about anyone, but it just seems that's all gone out the window this time. I've got a lot of experience with computer graphics and 3D modelling in programs like 3Ds Max and Maya, but this toolset is just aggravating. I've been a big BioWare fan for a long time, but this game as well as the toolset have been a real disappointment.

[Adinos]

Some of you with a NWN background need to remember one key difference. NWN was basically a toolset that came with a decent, (but not spectacular OC). The toolset was the big selling point of the game. DA:O, on the other hand - is a top-notch game, rthat includes a toolset, but the focus is not on the toolset - BioWare did not design a newbie-friendly toolset - they have said from the beginning that we would get the tools they use, and we have known for a long time that it would be modre complex than the NWN toolset.

Basically, we got exactly what we had been told - I don't see any reason for disappointment.

And, yes - to correct DFM2005 above

The reason i'm thinking this is because you hardly see any new games using sql only game i've seen using sql was super power 2 and that was from 2005.

The game does not use SQL. The toolset does - not the game - big difference, and in most other games you don't get the toolset the developers used to build the game, so you have no idea whether they used SQL or not.

There are bugs and issues, but they are working hard on fixing things.   Some of the toolset-related issues that have come up have been with things that did not get tested during the toolset beta - the conflict with Steam or conflichs with the game.

Complaining about the SP2 issue is just silly - anyone running SP2 today has only himself to blame - not to mention the potential security problems.

Modifié par Adinos, 09 novembre 2009 - 11:36 .

[Awildawn]

I do agree with your statement Adinos but still you have to admit that for people who aren't proeficient with databases or complex tools, it's a bit hard.

I suppose Bioware will provide another version of the toolset with the fix included (say it is so) if only because it's too bad creating a social site that's supposed to help you mix artists and scripters easily when the complexit of the toolset installation prevents a lot of people from using the toolset (and since there was a delay witht the boxed versions in Europe, I'm guessing there a re a lot of steam users).





That being said, I don't think that the 3d artists or conversation designers at Bioware had to overcome such hurddle when they started working so even though it is their tool they are providing us with (and thank you for that), they have to take into account that not everybody has a SQL expert not far from his computer.



So well, yeah, I hope there will be an easy to use solution because I too can't use the toolset yet.

[Sunjammer]

The game isn't even a week old: if things aren't to your liking just now take a break and enjoy the single player campaign (at least once) then come back at the end of the month and see if things have improved.  There are steps afoot to iron out the wrinkles, provide better documentation, etc. but it all takes time (which wasn't available before).

Adinos wrote...

And, yes - to correct DFM2005 above

Similarly BioWare didn't develop NWN2: OEI did.

[AllmightyMans]

sirkaracho wrote...

we paid for it, so of course everything should be "handed" to us
the toolset needs to be fixed, it didnt work for me, it killed my windows installation, none of the solutions did anything for me, and i cant understand why nobody just uploads this database so maybe some of us can get the toolset to work

No, you did not pay for the toolset. You paid for the game. The toolset is just something extra they provide free of charge to get the moding community going, and increase the lifespan of the game. And this time, they released the toolset almost simultaneous with the game, instead of having to wait for it for several months, like you had to do in earlier games. There are always bound to be some issues in the begining, but as mentioned earlier, there are help to be had to remedy this.

[Quaxo]

Already been through as a warrior and a mage. Started a second warrior, going with different specs this time. No interest in playing a rogue and doing the same damn story a fourth time. While graphically stunning (I play on full detail at 1680x1050), the OC is a bit disappointing. I think it would have been better for them to spend time on a nice, easy to use toolset with tons of resources rather than the time wasted on a crap story that isn't all that stunningly different from any other "you're the hero" RPG.



The toolset was meant to extend the life of this game, and BioWare even tries to compare it to how Aurora extended the life of NWN. But unlike with NWN, I think they failed this time.

[AllmightyMans]

Quaxo wrote...
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The toolset was meant to extend the life of this game, and BioWare even tries to compare it to how Aurora extended the life of NWN. But unlike with NWN, I think they failed this time.

That's what they said about the toolset for NWN2 as well. It got so much flames about how bad it was, how user unfriendly it was, how hard it was to use, etc etc. But look at it today, tons of content produced with it. This toolset will be no different.

Modifié par AllmightyMans, 09 novembre 2009 - 11:47 .

[sirkaracho]

i totally disagree with adinos on this point:



if the focus is on the game or on the toolset is completely the decision of the buyer, the package was promised to be the toolset and the game, for me personally the game is just some kind of bonus (may it be as awesome as it seems to be) - i bought the package for the toolset, and now what i bought just doesnt work

[Eidolonn]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

Had the toolset been in with the game it would not have some of these issues.

LOL.  What theory is this based off of?

Actually, it would have been worse, as they stated it wasn't ready for public consumption.

Just a really silly and uneducated statement, man.

[Eidolonn]

Adinos wrote...
Complaining about the SP2 issue is just silly - anyone running SP2 today has only himself to blame - not to mention the potential security problems.

Especially since the issue was with a SQL 2005 incompatibility with SP2.  It had nothing to do with the toolset itself.

Technically, BioWare could have said "screw you all" and referred you to Microsoft tech support where you could have paid $135 an hour for troubleshooting this.  They went out of their way to resolve this issue and everyone should be grateful.

Modifié par Eidolonn, 09 novembre 2009 - 04:05 .