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[Commissar Gash]

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Alexine wrote...

I would have to agree, Collider. Jacob honestly is not that bad with ManShep (just finished a playthrough with a Manshep) and the whole friendship and brohug really suited the ManShep/Jacob friendship. But with FemShep, she sounds so breathless, like she wants to pounce on Jacob and savour his abs. I like Hale as VO for FemShep, but what in the mind of the voice cast director to choose these lines?

At least Hale sounds decent most other times she tries to be seductive.

Dan't satrt hating on MaleShepard! He's Kirk, he doesn't have to be seductive and also he's much better with renegade dialogue.
And also he has an amzing smile!

Gash....<_<

Yes?

[Alexine]

That Sheploo creepy smile is worse when he gives that smirk when you mod the Jacob romance scene. Now that gave me shivers...

[Commissar Gash]

Alexine wrote...

That Sheploo creepy smile is worse when he gives that smirk when you mod the Jacob romance scene. Now that gave me shivers...

You mod MaleShep into Jacob romance?!

[Alexine]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Alexine wrote...

That Sheploo creepy smile is worse when he gives that smirk when you mod the Jacob romance scene. Now that gave me shivers...

You mod MaleShep into Jacob romance?!

No, I saw it on youtube. It's like rape face times 1 000.

[Collider]

There were a few gay vibes from the conversations with Jacob as Male Shepard UNMODDED. I even wonder for a moment if Jacob was an M/M option.

[Alexine]

I remembered from early dev diaries (or somewhere in interviews or something) that only Thane and Garrus were the only considered to me M/M romances, but not Jacob. It's odd, since all three manshep LIs (Miranda, Tali and Jack) were all considered to be F/F, but only Thane and Garrus for M/M?

[Commissar Gash]

Alexine wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Alexine wrote...

That Sheploo creepy smile is worse when he gives that smirk when you mod the Jacob romance scene. Now that gave me shivers...

You mod MaleShep into Jacob romance?!

No, I saw it on youtube. It's like rape face times 1 000.

Oh God, note to self: stay the **** away from MShepard/Jacob videos (not that I was planning to see it).

[Collider]

Alexine wrote...
I remembered from early dev diaries (or somewhere in interviews or something) that only Thane and Garrus were the only considered to me M/M romances, but not Jacob. It's odd, since all three manshep LIs (Miranda, Tali and Jack) were all considered to be F/F, but only Thane and Garrus for M/M?

My best guess is that Jacob's voice actor requested that he does not voice homosexual lines or that his character is bisexual. Or they just didn't think Jacob was the bisexual type. I've heard Male and Female Shepard's romance lines for ALL romances except Jacob. Garrus M/M romance included. I wonder what Garrus would compliment then in the romance scene pre-Omega 4 relay

[Alexine]

Collider wrote...

Alexine wrote...
I remembered from early dev diaries (or somewhere in interviews or something) that only Thane and Garrus were the only considered to me M/M romances, but not Jacob. It's odd, since all three manshep LIs (Miranda, Tali and Jack) were all considered to be F/F, but only Thane and Garrus for M/M?

My best guess is that Jacob's voice actor requested that he does not voice homosexual lines or that his character is bisexual. Or they just didn't think Jacob was the bisexual type. I've heard Male and Female Shepard's romance lines for ALL romances except Jacob. Garrus M/M romance included. I wonder what Garrus would compliment then in the romance scene pre-Omega 4 relay

That's what I think too. I mean, the actors can place demands early. Makes you wonder if the original romance scenes were suppose to be more racier than the final ones, but that the actors felt that they don't want to do.

[RPGmom28]

That would surprise me. Voice acting is a competitive field. I would guess that unless you were a known name getting top dollar you would take the money and run. New characters don't have the benefit of having a history with fans like, for example, Brandon Keener, whom we all expect to voice Garrus.

(Edited because I did the original on my Android phone and had gaps in my text)

Modifié par RPGmom28, 26 juin 2010 - 07:45 .

[Chimervera]

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Modifié par Chimervera, 27 juin 2010 - 03:49 .

[Sand King]

Thanks for the support (I think:huh:)

[kraidy1117]

Bit it's just a Drell

[Commissar Gash]

Shavon wrote...

Quit stalking my posts!

You know one thing I was glad to find in Jacob, he ends up being much more paragon than I thought. There was a tn of speculation on the old site regarding how renegade he was. I never played galaxy, so I could never comment on those who did play.

Eh//random

He had an epic one-liner in Galaxy....

[Alexine]

Hmm, I wonder what happened if Jacob was malleable (can make him paragon or renegade) in ME2, like Garrus in ME1 and ME2. He would definitely be interesting in that perspective, since he's part of Cerberus, but he is conflicted by its operations.

[Collider]

Somewhat a repost, but a few things to add:
Some of my thoughts gathered through playing as F!Shepard in ME2:

Jacob's romance is unique in that the flirting can start before Horizon. I thought Jacob's reaction to F!Shepard coming on to him was awkward and funny (in a good way). The coming on to him bit itself - meaning F!Shepard and tone and dialog, is not good. No idea what the writers and voice directors were on.

Apparently, if you miss the flirting in the second conversation with Jacob, it is impossible to do the romance.

However, I came into the Jacob conversations expecting that F!Shepard sounds like she wanted to rape Jacob. The tone was still weird to me, but it was less overt than what I expected - normal dialog, that is. The flirting dialog is definitely...predatory.

As long as F!Shepard doesn't flirt with him though, I think it's tolerable the interactions with him. You get the same dialog as M!Shepard does.

There was a lot of potential in the Jacob romance. In the conversation after his loyalty mission, Shepard and Jacob talk about the mission and whether or not they'll make it out alive. There's loads of potential there for Shepard and Jacob to form an emotional (and eventually, romantic) connection from that. Unfortunate that that wasn't utitlized. I might still do the Jacob romance for science though.
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I will also say that I went ahead and saw the bits and pieces of the Jacob romance on youtube (since I would have to do Mordins recruitment, Horizon, and Jacob's loyalty mission all over again if I wanted to do his romance).

First of all, the tone that F!Shepard takes is horrendous. It's off putting and distracting.

Secondly, Jacob's romance is not all that bad. I really liked that he let Shepard vent for a change. That's a pretty deal - and an opportunity to let your personal Shepard's personality show. You don't just get "I'm great/alright/not doing good," you get more specific things for Shepard to rant or vent about.

Of course, I really don't have much to say about the romance scene before the Omega 4 relay aside from what is obvious. Bad dialog. Bad, bad, bad.

But aside from that romance scene, Jacob himself for the most part handled himself well in the romance. There were a few things that I didn't like ("night in the commander" "we don't need words" etc) and he said "we've got a good thing Shepard" too many times. With a few tweaks, his romance could have been great. Coulda woulda shoulda though. Still wonder where his romance is going to go in ME3 however.

Modifié par Collider, 27 juin 2010 - 08:41 .

[Alexine]

Collider wrote...

Somewhat a repost, but a few things to add:
Some of my thoughts gathered through playing as F!Shepard in ME2:

Jacob's romance is unique in that the flirting can start before Horizon. I thought Jacob's reaction to F!Shepard coming on to him was awkward and funny (in a good way). The coming on to him bit itself - meaning F!Shepard and tone and dialog, is not good. No idea what the writers and voice directors were on.

Apparently, if you miss the flirting in the second conversation with Jacob, it is impossible to do the romance.

However, I came into the Jacob conversations expecting that F!Shepard sounds like she wanted to rape Jacob. The tone was still weird to me, but it was less overt than what I expected - normal dialog, that is. The flirting dialog is definitely...predatory.

As long as F!Shepard doesn't flirt with him though, I think it's tolerable the interactions with him. You get the same dialog as M!Shepard does.

There was a lot of potential in the Jacob romance. In the conversation after his loyalty mission, Shepard and Jacob talk about the mission and whether or not they'll make it out alive. There's loads of potential there for Shepard and Jacob to form an emotional (and eventually, romantic) connection from that. Unfortunate that that wasn't utitlized. I might still do the Jacob romance for science though.
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I will also say that I went ahead and saw the bits and pieces of the Jacob romance on youtube (since I would have to do Mordins recruitment, Horizon, and Jacob's loyalty mission all over again if I wanted to do his romance).

First of all, the tone that F!Shepard takes is horrendous. It's off putting and distracting.

Secondly, Jacob's romance is not all that bad. I really liked that he let Shepard vent for a change. That's a pretty deal - and an opportunity to let your personal Shepard's personality show. You don't just get "I'm great/alright/not doing good," you get more specific things for Shepard to rant or vent about.

Of course, I really don't have much to say about the romance scene before the Omega 4 relay aside from what is obvious. Bad dialog. Bad, bad, bad.

But aside from that romance scene, Jacob himself for the most part handled himself well in the romance. There were a few things that I didn't like ("night in the commander" "we don't need words" etc) and he said "we've got a good thing Shepard" too many times. With a few tweaks, his romance could have been great. Coulda woulda shoulda though. Still wonder where his romance is going to go in ME3 however.

I think Jacob's got potiential too, but FemShep being a wanton predator towards Jacob is quite offputting, not just in Jacob's romance, but also for all the FemShep romances options. The only things that made FemShep predator mode more acceptable to me for Thane and Garrus was that Thane's romance had time to develop, while Garrus talked about the dirty deed, which made FemShep predatory mode more suitable.

Even though Kaidan's romance is a big meh (I'm not counting Liara since it's kind of creepy with announcing one's attraction after one convo), the FemShep interactions were not predatory in ME1, but rather teasing and light flirting, along with the time and space for it to develop.

[Festi]

^ I think the romances in ME1 were just better over all. Along with time to develope they were actually a part of the story. In ME2 I feel like there are this many conversations, the top option is clearly the romance option. I hardly knew I was getting into a romance in ME1 in ME2 it is so obvious and the lines for both M and F Shep don't help. People complain about how strong FSheps come-ons were but I find M-shep pretty creepy too. It seems as though they lost a smooth flow and made some choppy, generic formula. I'm pretty biased of course, I found the writing in ME1 much smoother and imersive overall. I think they also had the problem of spreading dialog so thing over so many characters in ME2. It makes it hard to weave all the romances and conversations into the main story well... not that there were really that many conversations... or much story... I liked ME2 but it seems like the criticism of Jacob often reflects holes in the game itself just manifested in a more visible way.

By which I mean things like Shepard's very blatant flirtation, lack of dialog outside of romance, lack of character development and involvement in the story. Etc. Clearly those are problems in JT's writing but to me they seem like problems everywhere else as well.

[Commissar Gash]

Festi wrote...

^ I think the romances in ME1 were just better over all. Along with time to develope they were actually a part of the story. In ME2 I feel like there are this many conversations, the top option is clearly the romance option. I hardly knew I was getting into a romance in ME1 in ME2 it is so obvious and the lines for both M and F Shep don't help. People complain about how strong FSheps come-ons were but I find M-shep pretty creepy too. It seems as though they lost a smooth flow and made some choppy, generic formula. I'm pretty biased of course, I found the writing in ME1 much smoother and imersive overall. I think they also had the problem of spreading dialog so thing over so many characters in ME2. It makes it hard to weave all the romances and conversations into the main story well... not that there were really that many conversations... or much story... I liked ME2 but it seems like the criticism of Jacob often reflects holes in the game itself just manifested in a more visible way.
By which I mean things like Shepard's very blatant flirtation, lack of dialog outside of romance, lack of character development and involvement in the story. Etc. Clearly those are problems in JT's writing but to me they seem like problems everywhere else as well.

"Me? Creepy?'

I agree with you Festi, you just knew whatyou were doing in ME2, I understand Sehpard had no sex in 2 years, but come on!

[Darc_Requiem]

Shavon wrote...

Hello, Gash! I will throw in my support, despite the fact that Jacob is hostile towards Thane when my beloved drell first enters the ship . . . . with a cute pic of Jacob!

Well Jacob just spent the last two years as head of security at the Lazarus Station. So it's natural for him to assess the risks of on coming crew members. It's part of the reason, along with being stationed on Eden Prime, that he acts so hostile towards Legions presence on the Normandy.

[Commissar Gash]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Hello, Gash! I will throw in my support, despite the fact that Jacob is hostile towards Thane when my beloved drell first enters the ship . . . . with a cute pic of Jacob!

Well Jacob just spent the last two years as head of security at the Lazarus Station. So it's natural for him to assess the risks of on coming crew members. It's part of the reason, along with being stationed on Eden Prime, that he acts so hostile towards Legions presence on the Normandy.

Shav was talking about Thane, not Legion, he just doesn't trust Thane cu he's an Assasin.

[RPGmom28]

Very cute screenshot. Thanks for posting it. I like the expression on his face.

[Festi]

Gash, this might make you laugh: http://social.biowar...5/index/2974371